Guild Wars 2

Whomever is in charge of the Elementalist class you need to quit your job, your by far the worst Developer in this game. I am not trying to be rude, just stating the obvious. Any class that can’t hit for high burst damage and wears the worst armor in the game can’t succeed in PvP. Any class that has to wait for its AoE damage spells to work is ill conceived and totally meant to fail. I am not the best player in the game, nor am I the worst. I play other classes Thief, Ranger, Warrior, and Guardian and although their hard to perfect I have not had the issues with damage that I have with the Elementalist class.

If this was an effort on all the Developers part (the Elementalist class) then shame on you all.

Lets start with pets, unless you have like 5 pets like Necro’s and Mesmer’s [same concept as a pet] then their a waste. I know that thieves have a good pet set up (you get 2) but they’re the exceptions.

Conjured weapons, now there is a mega fail idea. You can’t use any other spells with a conjured weapon, you only get like 10 (or whatever) charges and then they are gone. I could see conjured weapons being useful but only if they increased your attunement options for as long as you had the elite spell up.

AoE condition damage, well as most know AoE’s are not very good for PvP. You need to be with a group for them to make much of a difference they can be use as an assist in solo but relying on AoE in PvP is a waste. As an Elementalist your good AoE take like 2 to 3 seconds to even go off. so running is not an option unless your using a staff then anyone can dodge your AoE bleed because it takes so long to cast.

I could go on for hours but, I have other better things to do with my time. I know that others can come up with many other ideas that are better than my own in this post. And I hope they do, I moreover just want to thank you for wasting 70 plus hours of my life leveling my Elementalist just to see it be a giant fail.

PS I figure that you will delete this post just because you can’t handle criticism about your job. I am sorry that you can’t do your job well.

Elementalist has great damage in D/D. Updraft -> Burning speed -> Ring of Fire -> Arcane Wave -> Fire Grab can top 25k damage before your opponent gets up from the knockback. Staff is not a single target DPS weapon. The sooner people accept that, the happier they will be.

Conjures suck, except situational use of the bow for gravling mounds and the hammer for spamming auto attack for blind.

The pets are actually kind of nice. My tanky S/D condition build whips out 2 fire eles and uses them to stack might with their blast finishers and they add about 300 DPS for the lesser and 500-600 for the elite depending on which skills it uses.

Ele damage is basically all AoE and it’s all quite good. We do as much damage with AoE attacks as other classes can with single target. Burning speed, ring of fire, fire grab, phoenix, earthquake, etc. are all reasonably fast casting and hit for good damage.

Ele has some problems right now, but damage isn’t one of them. Mostly it’s weak trait lines outside of water and earth with little utility or survival, long cooldowns and awkward mechanics on some of our abilities like dragon’s tooth and phoenix.

Try speccing 30 water with D/D and you will enjoy the class much more.

I will have to disagree with the OP. lately I’m trying to see how weird of a build I have to come up with to finally be useless….its surprising.

seraphenslaved.6235:

I will have to disagree with the OP. lately I’m trying to see how weird of a build I have to come up with to finally be useless….its surprising.

I think everyone went through the stage where they felt underpowered and overwhelmed by the class. You sit there pew pewing with your little stick pecking away at something’s health while other classes mow things down and you just wonder what is wrong with your damage. Then you put it all together and it’s like :

<NSFW> mild profanity/violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91rPIq2mN4

The major problem that most people have with elementalists is typically situated between the chair and the keyboard.

^ Don’t think the problem is necessarily with the people, but I don’t think ele sucks either. Thing is, it’s a difficult class in an environment of easy-peasy ones, playing elementalist isn’t always a joyride, add that to a few bugs and nerfs here and there and people will have some fair reasons to complain. My suggestion is for you to get to know the class better, look for guides and etc… That’s what I did in the beggining and now I find myself very often being the top player of a match, doing good at dungeons, etc..

Ima leave this here

http://youtu.be/8BDQGDELcUk

ele hitting firegrab for 13k

Solori.6025:

Ima leave this here

http://youtu.be/8BDQGDELcUk

ele hitting firegrab for 13k

That was classic. Ive never seen damage on it for more than 8k. That Ele’s build must be very high crit.

I find it funny that OP is complaining about elementalist burst.

And the next thread is a video with an elementalist bursting for 27k in 2 seconds, highest burst in the game by far.

Burst damage doesnt kill elemtalist. Elem CAN burst like a crazy.
Burst in general in PUG sPvP doest kill however every build that is not PURE burst or PURE tank (but thats not just for Elem).

There is also a real question on Thieves status since with dodge roll and stealth they can run absolute glass canon builds without much risk of being killed.

boozer.7815:

Solori.6025:

Ima leave this here

http://youtu.be/8BDQGDELcUk

ele hitting firegrab for 13k

That was classic. Ive never seen damage on it for more than 8k. That Ele’s build must be very high crit.

My personal best is about 9k… I am running a 20 30 0 0 20 build though. The person in that video is running something like 30 30 10 0 0 or 30 30 0 10 0. I know 0 arcane because of the 15 second cooldown on attunements. I would shoot for the 30 30 10 0 0 build though, because the Earthquake may have +10% dmg, air +20% to players knocked down + 20% to those under 25% life, +10% in air, Power Plus Might for each fire spell, +10% damage, +5% to burning targets.

That is only a guess, but that seems to be accurate. He may also be using Might on Weapon swap sigils, as I see him get 9 stacks of might without combo fields. So i’d say 2 sigils of battle. He is definitely 30 air, because his target becomes vulnerable on crit, meaning another 10% damage boost.

Hope this helps you to see what happened in that video…

What you are not seeing: If the thief wasn’t afk and responded with a Evade based attack, teleport, etc, Ele would have died in 2 – 3 hits. Basically 5 buttons less than what the Ele had to use.

Caffynated.5713:

Elementalist has great damage in D/D. Updraft -> Burning speed -> Ring of Fire -> Arcane Wave -> Fire Grab can top 25k damage before your opponent gets up from the knockback. Staff is not a single target DPS weapon. The sooner people accept that, the happier they will be.

Conjures suck, except situational use of the bow for gravling mounds and the hammer for spamming auto attack for blind.

The pets are actually kind of nice. My tanky S/D condition build whips out 2 fire eles and uses them to stack might with their blast finishers and they add about 300 DPS for the lesser and 500-600 for the elite depending on which skills it uses.

Ele damage is basically all AoE and it’s all quite good. We do as much damage with AoE attacks as other classes can with single target. Burning speed, ring of fire, fire grab, phoenix, earthquake, etc. are all reasonably fast casting and hit for good damage.

Ele has some problems right now, but damage isn’t one of them. Mostly it’s weak trait lines outside of water and earth with little utility or survival, long cooldowns and awkward mechanics on some of our abilities like dragon’s tooth and phoenix.

Try speccing 30 water with D/D and you will enjoy the class much more.

Okay I’m really really tired of people claiming to know what type of “dps” x or y adds do you have a dps meter? If so please post a screenie of it. Btw last time I checked fire ele from greater and lesser do the same dmg >_> please don’t spew lies it only weakens our class as a whole.

CyanideRayne.2413:

last time I checked fire ele from greater and lesser do the same dmg >_> please don’t spew lies it only weakens our class as a whole.

Then you’d better check again, because the (greater) Fire Elemental does more damage than the Lesser Fire Elemental. Also, the Fire Elemental has an AoE attack that the lesser one doesn’t.

There’s a big difference between the small and big elementals, but seeing as how you called them useless to begin with, I doubt you ever really paid attention to what they do. Maybe they become more interesting when you notice that their auto attacks deal roughly as much damage as the Elementalist’s own?

boozer.7815:

Solori.6025:

Ima leave this here

http://youtu.be/8BDQGDELcUk

ele hitting firegrab for 13k

That was classic. Ive never seen damage on it for more than 8k. That Ele’s build must be very high crit.

He’s getting 20% extra damage on knockdowned foes (and a 10% increase cause his hp is greater than 90%).

Dolores.5471:

^ Don’t think the problem is necessarily with the people, but I don’t think ele sucks either. Thing is, it’s a difficult class in an environment of easy-peasy ones, playing elementalist isn’t always a joyride, add that to a few bugs and nerfs here and there and people will have some fair reasons to complain. My suggestion is for you to get to know the class better, look for guides and etc… That’s what I did in the beggining and now I find myself very often being the top player of a match, doing good at dungeons, etc..

Yeah, I’m doing great with my Ele as well. What I meant by my previous post was that a lot of people don’t do well with Ele, and they just blame the class for being bad.

If they did what you suggest instead, and tried to just become better players, they would find that Ele is actually a really good class.

Thom.1862:

Any class that can’t hit for high burst damage and wears the worst armor in the game can’t succeed in PvP.

But I succeed just fine, in fact much better than what I could ever manage to do on my necro in PvP. I don’t want to brag, really, but I have to point out that most burst classes are absolute fodder for a well played Ele, especially in a 1v1 situation.

It is true that currently we are limited in builds, and we have a somewhat higher learning curve on top of that. We need some love, but to say the class as a whole is borked is a big overstatement.

Otaur.9268:

My personal best is about 9k… I am running a 20 30 0 0 20 build though. The person in that video is running something like 30 30 10 0 0 or 30 30 0 10 0. I know 0 arcane because of the 15 second cooldown on attunements. I would shoot for the 30 30 10 0 0 build though, because the Earthquake may have +10% dmg, air +20% to players knocked down + 20% to those under 25% life, +10% in air, Power Plus Might for each fire spell, +10% damage, +5% to burning targets.

That is only a guess, but that seems to be accurate. He may also be using Might on Weapon swap sigils, as I see him get 9 stacks of might without combo fields. So i’d say 2 sigils of battle. He is definitely 30 air, because his target becomes vulnerable on crit, meaning another 10% damage boost.

Hope this helps you to see what happened in that video…

/agree. Isn’t it amazing what an Ele can do if played properly? Someone posted that other “oh kitten” video above and they are right — Its amazing what an Ele can do if you actually LISTEN to people that know the class better than you!

Maybe if the people that come on these forums spend as much time actually LEARNING the class instead of wasting the time posting they might actually see that like the rest of us do.

Caffynated.5713:

seraphenslaved.6235:

I will have to disagree with the OP. lately I’m trying to see how weird of a build I have to come up with to finally be useless….its surprising.

I think everyone went through the stage where they felt underpowered and overwhelmed by the class. You sit there pew pewing with your little stick pecking away at something’s health while other classes mow things down and you just wonder what is wrong with your damage. Then you put it all together and it’s like :

<NSFW> mild profanity/violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91rPIq2mN4

It’s true.

OP just pointing out a mistake in your thread title; shouldn’t it read:

“Burst is king so PvP Elementalist FTW”

?

Bsquared.3421:

boozer.7815:

Solori.6025:

Ima leave this here

http://youtu.be/8BDQGDELcUk

ele hitting firegrab for 13k

That was classic. Ive never seen damage on it for more than 8k. That Ele’s build must be very high crit.

He’s getting 20% extra damage on knockdowned foes (and a 10% increase cause his hp is greater than 90%).

also bolt to the heart, extra damage while foe is below certain hp amount.

That 13K firegrab is rather excessive and pointless. As the traits that lead into it require the target to be

1. under 25% hp
2. Knocked down or stunned
3. You at over 90% hp (Both the runes and the water trait)

At which point said enemy is probably quite kittened anyway ;p

Also this combo relies on your opponent not reacting at all during the entire time. No rolls, no stability, ETC. Hell if you tried this on my ele, the second I dropped below 50% hp my earths embrace kicks in and I can roll away even if I was knocked down as I dropped. Or I could activate one of my 3 utilities and lol. Im fairly certain most other classes have similar traits based around either hp percentages, or being stunned/knocked down.

This combo while hilarious to see is practically useless against anything short of an afk/braindead opponent. o.o

Yasha.5963:

OP just pointing out a mistake in your thread title; shouldn’t it read:

“Burst is king so PvP Elementalist FTW”

?

It’s not opposite day.

Aether McLoud.1975:

Yasha.5963:

OP just pointing out a mistake in your thread title; shouldn’t it read:

“Burst is king so PvP Elementalist FTW”

?

It’s not opposite day.

Really? From the thread title and OP i thought it must be.

xiv.7136:

I find it funny that OP is complaining about elementalist burst.

And the next thread is a video with an elementalist bursting for 27k in 2 seconds, highest burst in the game by far.

Yeah, 27k burst that only a complete moron would ever get hit by. And if you could find such a moron, you’d better hope he’s not being accompanied by a second moron who would laugh as he completely mitigates your damage or just backstabs you for an easy kill.

Thieves can do 21K combo with three abilities, and do it from a state where you can’t see them. The extra 5k means absolutely nothing.

I’ve actually been playing around with this build and traits and the amount of morons that get killed by this combo is astonishing. I got quite a few whispers of people freaking out cuz they have never seen ele burst.

Conncept.7638:

Yeah, 27k burst that only a complete moron would ever get hit by.

.

In Tpvp, I dont think anyone would fall for this more than once….

in spvp…

the amount of stupid will suprise you.

OP, stop making stupid rants like this that only drown the actual problems. Just reading your post makes me agitated in many ways.

“And I hope they do, I moreover just want to thank you for wasting 70 plus hours of my life leveling my Elementalist just to see it be a giant fail.”

No. YOU wasted 70 plus hours of your life just to see yourself be a giant fail. But I guess it isn’t too bad. Players like you make our opponents unsuspecting that ele’s are actually worth something when in reality the elementalist can be extremely useful.

Conncept.7638:

xiv.7136:

I find it funny that OP is complaining about elementalist burst.

And the next thread is a video with an elementalist bursting for 27k in 2 seconds, highest burst in the game by far.

Yeah, 27k burst that only a complete moron would ever get hit by. And if you could find such a moron, you’d better hope he’s not being accompanied by a second moron who would laugh as he completely mitigates your damage or just backstabs you for an easy kill.

Only complete morons, newbies and people who have been severely outplayed get bursted down by glass cannon HB warriors, doesn’t stop the steady stream of QQ coming in though.

Only real difference between the two is that the warrior does less burst damage, but is less squishy. Sustained damage probably favors the 27k ele too, though it’ll be harder to pull off.

The thing is though, HB is still viable. I reckon the uberburst ele build will be too. Certainly not optimal, but likely viable.

I LOL’d. Hard. This:

Thom.1862:

I am not trying to be rude, just stating the obvious.

…was in the same thread as these:

Thom.1862:

Whomever is in charge of the Elementalist class you need to quit your job, your by far the worst Developer in this game.

Thom.1862:

If this was an effort on all the Developers part (the Elementalist class) then shame on you all.

Thom.1862:

I moreover just want to thank you for wasting 70 plus hours of my life leveling my Elementalist just to see it be a giant fail.

Thom.1862:

PS I figure that you will delete this post just because you can’t handle criticism about your job. I am sorry that you can’t do your job well.

Sparkling among the muck of this horrible post are some statements. If you squint your eyes really hard it almost looks like they could turn into coherent, worthwhile opinions with some polish. Polish, in this case, meaning some sort of reasoning to back up what you’re saying. As it stands, it appears that this post formed half-finished in the depths of OP’s subconscious and somehow managed to sneak onto the internet before the part of his brain responsible for “thinking” was able to get a hold of it.

Try harder. Say things, and back them up with reasoning. Until then, congratulations on your post. You’ve got me genuinely confused over whether you’re deliberately trolling or really ignorant enough to think that drivel constitutes an opinion.