Guild Wars 2

It was obvious from the start. Literally first day you could tell Menders ele was still strong. You just can’t facetank like an idiot on node anymore.

Of course no one listened…

This championship meta revolves around how to support to make the best out of necro’s big damage. A bit hard to copy to your everyday rank/unranked queuing.

Vicky.4563:

It was obvious from the start. Literally first day you could tell Menders ele was still strong. You just can’t facetank like an idiot on node anymore.

Of course no one listened…

Your statement is oversimplification

In organised ts premade (especially with chrono) →your 60% right but you should take a note what’s works for Denial (previously know as TCG) doesn’t work for rest of world…PZ, ASTRAL had ele’s and where hard stomped. Ele worked because of Denials preparations to counter pro scrapper/necro combo – something that doesn’t happens in regular que. Other thing that they won previous championship with carrion warrior gs build and that didn’t end up in meta.

In solo q high ranked → horrible wrong and in this state will stay on the trash level even if people will start walking with Denial’s 5 shouts (bui..ekem…build).

One is sure…even after nerfs tempest is stuck even more in healbot role…

Iam playing a d/d ele with Menders and have actually 2 builds which are working really well for me and I do not feel inferior to other Classes anymore. That beeing said, for a Fact, the Ele is inferior and there shouldn’t be a doubt about that. Noone asks for insane buffs, just tweaks and some previous Nerfs beeing taken back.

A thing on the side notes, I do agree with Mr. Godlikes Post here.

I totally agree with Mr Godlike,

The TCG/Denial team was totally prepared for the machtup to kill the enemy necro. That doesnt seems to happend in solo queu.

And Vicky you seem to say that everything that pro players play is the meta…. Thats not true and seem to reflect the lackness personality of GW2 players…

No, I remember clearly the first day ele got nerfed in S3 and everyone and their grandma was crying ele was useless and dead. I clearly stated then ele wasn’t useless, it would always have a role in teams where they could peel for ele and work around them. It just wasn’t the stupid facetank and run around in a circle on node braindead class anymore.

Meanwhile some ele dude here was talking about how druids were totally going to replace eles blah blah blah. When eles pump out mass heals and have the condi cleanses for the team and rebound is priceless.

It’s not the solo-que carry hero it was anymore, but people with brains can still play it efficiently. If you have at least 1 damage duo (rev is a good bet) to work with you, it’s still a carry class.

Not to mention with menders it’s no more a pure healbot role than druid.

Ele is the same as necro. You need a team to peel for you. People just stopped playing it because they convinced themselves it was useless before they even tried it and couldn’t adapt to the fact that you actually require skill and coordination to use it. Then tried to convince everyone else that ele was useless. Now it’s vindication time.

I don’t know man…In season 3 they nerfed only few cooldowns on auras…in this season anet nerfed/change much more than that and removal of cleric happened. Maybe you should check patch notes or something?

And yes druids are much better in soloq and in proleauge. If I remember correctly every pro-team used druid in WTS (ok astral kinda used, and I didn’t seen Never Lucky match).

True in some matchup in soloq mender tempest will do it’s work against trapper DH, and heavy condi pressure teams but that’s it. Mostly of meta tier builds are pure power based or condi hybrids and ele without both toughness and healing power can’t survive most 1v1 without leaving team fights…without hard-damage-migrations skills that class lacks HORRIBLY it can’t use mender like DH or Druid and be on the same level of efficiency.

Biggest problem with ele for soloQ (and any level that isn’t full voice-comms) is that mobility is so dreadfully low, that it requires effective team communication to rotate to the right fight and to let the team know when to peel. If an ele rotates to the wrong fight, they are 100% useless, and if nobody peels they are actually easy to focus down. Further, having the mesmer makes eles MUCH more useful, both to get to the correct point (like old bunker guard), and to get free resses by down-state misting through portal.

In soloQ, there just isn’t communication to rotate to the right spot. Druid and scrapper, on the other hand, are 95% as effective at optimal usage, and 150% as effective when team usage (communication) is sub-optimal because of good disengage capability, better 1v1 against most classes, and excellent mobility to make up for poor rotations of the rest of the team.

Finally, there is the meta to consider. Eles are good against necros and mesmers to cleanse the team, both of which have MUCH lower representation in SoloQ. Tourneys also can’t stack professions, which would honestly greatly skew team-comps compared to what was seen.

BlackBeard.2873:

Biggest problem with ele for soloQ (and any level that isn’t full voice-comms) is that mobility is so dreadfully low, that it requires effective team communication to rotate . . . both of which have MUCH lower representation in SoloQ. Tourneys also can’t stack professions, which would honestly greatly skew team-comps compared to what was seen.

Thank you BlackBeard for your clear explanation !! That is what I try to esplain every time people talk about elementalist in PvP thoses days.

==> You had earn a “kitten Point” from me !

Moreover i am agree again with Mr Godlike again cause, since HoT, elementalist had been nerfed to the ground (maybe it was the project of arena net since the start).

Explanations:

1° Tempest mecanic : That gameplay goes againts the swichting elements mecanic of the elementalist wicht is somehow a nerf (cause we are not playing the wonderfull arcane line) and we have to wait 5 sec before casting a tempest. By the way the tempest cast make us really targetable so…

2° Warhorn: Simply the worst weappon set in all HoT. Completely unsable (maybe in PvE I dont know )

3° Nerf eof the CD’s of the fire and water aura (5 sec more CD) + nerf of 20% damages of the air overload.

4° Nerf of the CD’s trait of 33% reduction in each elements to 20 % reduction + nerf of 10% damages of the air overload + nerf of the healing trait on auras (750 (no healing power) to 500 (no healing power) + nerf of the “wash the pain away” for about 2k heal (no healing power) + removal of the cleric amulet.

==> They said that they increase the healing power scale but i tested (with magi amulet 1200 healing power) and you have less heal than before pacht…

==> Fresh air was been up a lot but still doesnt have the survability to be viable in PvP (its “playble” in WvW if you abuse of the super spedd trait)