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Posted by: Tomiyou.3790

Tomiyou.3790

I know Anet has intentions of nerfing staff ele in raids, or at least there are rumors of it and rightly so. They currently just outshine everything else.

That being said I hope Anet understands that nerfing CD reduction traits for each attunement will have much bigger impact than it might seem on the first glance. I am mostly gonna talk about fresh air, as lowering CD reduction will affect only the DPS of staff ele. But that is not the case with fresh air tempest in raids.

Fresh air tempest rotation is currently quite good. Not only for its dps but also its flow. What do I mean by that? Example: Burning speed gets reduced from 15 to 10s with fire traits and Wildfire gets reduced from 30s to 20s. Completing a swap into air attunement takes just about 10s: You swap inside, wait 5 seconds for Air overload to charge and then keep casting it for additional 4 seconds. After that you swap to fire and use Burning speed and Wildfire. You swap back to air again. You have to now again wait roughly 10s to do your air rotation and swap back to fire.
Now we come to the problematic point: If Anet nerfed CD traits from 33% to 20%, Burning speed would be on a 12s CD instead of 10s and Wildfire big dps loss. When you swap to fire the 2nd time, your Burning speed is still on CD for another 2 seconds while Wildfire is still on a 14s CD. You have 2 options:

  • You wait for Burning speed to come off CD. For that you have to wait 2 seconds in fire attunement. Since Air overload is almost half your DPS, wasting those 2 seconds in fire is horrible. Even with more damage modifiers (10%, 150 power). And you would have to wait 2 seconds every single time for CDs to be available, while your dagger fire damage skills are pretty bad, meaning additional dps loss.
  • You swap to air again. This is an even bigger dps loss than the previous option. But didn’t you say Air overload is almost 50% of your dps? True, but if you swap back into air immediately, your fire skills come off CD while you are still in air doing your rotation. Meaning some of your hardest hitting skills spend a lot of the time on CD.

Seriously tho, don’t nerf fresh air ele. Even if the dps spreadsheet by qT seems like with good boons fresh air tempest would hit harder than thief, and while this is probably true, there is the simple fact that ele has a much higher risk higher reward play (plus Anet shouldn’t balance around one of the best guilds in the game, the raids are still quite accessible to lower skill players). If an ele has to dodge, while being in fire or casting Air overload, that’s a big dps loss (a little less dps if you dodge in fire than air, obviously). Thief on the other hand doesn’t lose much dps, since dodge deals damage.

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Posted by: Jhoul.6923

Jhoul.6923

I read this, and I become rlly sad since no1 lets me do raid with them because I’m a ele T___T.

I have all the stuff from Metabattle, yet it is rlly hard to find a group.

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Posted by: lucadiro.4519

lucadiro.4519

Where did you heard about this nerf?
Btw if it is true I would prefere they nerf a bit the damage output (aka numbers on meteroshower) of fire staff and left untouched fresh air build, that personaly, I think it is more fun to play and doesn’t have all AoE of staff, so in somehow is also more balanced.

Since you mention the thief, Yes It’s true that they don’t lose a lot of dps while dodging but is also true that they do only dps…. Tempest fresh air can provide also some heal, and bounce might and fury with heat sync. So tempest surely will not be replaced from thieves with a little nerf. I’m Pretty sure you will see at least 1 or 2 tempest in mostly encounter

Parabrezza

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

Conncept.7638

Anet has never before shown concern about completely and utterly destroying off-meta builds when nerfing the ele meta builds. If nerfs are coming, that is the one thing you can be sure of.

Honestly the ele had more builds that “worked well enough” at launch than it has had in years. And nearly all of them were destroyed in some zealous crusade or another against a dominant meta build.

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Posted by: Tomiyou.3790

Tomiyou.3790

I read this, and I become rlly sad since no1 lets me do raid with them because I’m a ele T___T.

I have all the stuff from Metabattle, yet it is rlly hard to find a group.

Wtf? I am just posting this since I have heard some specific things about certain traits getting nerfed, which could impact more than Anet anticipates, which could push ele out of your precious metabattle.

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

Ele has been systematically destroyed since the launch of the game. Starting with the RTL epic fail nerf. It’s almost a different class to play now, and it’s not as fun as it used to be. Remember when Ice Bow wasn’t completely useless? Remember when Tornado wasn’t useless? Remember when Meteor didn’t have a huge red circle everyone just dodge out of? Remember when the fire line was good? Remember when you had build variety in the old trait system? …The list take pages of skills and traits they completely ruined. Remember how naive we were when we thought HoT would have the first ele elite skill that isn’t useless?

There is just too many people not understanding the mechanics and complaining on this forum every time they get hit by an ele combo in pvp or WvW. And now since Anet didn’t sell HoT as planned and was an epic balance failure they take every poll and and forum statistics and just go with the majority in their nerf decisions.

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Posted by: alain.1659

alain.1659

Guys chill. If they nerf in that way, we won’t not play ele. Ta-daaa no problem.

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

Lahmia.2193

Be thankful your precious ele has been top tier in every game mode since people worked out how to make builds.
“Press 3 buttons to have the highest DPS in the game”

Surrender and serve me in life, or die and slave for me in death.

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Posted by: Tomiyou.3790

Tomiyou.3790

Be thankful your precious ele has been top tier in every game mode since people worked out how to make builds.
“Press 3 buttons to have the highest DPS in the game”

Did you even read what I wrote? Like, all of it?
Also, nice constructive comment to add to the discussion.

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

“Press 3 buttons to have the highest DPS in the game”

Are you talking about the necro, the revenant or the thief?

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Posted by: lucadiro.4519

lucadiro.4519

Be thankful your precious ele has been top tier in every game mode since people worked out how to make builds.
“Press 3 buttons to have the highest DPS in the game”

Did you had a bad day mate? I’m sorry for that, but don’t give up, tomorrow is a new day

Parabrezza

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

Lahmia.2193

Did you even read what I wrote? Like, all of it?
Also, nice constructive comment to add to the discussion.

You asked for my opinion and I stated it. Crying about a dps loss on the highest dps profession in the game doesn’t really get you much sympathy. As for the comparison to Thief, Thieves bring almost nothing to the party else aside from DPS. Eles bring DPS, Boons, healing and utility. Which is why raids stack eles like they’re going out of fashion and rarely bring thieves. Is that constructive enough for you?

Are you talking about the necro, the revenant or the thief?

It was a quote I read from the forums a month or so back. Couldn’t find it again so lack of quote is real
However, I do main Necro and will actually be happy if they nerf the currently absurd power of condi necro. Necros have been top tier at many points in gw2 history but they’ve also been at the bottom too.
Revenant is mid tier dps though.

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Posted by: BlackBeard.2873

BlackBeard.2873

Be thankful your precious ele has been top tier in every game mode since people worked out how to make builds.
“Press 3 buttons to have the highest DPS in the game”

You must not have been playing since launch. For more than the first year of PvE, Eles weren’t really wanted (in dungeons) because Guardians and mesmers gave great defense, while 100B warriors could just 2-3 to victory. It took a long time for people to figure out that ele dps could be really high (this was back when FGS could be stacked in a wall).

For the year between June 2014 and March 2015, eles were a pariah in pvp, to the point that people would get upset at you using them, and unseen in tournaments. There hasn’t really ever been a profession as inferior to the others in pvp as ele was during that stretch (Cleansing water had kitten ICD, celestial didn’t exist, signet of restoration was nerfed, and healing from evasive arcana scaled 50% with healing power).

WvW, eles for the most part have been just a walking water-field/cleanse-bot. Yes, they were popular and part of the GWEN meta, but nobody was stacking tons of eles (that would be warriors and guards being stacked, with a few eles to fill their water needs).

Yea, besides those long stretches, eles have been pretty good “forever”

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

TBF even with nerfs ele will prob still be top dog against big hitboxes. FA builds will get rekt completely tho if these rumours are true. I’m more worried about what would replace them in the meta as most other classes meta builds atm require a ridiculous amount of just auto attacking….

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Posted by: CETheLucid.3964

CETheLucid.3964

Last I checked, Arcane is still broken and not giving us the correct CDs for element swapping. Why would they nerf CDs that are already latently crippled?

If they fixed Arcane, it would bring Arcane back into play, but we’d also have to sacrifice a trait line for it. With Tempest that leaves us with Fire and Air.

See where this is going?