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Posted by: zencow.3651

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAodhMmibsR3gjEAUBBFHgw4BIiQS9wMA-ToAg2CuIuRdj7GzNybs3M6YuA

http://youtu.be/gysAUPrILo8
http://youtu.be/Zu-JkC6Zhoc

Notables:
- Fire shields and Signet of Fire allows you to maintain burning outside of Fire Attune and keep the warrior burning through Cleansing Ire.
- Perma protection can be achieved through spamming all signets and the weapon skill auras on CD, but in reality is not constantly needed since you have other countermeasures.
- Due to above point, will out-last power-based build.
- Signet of Air isn’t that bad, 24 CD stunbreak makes it the with the lowest CD SB in game.

Observed Weaknesses:
- Not as much dodges as regular ele bunkers.
- No heal on demand from 15 Water and 30 Arcana
- Due to high toughness and perma-protection you won’t need it the above when fighting power-based builds since the Soothing Mist, Regen from water attune/dwayna and Signet of Resto’s Active+Passive will easily outheal and damage taken but:
- Condi builds. Condi Engis and Condi Rangers are less of an issue due to Swirling Winds but Condi Necroes and Condi mesmers counters this build hard. And you certainly won’t outlast a Condi warrior. The Ice Elemental’s 6570 HP can help you alot against condis in general.

In closing, the Rock Solid 0/0/20/20/30 approach better for bunkering be you clerics or shaman, but this is the only build that I’ve played around with that could kill a warrior. It also makes back-stab thieves a walk in the park but SD thieves are the real threat in sPvP anyway. Again nice for hot-joins, even the standard bunker build can’t handle the condis of this meta so this is far from viable outside of 1v1ing the builds it was made to counter.

I wish Eles were more one-build-fits-all like it used to be instead of having to build so specifically for what you want to kill and suck at everything else… so much for versatility >.>

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“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”

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Posted by: Erebus.7568

Erebus.7568

no vids
espected to see some show off, of how good it was with that title :/

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Posted by: Zeon.8239

Zeon.8239

All you really need is mainhand scepter/well timed dodges to avoid their stuns, setup for a burst so that they waste their defensive resources, and then stay well aware of your cooldowns while surviving long enough to be able to setup your burst again.

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Posted by: zencow.3651

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All you really need is mainhand scepter/well timed dodges to avoid their stuns, setup for a burst so that they waste their defensive resources, and then stay well aware of your cooldowns while surviving long enough to be able to setup your burst again.

I agree, burst ele is the only way to go in this meta.

You still don’t want to get caught 1v1ing tho. At best, if you land Dragon’s Tooth -> Phoenix and Air Spike+double arcane it only takes of 75% of their health (borderline OP for ganking). You have to then survive for the next 20 seconds to spike the remaining 50% after Heal Signet gets the warrior back up and there’s just so much room for error.

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Has anyone tried sigil of doom instead of energy/battle?

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Posted by: Zeon.8239

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All you really need is mainhand scepter/well timed dodges to avoid their stuns, setup for a burst so that they waste their defensive resources, and then stay well aware of your cooldowns while surviving long enough to be able to setup your burst again.

I agree, burst ele is the only way to go in this meta.

You still don’t want to get caught 1v1ing tho. At best, if you land Dragon’s Tooth -> Phoenix and Air Spike+double arcane it only takes of 75% of their health (borderline OP for ganking). You have to then survive for the next 20 seconds to spike the remaining 50% after Heal Signet gets the warrior back up and there’s just so much room for error.

There’s a burst build that enables you to do 90-100% of the typical warrior’s HP with the DT + Phoenix + air spike + double Arcane combo, but that build has even less survivability than the standard 0/30/0/10/30 burst spec, so if they use any stunbreak or endure pain then you’re practically dead. Not really efficient for 1v1, although it’s really fun sometimes in teamfights with good positioning and well-timed bursts (tPvP).

I feel like the standard S/D burst spec is very strong in 1v1 against warriors however; with a bit of practice and luck/timing you should be able to pull it off. I’m not sure about D/D, though.

Has anyone tried sigil of doom instead of energy/battle?

I’ve tried it out on duel servers for testing, and honestly the uptime of the poison is too small to really make a difference. Combine that with the fact that energy is so much more useful in 90% of the other situations, and with the fact that it’s very nice to have extra endurance in case you used your blind on the wrong attack; I would say doom is subpar in comparison.

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Posted by: zencow.3651

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Has anyone tried sigil of doom instead of energy/battle?

It’s what I use for this build. Generally all other bunkers use it to kill other bunkers, only ele is pigeonholed to sigil of battle/energy due to low damage/necessity to dodge.

no vids
espected to see some show off, of how good it was with that title :/

Heres some footage
Most warriors are like this: http://youtu.be/gysAUPrILo8
Hence we see why baddies claim warriors don’t need a nerf since they don’t actually use the meta warrior builds. This once lacked Cleansing Ire.

vs decent meta warrior: http://youtu.be/Zu-JkC6Zhoc
Yawn-fest. Lag started kicking as you can see at 19 seconds in so I couldn’t play that well. Would’ve been faster if Aegis/blocks weren’t always up by the time gale/signet of fire finally responded etc.

I can’t record and beat the top-dog warriors at the same time or I’d just eat every stun.

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“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”

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Posted by: Fuzzion.2504

Fuzzion.2504

Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

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Posted by: zencow.3651

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Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

One does not simply ignore warriors in circle wars.

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Posted by: Erebus.7568

Erebus.7568

Has anyone tried sigil of doom instead of energy/battle?

It’s what I use for this build. Generally all other bunkers use it to kill other bunkers, only ele is pigeonholed to sigil of battle/energy due to low damage/necessity to dodge.

no vids
espected to see some show off, of how good it was with that title :/

Heres some footage
Most warriors are like this: http://youtu.be/gysAUPrILo8
Hence we see why baddies claim warriors don’t need a nerf since they don’t actually use the meta warrior builds. This once lacked Cleansing Ire.

vs decent meta warrior: http://youtu.be/Zu-JkC6Zhoc
Yawn-fest. Lag started kicking as you can see at 19 seconds in so I couldn’t play that well. Would’ve been faster if Aegis/blocks weren’t always up by the time gale/signet of fire finally responded etc.

I can’t record and beat the top-dog warriors at the same time or I’d just eat every stun.

any vid against a half decent war that doesnt miss 60%+ of his stuns/burst becouse he simply sucks? (60%+ of his stuns/burst he uses out into tin air, no dodge or defensive used to negate them, he simply just use them without being close enough or facing the target.. its really sad to see…)
else it doesnt really show much and i would still say vs a decent stun war you got 0 chance to win.

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Posted by: zencow.3651

zencow.3651

any vid against a half decent war that doesnt miss 60%+ of his stuns/burst becouse he simply sucks? (60%+ of his stuns/burst he uses out into tin air, no dodge or defensive used to negate them, he simply just use them without being close enough or facing the target.. its really sad to see…)
else it doesnt really show much and i would still say vs a decent stun war you got 0 chance to win.

Find me one and I’ll see what I can do. The second vid was one of the better warriors I’ve found after searching all day.

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“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”

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Posted by: Erebus.7568

Erebus.7568

any vid against a half decent war that doesnt miss 60%+ of his stuns/burst becouse he simply sucks? (60%+ of his stuns/burst he uses out into tin air, no dodge or defensive used to negate them, he simply just use them without being close enough or facing the target.. its really sad to see…)
else it doesnt really show much and i would still say vs a decent stun war you got 0 chance to win.

Find me one and I’ll see what I can do. The second vid was one of the better warriors I’ve found after searching all day.

thats choking, maybe they just kinda suck then :P

anyway ty for the vids, its nice to see the fight. feels kinda like seeing a full bunker build fight though (takes forever) ^^

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Posted by: MyPuppy.8970

MyPuppy.8970

That makes me want to share some vids too, dunno if my hardware could endure it though.

I would have bursted (well great word for a tanky ele) him while under invulnerability, chilled him then interrupt his next rotation, and burst him again: he had neither protection nor stability at that moment. It’s what i do usually, but it’s easier to say it with perspective. My fingers sometimes slip with fury, picking up kittenin banners in middle of a fight, going left instead of dodging forward, or stupid stuff like that. I’m so clumsy, my worst ennemy is no doubt myself.

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Posted by: dante.2864

dante.2864

How to beat stun warriors before they even react.

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Posted by: Fuzzion.2504

Fuzzion.2504

Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

One does not simply ignore warriors in circle wars.

What circle?

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Posted by: zencow.3651

zencow.3651

Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

One does not simply ignore warriors in circle wars.

What circle?

The capture points.

How to beat stun warriors before they even react.

There’s a 20% chance that the warrior isn’t absolutely terrible and block/dodges as he sees the earthquake animation though. Or you simply suffer from critfail/Warrior is using Defy Pain and not Spiked Armor and then you’d have to hope that Updraft/Phoenix lands.

Plus I prefer s/f for not getting pew pewed on by rangers/engies.

Quasi-elitist dungeoneer and missing Gw1 GvGs greatly.
“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

CMstorm.8679

Has anyone tried sigil of doom instead of energy/battle?

It’s what I use for this build. Generally all other bunkers use it to kill other bunkers, only ele is pigeonholed to sigil of battle/energy due to low damage/necessity to dodge.

no vids
espected to see some show off, of how good it was with that title :/

Heres some footage
Most warriors are like this: http://youtu.be/gysAUPrILo8
Hence we see why baddies claim warriors don’t need a nerf since they don’t actually use the meta warrior builds. This once lacked Cleansing Ire.

vs decent meta warrior: http://youtu.be/Zu-JkC6Zhoc
Yawn-fest. Lag started kicking as you can see at 19 seconds in so I couldn’t play that well. Would’ve been faster if Aegis/blocks weren’t always up by the time gale/signet of fire finally responded etc.

I can’t record and beat the top-dog warriors at the same time or I’d just eat every stun.

I loved that 2nd vid. that was pretty intense. gj!

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

CMstorm.8679

Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

One does not simply ignore warriors in circle wars.

What circle?

The capture points.

How to beat stun warriors before they even react.

There’s a 20% chance that the warrior isn’t absolutely terrible and block/dodges as he sees the earthquake animation though. Or you simply suffer from critfail/Warrior is using Defy Pain and not Spiked Armor and then you’d have to hope that Updraft/Phoenix lands.

Plus I prefer s/f for not getting pew pewed on by rangers/engies.

omg…that insta kill

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

CMstorm.8679

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAodhMmibsR3gjEAUBBFHgw4BIiQS9wMA-ToAg2CuIuRdj7GzNybs3M6YuA

http://youtu.be/gysAUPrILo8
http://youtu.be/Zu-JkC6Zhoc

Notables:
- Fire shields and Signet of Fire allows you to maintain burning outside of Fire Attune and keep the warrior burning through Cleansing Ire.
- Perma protection can be achieved through spamming all signets and the weapon skill auras on CD, but in reality is not constantly needed since you have other countermeasures.
- Due to above point, will out-last power-based build.
- Signet of Air isn’t that bad, 24 CD stunbreak makes it the with the lowest CD SB in game.

Observed Weaknesses:
- Not as much dodges as regular ele bunkers.
- No heal on demand from 15 Water and 30 Arcana
- Due to high toughness and perma-protection you won’t need it the above when fighting power-based builds since the Soothing Mist, Regen from water attune/dwayna and Signet of Resto’s Active+Passive will easily outheal and damage taken but:
- Condi builds. Condi Engis and Condi Rangers are less of an issue due to Swirling Winds but Condi Necroes and Condi mesmers counters this build hard. And you certainly won’t outlast a Condi warrior. The Ice Elemental’s 6570 HP can help you alot against condis in general.

In closing, the Rock Solid 0/0/20/20/30 approach better for bunkering be you clerics or shaman, but this is the only build that I’ve played around with that could kill a warrior. It also makes back-stab thieves a walk in the park but SD thieves are the real threat in sPvP anyway. Again nice for hot-joins, even the standard bunker build can’t handle the condis of this meta so this is far from viable outside of 1v1ing the builds it was made to counter.

I wish Eles were more one-build-fits-all like it used to be instead of having to build so specifically for what you want to kill and suck at everything else… so much for versatility >.>

Wow, that first vid was simply orange but really that looked too easy

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

CMstorm.8679

Stun warriors hate FGS. Also i found it more efficient not to bother with stun warriors. Then again im pure wvw and no jack about spvp.

One does not simply ignore warriors in circle wars.

What circle?

The capture points.

How to beat stun warriors before they even react.

There’s a 20% chance that the warrior isn’t absolutely terrible and block/dodges as he sees the earthquake animation though. Or you simply suffer from critfail/Warrior is using Defy Pain and not Spiked Armor and then you’d have to hope that Updraft/Phoenix lands.

Plus I prefer s/f for not getting pew pewed on by rangers/engies.

omg…that insta kill

what about if you did dragons tooth, earthquake then halfway thru earthquake, teleport @ target and swap to air, arcane wave+arcane blast and RTL/lightning strike all within like 1-2 tops like in dat vid… im still flabbergasted at that burst…

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Posted by: zencow.3651

zencow.3651

what about if you did dragons tooth, earthquake then halfway thru earthquake, teleport @ target and swap to air, arcane wave+arcane blast and RTL/lightning strike all within like 1-2 tops like in dat vid… im still flabbergasted at that burst…

1. You want to save Fire Attunement for Phoenix in case the spike falls short for any reason.
2. You’d likely miss out on Hurl since Stone Barrier only last 15 seconds so will only have a short time window before it runs out by the time Earth Attune’s back off recharge.
3. The opponent will likely walk out of DT anyway, combined with the loss of dps from point 2 and safety net of point 1 you open yourself to more risks.

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

CMstorm.8679

How many rocks does rock barrier hurl? is it 5? or 6? and i didn’t see that he used it, but i guess that would be smart to do. I so wanna try that. What if you could teleport allies with lightning flash?

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Posted by: zencow.3651

zencow.3651

How many rocks does rock barrier hurl? is it 5? or 6? and i didn’t see that he used it, but i guess that would be smart to do. I so wanna try that. What if you could teleport allies with lightning flash?

5 Rocks. In total it does more damage than a Lightning Strike. You’d see him using it if you watch it again closely.

From what I can see dante’s build is either 30/30/10/0/0 or 20/30/20/0/0. Sigil of Geomancer and Sigil of Force.

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Posted by: dante.2864

dante.2864

How many rocks does rock barrier hurl? is it 5? or 6? and i didn’t see that he used it, but i guess that would be smart to do. I so wanna try that. What if you could teleport allies with lightning flash?

5 Rocks. In total it does more damage than a Lightning Strike. You’d see him using it if you watch it again closely.

From what I can see dante’s build is either 30/30/10/0/0 or 20/30/20/0/0. Sigil of Geomancer and Sigil of Force.

Its 25-30-10-0-5 and acording to my tests its the highest burst build you can make, hitting for up to 25k hp on a 2600 armor target.

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Posted by: zencow.3651

zencow.3651

How many rocks does rock barrier hurl? is it 5? or 6? and i didn’t see that he used it, but i guess that would be smart to do. I so wanna try that. What if you could teleport allies with lightning flash?

5 Rocks. In total it does more damage than a Lightning Strike. You’d see him using it if you watch it again closely.

From what I can see dante’s build is either 30/30/10/0/0 or 20/30/20/0/0. Sigil of Geomancer and Sigil of Force.

Its 25-30-10-0-5 and acording to my tests its the highest burst build you can make, hitting for up to 25k hp on a 2600 armor target.

I see, I forgot about the fury :P

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