Guild Wars 2

I did some pvp and encountered a staff elementalist (I’m d/d mobility survival, but can do 4-5k fire grabs, churning earths), and I couldn’t move his hp bar, no matter how much I pounded. Couldn’t stop him either, no cc worked. He was carrying the orb at spirit watch and just slowly walked toward the point without losing any hp.

I’m not quite familiar with all builds, but was this a famous bunker build?
Thanks!

Oh, and to add, he didn’t use any skills, was just sitting in water and hp kept regenerating very fast. Also, he was alone, I was alone.

Probs a bunker build.

I doubt you can reliably kill bunkers as a “mobility survival” user too.

Well, that’s weird.
Lately I started to use cleric set on sPvP. Toughness around 2.6k, healing powe ~1300. Regen from soothing mist and regeneration is somewhere around 430/s. Signet gives tad over 330health each attack at this point. But hell, 5k from fire grab + condition at this time. It’s not something you can outheal without doing anything.

fire grab is supposed to hit hard.

on dps builds it can hit for 10k.

Razor.6392:

fire grab is supposed to hit hard.

on dps builds it can hit for 10k.

This,

Are you sure he didn’t use any skills? I know i carry the orb all the time on my staff ele, but i use skills to often keep the enemy far behind me, but yeah i will say that i’ve never really had issues just shrugging off any damage that people throw at me, and if you’re only a survivability build, you’re going to have mediocre damage.

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

i LOLed at this but sad to say it’s pretty much true

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Very true. And gc d/d ele pretty much never wins unless against gc war.
Bunker d/d either wins or runs.
have yet to see any effective staff eles in spvp..

Raptured.9307:

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Very true. And gc d/d ele pretty much never wins unless against gc war.
Bunker d/d either wins or runs.
have yet to see any effective staff eles in spvp..

gc d/d eles are freaking destructive when they travel in packs xD one of my friends “new meta” builds (thats what he calls everything we run xD) was 5 eles, 4 d/d gc and a staff ele, the 4 d/d gc traveled in groups of 2 -most- of the time, because they are like freaking Slivers from Magic the Gathering…

Durzlla.6295:

Raptured.9307:

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Very true. And gc d/d ele pretty much never wins unless against gc war.
Bunker d/d either wins or runs.
have yet to see any effective staff eles in spvp..

gc d/d eles are freaking destructive when they travel in packs xD one of my friends “new meta” builds (thats what he calls everything we run xD) was 5 eles, 4 d/d gc and a staff ele, the 4 d/d gc traveled in groups of 2 -most- of the time, because they are like freaking Slivers from Magic the Gathering…

Ever seen a pack of gc mezzmers?

Windwalker.2047:

Durzlla.6295:

Raptured.9307:

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Very true. And gc d/d ele pretty much never wins unless against gc war.
Bunker d/d either wins or runs.
have yet to see any effective staff eles in spvp..

gc d/d eles are freaking destructive when they travel in packs xD one of my friends “new meta” builds (thats what he calls everything we run xD) was 5 eles, 4 d/d gc and a staff ele, the 4 d/d gc traveled in groups of 2 -most- of the time, because they are like freaking Slivers from Magic the Gathering…

Ever seen a pack of gc mezzmers?

^much scarier

Windwalker.2047:

Durzlla.6295:

Raptured.9307:

Lavadiel.6231:

there is simple rure in this game:
1v1:
tank cant kill tank – endless battle
gc cant kill tank, tank wins
gc vs gc – messmer wins

2v2 and 3v3. ..4v4…5v5
2/3/4/5 gc wins vs 2/3/4/5 tanks

that is because in this game GC complement each other while tanks and especially condi builds does not combine so well… and that is why chiftain ninjas (DPS oriented PT build) owns so hard any tank PT in pvp.

Very true. And gc d/d ele pretty much never wins unless against gc war.
Bunker d/d either wins or runs.
have yet to see any effective staff eles in spvp..

gc d/d eles are freaking destructive when they travel in packs xD one of my friends “new meta” builds (thats what he calls everything we run xD) was 5 eles, 4 d/d gc and a staff ele, the 4 d/d gc traveled in groups of 2 -most- of the time, because they are like freaking Slivers from Magic the Gathering…

Ever seen a pack of gc mezzmers?

I won’t get into whether mesmers are OP or not, but fighting against several GC mesmers at once (with my teammates) is one of the most fruitless things I’ve ever done in an MMO.

It’s completely inappropriate =P

The thing is that out of gc classes, Mesmers and thieves reign (and gc guard if u can consider that gc as well). Theyre the standard spvp meta nowadays. You should always expect gc thieves and Mesmers to be on the other team and know how to deal with them should they come at you. This means not rolling a gc class that collapses under their pressure, or rolling a bunker.

mesmers are ridiculously OP. I find it ridiculous how both mesmers and guardians have been universally accepted as balanced by now.

I don’t think many people seriously accept Mesmers as balanced. It’s just that they’re there and that’s the product of ‘balancing’. Ive seen mesmers on the mesmer and spvp forums argue for them being balanced, but imo they do so out of ignorance of the other classed or are arguing to prevent them from being nerfed, since they roll mesmers and want to keep facerolling. After rolling a mesmer in spvp- and having tried both staff bunker and gc greatsword/ s/p – im even more thoroughly convinced that this is the case (they’re pretending to accept them as balanced for personal reasons, as cynical as the thought may be). People simply accept their existence – and since they are pretty powerful- a lot of people are rolling one or rolling their counterbuilds- gc thieves or bunkers. IMO the spvp meta revolves around Mesmers because of their abundance, and it is also because of that abundance of such an effective class/build that learning how to spot the real Mesmer Is one of the first things you learn as an spvper… Otherwise you might never be able to kill them even when they’re downed and they can and will take you down in seconds

Imo it was also of how well they counter gc Mesmers (and unfortunately every other class and build as well so they got leverage) that the mesmer community pushed hard for a bunker d/d nerf. now to make things more balanced, they need to be nerfed as well.

Well, since you guys hijacked the thread in favor of Messmer talk, whatever happened to the old adage, kill the real messmer? Past threads have favored this strat. Simply put a target above his head and take him down? Obviously if one cant do that quickly he will get in alot of hits, but seems to me every messmer I have seen turns and runs whenever I have blown by his clones or whatever on RTL and gone straight for him. Granted, I am not an expert.

When a Mesmer has a staff or decoy even If you go for the right one there is a very good chance you end up killing the wrong one midway through because he switched. With his clone. Same with sword 3. With the immortal mes build a mes can just stand next to his phantasm and your aoes will be a burden when you hit the illusions as well as the mes, which procs retaliation. Or if traited, theyll proc a random condition pn you when they die. The time spent on killing clones also equals more time for the mesmer to attack uou and skills against you without damage. On the other hand the more clones,illusions the mesmer has on the field, the more he can heal, use them for daze, invincibility, shatter in your face, stack conditions on you, etc. It is really a lose lose situation, but your best bet is to burst the Mesmer down asap when you can see him, and clear his clones at a distance when you cannot (and move to a different position from where you fought). It is very tough to deal with a good Mesmer who conserves his clones wisely and disappears timely to heal/ save up a burst from a more advantageous position. Combine all those scary skills with a low cool down and you have the monstrosity that we call mesmer.

Because everything you do Against a Mesmer can be lose-lose, there is no set strategy against the mesmer unless you know his build well. But even against a staff bunker mesmer, everything that you do against him in a 1v1 can be bad for you (and a good bunker mesmer will make it so). It is because of that to this date, I have yet to lose in a 1v1 as a staff bunker Mesmer to anything other than other Mesmers/thieves that catch me off guard – not because of my skill but ranted by the opness of the class/build.

You have something quite scary on your hands when the best option in engagement is to run away (all classes/ builds for bunker Mesmer much like bunker eles prepatch buy even scarier, and gc classes for gc thieves)

omg, from the wiki, never knew:

When retaliation is applied to a character they will occasionally shout out one of the following lines, depending on their race and gender.
Race Gender
Female Male
Asura “Go ahead, hit me!” “Feedback loop initiated.”
Charr “Retaliation incoming!” “Go ahead, hit me!”
Human “Pain for pain!” “Go ahead, hit me!”
Norn “Come on, hit me! I’ll hit back.” “I’ll return the favor!”
Sylvari “This rose has thorns, and here they are!” “I dare you, hit me.”

Elementals definately need this retaliation!

Ty, Raptured, for that explanation.

Yw! While guardians are typically the class that specs retal (which when combined with immense defense and healing is very powerful), Mesmers may have it too. For an ele should you choose to engage a Mesmer, keep immobilize, cripple, and knockdowns on him. Mesmers are not the most defensive class, and immobilizing a Mesmer hurts them a lot(can’t avoid damage, cannot dodge to summon clones, decoy does not remove condition BUT blink moves the Mesmer away.). Dodge or mist form his illusion summons to prevent summons and waste his cd, and you got this in the bag though all this is not easy by any means.

Note Mesmers cannot summon clones when there is no target, which is why thieves are so important to the anti Mesmer meta