Guild Wars 2

This is the dumbest post I’ve ever seen.

A person calling burning weak trololol

Insanity , eles can literally cook you with Drake’s Breath RoF or BS and mind you they are never usually condition dmg…and burning is weak? :|

burn damage is weak due to it stacking in duration rather than intensity. just like poison is weak because it stacks in duration (it still serves the point of reducing healing effectiveness but it’s not all that useful for damage)

Devildoc.6721:

burn damage is weak due to it stacking in duration rather than intensity. just like poison is weak because it stacks in duration (it still serves the point of reducing healing effectiveness but it’s not all that useful for damage)

Stacked burn damage is not weak, nor is stacked poison for the reason you mentioned. If you do not work to shed either, you will die an untimely and unpleasant death.

Burning is so weak that it does the same damage as 7 stacks of bleed. In a single application.
And poison is so weak that it negates 33% of your healing.

Yeah, duration based conditions are weak

/sarcasm

I starting to believe everyone who comes to forums and make such posts fill idioacy like this one that they fried their brains prior to creating , and the ones agreeing are completely fried themselves.

CETheLucid.3964:

Devildoc.6721:

burn damage is weak due to it stacking in duration rather than intensity. just like poison is weak because it stacks in duration (it still serves the point of reducing healing effectiveness but it’s not all that useful for damage)

Stacked burn damage is not weak, nor is stacked poison for the reason you mentioned. If you do not work to shed either, you will die an untimely and unpleasant death.

Say you have 1500 condition damage (you have some stacks of might say), you stack burning on me 25 times all at once. I cleanse it after 2s. I take 1406 damage total from the 2 ticks.

You stack 25 bleeding on me, I cleanse it after 2s, I take 5875 damage by the time I got it cleared.

Stacking duration also allows me to mitigate damage by using condition duration reduction food and runes (-65% duration)

Stacking duration relies on playing against idiots to do any real damage.

You are using two extremes to validate your point, but it doesn’t work in a pvp scenario. If anyone allows you to get 25 stacks of any condition on them, then they must have AFK’d.

That being said, as Shar stated, it takes 7-8 stacks of bleed for there to be any noticeable between burning and bleeding.

Yes, at some point bleed stacks will surpass burning in damage—provided that you are able to stack a considerable number of them. That is, however, a very unlikely situation for an elementalist. That is more likely to happen for other professions ( like a bleed thief).

Devildoc.6721:

Say you have 1500 condition damage (you have some stacks of might say), you stack burning on me 25 times all at once. I cleanse it after 2s. I take 1406 damage total from the 2 ticks.

You stack 25 bleeding on me, I cleanse it after 2s, I take 5875 damage by the time I got it cleared.

Stacking duration also allows me to mitigate damage by using condition duration reduction food and runes (-65% duration)

Stacking duration relies on playing against idiots to do any real damage.

The problem with your example is that there’s no way to stack 25 bleeds in the same time frame as it’d take to apply a burn. Realistically you should compare 6 bleeds (which are one of the higher bleed stack abilities) to 1 burn.

Or provide a complete example with all variables mentioned (abilities used, burn duration, bleed duration/time, etc).

Asurmir.7956:

You are using two extremes to validate your point, but it doesn’t work in a pvp scenario. If anyone allows you to get 25 stacks of any condition on them, then they must have AFK’d.

That being said, as Shar stated, it takes 7-8 stacks of bleed for there to be any noticeable between burning and bleeding.

Yes, at some point bleed stacks will surpass burning in damage—provided that you are able to stack a considerable number of them. That is, however, a very unlikely situation for an elementalist. That is more likely to happen for other professions ( like a bleed thief).

It can and does happen in Zerg vs Zerg, though likely if you have gotten enough skills on you to get up to 25 stacks you’re probably dead anyway.

But in zerg vs zerg, cleansing bleeding is of much higher priority than burning, confusion is higher than bleeding (and it also stacks intensity)

As you’ve said, yes, it can happen in Zerg vs Zerg. Also, as you’ve said, if you’ve been under fire long enough to receive 25 stacks, then you are probably dead anyway.

However, just because bleeds seem more potent in Zerg vs Zerg, doesn’t mean that it wins in damage on the regular. This is mainly because not all combat consists of zergs duking it out for a keep.

Confusion and Bleeds work best when they can be stacked to the cap; this is best accomplished when around others who can cast the same condition on the same target.

Burns and Poisons work best against single targets and small groups. Where you can’t always rely on someone else to keep the stacks up.

A hidden bonus of long duration conditions is they keep people in combat longer provided their cleanses are on CD.

It makes it more challenging to reset a fight.

Being poisoned or burning when my cleanses are on cooldown is horrifying.