DD elementalist - viable?

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Posted by: Daniele Rebecchi.1746

Daniele Rebecchi.1746

Hello evribody.
First of all,i apologize for my poor english but is not my native laanguage,i hope u will understnd me anyway
I staarted playng GW2 after the free trial week when in felt in love with this game;s first class i chose the elementalist,and i really enjoyed it.

I played almost only pve until now,im not even lvl 80,but i found myself enjoyng more then evrithing the double dagger combination of the elementalist.
I searched so for buil/advises about how to build a DD ele for pvp matches,discovering that this class is the wrost of all in pvp.

I really dont mind play a tier 3 class in pvp ,becouse i love the skill and the gameplay that DD provide:

infact the staff have a kit full of Aoe,kiting end supporting skill that i dont really like,and rely too mutch on Fire for the damage,basically almost null in the other element (IMHO)

On the other hand,the DD uses all the 4 type of element at the (almost) same rate and i found myself using a lot all of the stance a elementalist can use,almost doing full rotation alway evry encounter,and i feel is how this class should be played.

But im not a pro,and i dont know if my buil coulda do something useful,so i ask u if this buil can be useful,or if is totally dumb?Please explain me im new at the game and i dont really understand fully the mechanics^^

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhUMac2zwwBfEBEAGpsQwAQBY0Ooca4LkEB-TFRSgAaK/I2fAQ9nSlgkCAmpRA-w

Why did i come with this build?
i found myself in having a lot of base damage with this class,so i point almost all on surviability.The barrier from the tier 1 trait of heart and arcane (armor of heart and arcane shield) are golden,plus i had it in my skill at 8-9 key,and i had a double cleanse with the cleansing fire at the fire trait plus the 7th skill key.
Basically i invested all the 3 utility skillpoint and the trait into surviability becouse i feel my spell are enought to deal dmg ,plus the useful boon in the arcane skill make changin my stance optimal for the gameplay of the class.

I foun myself doing preatty great with this combination: arcane shield make me basically untouchable while i dot u with spell/greatsword,and thanks to heart armor im able to cast also cunning heart without being knocked out while channeling.

Is reallya good combination or its juts me?I feel like im useful in supportin teammates with my boom but i have canche also in 1v1 pvp,am i right?

Please comment in what are my mistake and suggest me how ot change.Im really disappointed about having only one trait a 6,but i didn founf really interesting the grandmaster tier in the other element.I also really want some trait in air becouse is my favourite stance,but i couldnt spend any in it

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Posted by: Neko.9021

Neko.9021

Dungeon PvE Speedclear/“Meta” builds:

1. Scepter-Focus Lightning Hammer
2. Fire Staff
3. Dagger-Focus Fresh Air

PvP Meta builds:
1. Dagger/Dagger Celestial Bunker
2. Staff Support Celestial Bunker

Here is the best PvE/Dungeon guide I could give you.

In general though, running a 6/6/X/X/X Ele build can be a bit shocking and difficult for new players. I suggest if you’re completely new running a tanky build (look at the PvP meta builds) but with Berserker gear, and then as you learn the encounters, building out more offensively. I know a lot of players who started with X/X/X/6/6 builds for PvE Ele and then moved to 6/6/X/X/X, but that took a bit of time and familiarity with the encounters. Also, if you ever run WvW or PvP, you should probably just play the heavy Water-Arcana builds that Meta PvP Eles generally play.

Oh, and in general: Berserker for PvE, and Celestial for PvP. Condi Ele is bad in PvE and at best experimental in PvP (a lot of troll builds will win duels and such, but Celestial Ele is a much better teamfighter and generalist PvP Ele than Condi Ele will ever be).

For what it’s worth though, Ele is top tier in both PvE and PvP. It’s not uncommon to see Double Ele in PvE casual-speedclear comps and sPvP comps. So learning the class and its meta builds for its respective formats makes you a very valuable player.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Hello evribody.
First of all,i apologize for my poor english but is not my native laanguage,i hope u will understnd me anyway
I staarted playng GW2 after the free trial week when in felt in love with this game;s first class i chose the elementalist,and i really enjoyed it.

I played almost only pve until now,im not even lvl 80,but i found myself enjoyng more then evrithing the double dagger combination of the elementalist.
I searched so for buil/advises about how to build a DD ele for pvp matches,discovering that this class is the wrost of all in pvp.

I really dont mind play a tier 3 class in pvp ,becouse i love the skill and the gameplay that DD provide:

infact the staff have a kit full of Aoe,kiting end supporting skill that i dont really like,and rely too mutch on Fire for the damage,basically almost null in the other element (IMHO)

On the other hand,the DD uses all the 4 type of element at the (almost) same rate and i found myself using a lot all of the stance a elementalist can use,almost doing full rotation alway evry encounter,and i feel is how this class should be played.

But im not a pro,and i dont know if my buil coulda do something useful,so i ask u if this buil can be useful,or if is totally dumb?Please explain me im new at the game and i dont really understand fully the mechanics^^

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhUMac2zwwBfEBEAGpsQwAQBY0Ooca4LkEB-TFRSgAaK/I2fAQ9nSlgkCAmpRA-w

Why did i come with this build?
i found myself in having a lot of base damage with this class,so i point almost all on surviability.The barrier from the tier 1 trait of heart and arcane (armor of heart and arcane shield) are golden,plus i had it in my skill at 8-9 key,and i had a double cleanse with the cleansing fire at the fire trait plus the 7th skill key.
Basically i invested all the 3 utility skillpoint and the trait into surviability becouse i feel my spell are enought to deal dmg ,plus the useful boon in the arcane skill make changin my stance optimal for the gameplay of the class.

I foun myself doing preatty great with this combination: arcane shield make me basically untouchable while i dot u with spell/greatsword,and thanks to heart armor im able to cast also cunning heart without being knocked out while channeling.

Is reallya good combination or its juts me?I feel like im useful in supportin teammates with my boom but i have canche also in 1v1 pvp,am i right?

Please comment in what are my mistake and suggest me how ot change.Im really disappointed about having only one trait a 6,but i didn founf really interesting the grandmaster tier in the other element.I also really want some trait in air becouse is my favourite stance,but i couldnt spend any in it

Lol, in PvP celestial DD is possibly the single strongest build in the game atm. Absolutely every team without exception is running one it would seem.

Daliriant, Dr Octogon [Champion Illusionist]
Mellowpuff [Champion Hunter]

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Posted by: keenlam.4753

keenlam.4753

D/D ele is pretty strong and fun to play but u need to build it properly.
I’m sorry to hear that you have the misleading perception that D/D ele is the worst in PvP as its very far from the truth.

Now about the build u posted.
Going D/D with Ele means you are locked into a very fast-paced playstyle with extremely high mobility (maybe this is why you like D/D). Thus condition gear is a bad choice as its for more sustained prolonged fight where u try wear down your opponent. So with D/D, its the completely opposite playstyle, you go in, you burst people health down fast, get out to heal/defend, then go in .. burst again, over time you develop a rhythm for this and you become a good D/D Ele.

As others already mentioned, in PvE Full Berserker gear is optimal, in PvP Celestial for a more balance between offense and defense.
I list here an example of an effective D/D build, it is a bit more tanky, as you get better u can go for less tanky setups.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhMM6c24wyBf0AhABxtmhBFlfLXB-TVRQwA7U/JlyPe6BiqEEw+DkCIixAA-w

Hope this helps.

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Posted by: conti.5187

conti.5187

Op from a pvp perspective dd celestial ele is the strongest thing in the game right now. If played well its an absolute monster.

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Posted by: Mbelch.9028

Mbelch.9028

Op from a pvp perspective dd celestial ele is the strongest thing in the game right now. If played well its an absolute monster.

Don’t get me wrong, celestial in PvP is super strong, but I wouldn’t call it the most overpowered spec. I can name things that take it down.

Now this I can admit.. before the nerf of Pirate Runes the whole doom, pirate rune celestial combo was just ridiculous.

I still think the doom sigil throws it over the top. I believe doom sigil, runes of strength and celestial all need a bit of a shave.

-Nex, [FEAR] Elementalist
https://www.youtube.com/user/GW2FearGaming

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

Snakebyte.2804

Would yall consider d/d ele the strongest wvw roamer right now too? I know it’s different in WVW where stats are more customizable.

Gringo Pls, JQ Engineer

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Posted by: Mbelch.9028

Mbelch.9028

Would yall consider d/d ele the strongest wvw roamer right now too? I know it’s different in WVW where stats are more customizable.

Stealth is king in roaming. No, it’s not the best roamer, but it can be very successful. Check out the series of videos I’m releasing of my roaming sessions. My link is in my sig.

-Nex, [FEAR] Elementalist
https://www.youtube.com/user/GW2FearGaming

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Posted by: Daniele Rebecchi.1746

Daniele Rebecchi.1746

First of all really thank you all for ur consideration^^
Im happy to see that DD ele is not so underpowered as i thought it was,but i enjoy too mutch his mechanics so i would play it Op or not XD

Anyway about ur advice: i see that celestial is good,and my idea to have some tankyness is basically came from my being a noob (if i didnt misunderstood,the more brusty build are for more experienced player,right?)

Also i guess my traits werent really good,so i think the best is to have 6 point in water and arcana.Here is my question: Evasive arcana is really strong and can combo well,but why nobody chose Elemental contintengy?The passive it gives seems pretty strong,isnt it?

Also,playng DD i found myself basically doing only combo with Ring of fire: it gives Might with Froen brust,Earthuake,Chirnging heart and the dodge if i get evasive arcana.But there are other combo here?
I didnt understand fully the combo system,i juts found them when i do them,so i guess i missed some other^^

I found relly useful the fct tht i can cast utility spell while channeling,making that i can cast on myself rmor of heart and lightining flas while charging a Churning heart

And what are the best elite skills to take?I only consider the sword becouse i didnt really use mutch the other one,are them viable?

PS this is how my build look like now,except for item im only lvl 70 now ^^
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhMM6c24wyBf0AhABxtmhBFlfLXB-TVRQwA7U/JlyPe6BiqEEw+DkCIixAA-w

(edited by Daniele Rebecchi.1746)

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Posted by: Mbelch.9028

Mbelch.9028

First of all really thank you all for ur consideration^^
Im happy to see that DD ele is not so underpowered as i thought it was,but i enjoy too mutch his mechanics so i would play it Op or not XD

Anyway about ur advice: i see that celestial is good,and my idea to have some tankyness is basically came from my being a noob (if i didnt misunderstood,the more brusty build are for more experienced player,right?)

Also i guess my traits werent really good,so i think the best is to have 6 point in water and arcana.Here is my question: Evasive arcana is really strong and can combo well,but why nobody chose Elemental contintengy?The passive it gives seems pretty strong,isnt it?

Also,playng DD i found myself basically doing only combo with Ring of fire: it gives Might with Froen brust,Earthuake,Chirnging heart and the dodge if i get evasive arcana.But there are other combo here?
I didnt understand fully the combo system,i juts found them when i do them,so i guess i missed some other^^

I found relly useful the fct tht i can cast utility spell while channeling,making that i can cast on myself rmor of heart and lightining flas while charging a Churning heart

And what are the best elite skills to take?I only consider the sword becouse i didnt really use mutch the other one,are them viable?

PS this is how my build look like now,except for item im only lvl 70 now ^^
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhMM6c24wyBf0AhABxtmhBFlfLXB-TVRQwA7U/JlyPe6BiqEEw+DkCIixAA-w

There are other combos, too. Watch my videos for a few of them. Leaping through the fire fields, you can create flame aura. I have a sustain video that seems like it will be beneficial for you. I took the fight slow and I did some of my usual rotations. Definitely check out my ele help series.

Don’t worry too much about the build and gear until you are lvl 80.

Pm me if you have any questions.

-Nex, [FEAR] Elementalist
https://www.youtube.com/user/GW2FearGaming

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Posted by: Abraxadrian.1769

Abraxadrian.1769

When i started playing D/D ele a year ago, i also felt it was underpowered and all the bad stuff u read in the forums.

One year later, things couldnt be more diferent. Not only a well builded and played D/D build is balanced in the current pvp meta: in the right hands its REALLY strong. There are very few builds that cant hard-counter me and i pretty much feel im doing great in pvp. Its a really strong build, probably one of the strongest 1v1 builds out there.

The thing is: its takes a fair amount of skill and practice to get all the potential of it. And im not saying its a “skillcap” build cause im doing good at it: these are just the facts. If u enjoy the class like i do, stick to it and keep practicing. The rewards are SO worth of your time and patience.

Also, pvp in this game is HARD. Despite what some may say, a new player has to learn A LOT to be able to compete with veterans. So dont feel bad if u are havin troubles with a high skill cap class/build and u are a new player.

Contact me in-game for all things elementalist! and i´ll gladly help u out