Guild Wars 2

NOTE: this is a tPvP thread

Can we please take a serious look at our elites?
They are absolutely terrible : Tornado is a clear design error, FGS is a bade joke and the Glyph of elemental is usable only in fire ( arguably in Air too ); it’s always or Glyph or nothing and the only usable elite is not even game changing like the supply crate of the engy ( the other only profession with a single usable elite ), the entire ele community has been asking for substantial changes since last year but you keep ignoring us while buffing to god status the elites of other professions…why?

Tornado i can come eye to eye with you. But the glyph is amazing, and FGS even more amazing. Have you even seen the damage capabilities of FGS? probably not, or you wouldnt be saying its a joke. The glyph is completely usable amongst any attunement, i prefer it be water or earth elemental.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTX1ek8lTk

The Game Slayer.7632:

Tornado i can come eye to eye with you. But the glyph is amazing, and FGS even more amazing. Have you even seen the damage capabilities of FGS? probably not, or you wouldnt be saying its a joke. The glyph is completely usable amongst any attunement, i prefer it be water or earth elemental.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTX1ek8lTk

I have specifically stated that this is Tournament PvP thread, I can appreciate your enthusiasm but pls take notice of my intentions

In PvP :
-nobody use earth elemental ( low dmg – highly kiteable, completely ignored ), water elemental ( no viable ele bunker build against s/d thieves and fear spamm necros and for bunker I mean sit on the point at all times )
-FGS : if you want to use FGS in tPvP..be my guest

There should be a glyph that refreshes attunement recharge, like Renewed Focus for Elementalist. Maybe on a 40-60 second cooldown. It would increase the viability of non-Arcana builds, and individual skill cooldowns should prevent it from being overpowered in builds that invest heavily into arcana.

- Let us use utilities/heal in tornado.
- Glyph is fine’ish, Earth Elem could have an Unsteady Ground.
- FGS is half useless half broken. I dont really like the way it is right now (ie sickkitten crazy nonesense PvE damage against cornered mobs and hardly effective the rest of the time).

In a game mode where it has to be “best or nothing” as far as builds, the class which is intended to be Jack of all trades is just going to suck. Anet either needs to ditch that idea altogether or just announce that elementalists aren’t intended for tPvP at all.

tPvP requires your point bunker to be the absolute best and most specialized bunker possible. See where that contradicts the “decent at everything, best at nothing” idea?

Tornado makes (theoretically, not in reality) the best point bunker elite, so if any get a buff it should be that one. Enabling attunement swapping and healing while in tornado form would probably be plenty, maybe a slight duration increase or cooldown decrease also.

Greatsword is actually good for point assault, as is the fire elemental. Of course, then you run into the issue of elementalists not being the best roamer/assaulter anyway…..

My most wanted (elite) ability is this:

Signet of Arcana
Passive: Increases Intelligence by 20% (attunement recharge rate)
Active: Recharge all attunements.
Instant cast time, 40s recharge

The signet build would be so fun, and wouldn’t be tied to arcana necessarily. Most of all, it would allow saving individual skills for the right time. I.E. don’t use updraft for damage, but have signet+air+updraft for an interrupt. The potential would be so fun, and it would actually make ele more of a jack of all trades as opposed to a master of rotations.

Also, even with max arcana + signet, you are still limited by the individual skill availability as opposed to the attunements. Its similar to why Fresh air isn’t over-the-top. Worst case scenario, you put a cooldown on the elemental master-level minor abilities to prevent spamming.

Thrashbarg.9820:

In a game mode where it has to be “best or nothing” as far as builds, the class which is intended to be Jack of all trades is just going to suck. Anet either needs to ditch that idea altogether or just announce that elementalists aren’t intended for tPvP at all.

tPvP requires your point bunker to be the absolute best and most specialized bunker possible. See where that contradicts the “decent at everything, best at nothing” idea?

Tornado makes (theoretically, not in reality) the best point bunker elite, so if any get a buff it should be that one. Enabling attunement swapping and healing while in tornado form would probably be plenty, maybe a slight duration increase or cooldown decrease also.

Greatsword is actually good for point assault, as is the fire elemental. Of course, then you run into the issue of elementalists not being the best roamer/assaulter anyway…..

Well ele is supposed to be able to temporarily supplement any member of the team in a specific role, be it roamer, bunker or burst while still not completely able to overstep their efficiency, so far the ele does a great job in that role ( valkyrie burst build can’t really bunker even for a 1 min, it’s not that flexible as amulet for eles )

-Tornado in theory should be an excellent point defending elite or it should be able to buy some time to catch your breath if you’re being pressurized by multiple enemies, but right now the lack of projectile reflection and extremely low dmg makes the elite completely useless

- Fire elemental is the only viable elemental in my opinion, while the air elemental does arguably the same dmg in total, its dmg come far too slowly to make any major difference, while a blast from a fire elemental can be game changing, sadly it’s the only one out of 4

They should at the very least allow fiery greatsword to be cast while moving.

Khalic.3561:

They should at the very least allow fiery greatsword to be cast while moving.

This is badly needed. I’d rather have lightning hammer as the elite just because of this.

Jabberwock.9014:

Khalic.3561:

They should at the very least allow fiery greatsword to be cast while moving.

This is badly needed. I’d rather have lightning hammer as the elite just because of this.

This is how you can tell how awful our elites are. If it were possible to use a regular utility in the elite slot, 99% of elementalists (at least ones who pvp), would drop the elite and never go back.

dreztina.4820:

This is how you can tell how awful our elites are. If it were possible to use a regular utility in the elite slot, 99% of elementalists (at least ones who pvp), would drop the elite and never go back.

SOO TRUE!!! Except for the situational uses of FGS to escape while solo-roaming or defend a keep door (FGS #4 and #3 untargeted can do some huge damage to rams on the other side), and to solo a camp with the earth elemental, I would rather have one of our stunbreaks, a signet, or a cantrip over our elites.

Oh, tornado is useful for messing around on ledges when people don’t suspect it. Get quite a few kills that way. :-)

Lucky for me, in WVW I can slot the sylvari racial elite (one of my favourite skills in the game actually) and pretend the crappy Ele elites don’t exist.

I’d love to see a Signet Elite Skill. Blackbeard’s Signet of Arcana sounds cool, it will allow us to add 1 more heal in our heal burst(if you have 15pts in water) by switching back to water.

Here’s mine:
Signet of Elements (60s)

Active: Increases Boon Duration by 20%
Passive: Grants stability and an aura based on your attunement. You inflict a condition to your enemies when switching to an attunement.

Notes:
1. You can only get one aura based on your attunement when you cast this signet. Auras from this signet last for 7s.
2. Stability lasts for 5s.
3. In a 15s timespan after activating the signet, you can inflict conditions when changing attunements.
Radius: 360
Fire – Burning(3s)
Water – Chill(2s)
Air – Weakness (3s)
Earth – Cripple (2s)

Pros of this Elite Skill:
1. Finally, an access to auras aside from weapon skills.
2. Another access to stability.
3. Without putting points in Arcana line, you can still inflict all the conditions by switching to all attunements. Even when you put 30 point in Arcana line, the conditions applied isn’t long enough to apply permanent conditions because the 2nd effect of the signet has a 15 second duration.
3. We can finally replace boon duration runes if ever someone uses them in PvP.

Cons:
1. Boon duration isn’t exactly useful to all elementalist builds. This might be actually more helpful in PvE or WvW
2. The 2nd effect when you activate this signet is somewhat redundant to other trait effects.

Arheundel.6451:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Tornado i can come eye to eye with you. But the glyph is amazing, and FGS even more amazing. Have you even seen the damage capabilities of FGS? probably not, or you wouldnt be saying its a joke. The glyph is completely usable amongst any attunement, i prefer it be water or earth elemental.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTX1ek8lTk

I have specifically stated that this is Tournament PvP thread, I can appreciate your enthusiasm but pls take notice of my intentions

In PvP :
-nobody use earth elemental ( low dmg – highly kiteable, completely ignored ), water elemental ( no viable ele bunker build against s/d thieves and fear spamm necros and for bunker I mean sit on the point at all times )
-FGS : if you want to use FGS in tPvP..be my guest

My bad, I honestly did not notice the bolded words xD
I agree with you then, in terms on tPvp

Tornado should have been a summon instead of a transformation.

If the tornado was a summon it would be awesome! Moving with FGS could be nice also. But in my head a ele elite based on the class should be OP in a way. It’s a freakin elementalist! As it is we can’t switch weapons so 9 times out of 10 you are stuck with the same build until you have some down time to manually switch.

I guess because I came out of GW1 I expect elites to be game changers. IMO going mist form or changing to the tornado should at least remove ALL conditions. Bleeding as a giant tornado just looks stupid!

GW2 eles have completely left the NUKER role. Damage out put for us should be something to fear. Glass cannon as it were. We are soft for a reason. That is the balance (or at least I thought).

Skills I’d like would be something like a aoe gust(gw1) knock back. Our aoe crowd control sux imo. I don’t want to go too deep into skills, because it would last forever, but come on ANET do something plz!

We need an elite that others want to avoid at all cost. Not something that makes us a joke (talking about tornado here)