Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,

I updated my old double dagger build since it’s been almost six months and I’ve made some changes to it.

It’s quite durable and has good burst. The build offers great condi cleanse for yourself and allies, as well as big heals. Glass cannons are manageable with almost 100% uptime of protection. I’m currently running 75% boon duration which makes my might stacking more effective, consistent fury, longer regens, and again almost 100% uptime of protection.

The build works great for any aspect of the game, whether it’s WvW / PvE / PvP.

Here’s the link to the build:

Do not use d/d for PvE. Your dmg is too low and your might-stacking is too low. Use s/f or s/d with LH. The meta builds are in my guide (link’s in my sig).

For WvW/PvP, idgaf what you use. Lots of different things work. But the same cannot be said for PvE; there ARE undeniable PvE meta builds for ultimate min/maxing, and those builds are in my guide.

I’m sorry you feel that way, but I’ve been using D/D in high level fractals for awhile now. I’m not saying D/D is better than S/F or S/D, but it’s very much viable in PvE.

“Feelings” do not come into it. I’m not talking about “viable” – that doesn’t matter in the least. I’m talking about “optimal.” And the optimal builds for dungeons and fractals up to 40 are the meta builds, found in my guide.

Fracs above 40, PvP, and WvW are all different, but that’s not what we’re talking about. There is a huge amount of evidence that d/d is not optimal in dungeons; even the well-known players on these forums who choose not to use the meta builds still admit that those builds ARE optimal in the circumstances I’m referring to.

There is simply no logical way that you can argue against the metas from a standpoint of efficiency, effectiveness, and min/maxing – although you’re welcome to try. I’m all for productive discussion, as long as we’re both on the same page: that we’re trying to discover the Ele build(s) that maximize group dmg, resulting in the fastest completion times.

If you were to remove “PvE” from the title of this thread, there wouldn’t be an issue. You could talk about d/d Ele builds in WvW/PvP all you like, and I would never feel the need to post in your thread, because there are good arguments to be made for d/d in WvW/PvP. But unfortunately, it’s a fact that d/d is not optimal in PvE, so I’m just here to make people aware of that, in the hope that nobody will mistakenly think it’s OK to pug as a d/d Ele. I’ve had a few of them in groups over the last month, and it’s always a continuous /facepalm. Not because any particular players were bad, but because choosing d/d instead of s/f LH: 1) lowers your personal dmg; and 2) lowers the group’s dmg, primarily because you stack less might.

Thank you for taking the time to contribute a build that you have had success with and enjoy. It’s unfortunate how the community seems to always want to squash down on what others are enjoying, often forgetting that we play these games to have fun, and that fun does not mean min/max to the entire player community.

Continue enjoying your double dagger build, and I hope others give it a shot.

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

FrownyClown.8402:

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

Boring for me is when it takes longer to finish something that could have been done at lot faster.

LightningBlaze.4913:

FrownyClown.8402:

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

Boring for me is when it takes longer to finish something that could have been done at lot faster.

I like being challenged. Getting wiped over and over is annoying but if it only saves like 5 minutes I don’t see a big deal in running dagger. Not sure how you stack more might running scepter focus (like 1 more finisher than double dagger). I don’t pve though so who knows

LightningBlaze.4913:

FrownyClown.8402:

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

Boring for me is when it takes longer to finish something that could have been done at lot faster.

Boring for me is sacrificing fun playstyles because of min/maxing for a tiny edge.

If you love the dagger playstyle, at least switch to a focus for pve, and run 30/30/x with fresh air. Know that your loosing about 20% of your dps potential and sacrificing some might stacking capabilities. If your pugging and/or your in a group that isn’t super concerned about maximizing dps, I think this is the best compromise.

@ Frowny: Scepter has 2x blast finishers (Dragon’s Tooth and Phoenix). That’s an extra 6 might, multiplied by 5 party members, meaning an extra 1050 Power and 1050 condi dmg total. Then of course, if there are fire fields provided by party members (Ember pets, Guard’s PF/HG, a second Ele, War’s LB f1, etc), you’re stacking even more Might just via the LH AA.

birdn.9201:

LightningBlaze.4913:

FrownyClown.8402:

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

Boring for me is when it takes longer to finish something that could have been done at lot faster.

Boring for me is sacrificing fun playstyles because of min/maxing for a tiny edge.

The edge can be way above “tiny” if all the members in the group are into max dps standard. Gw2 pve is very easy where any build is viable. Just run whatever build and weapon set you enjoy and as long you are not affecting the whole group with constantly getting downed then you are good, unless……you run into a group that requires all zerk type of players or any other specific criteria.

LightningBlaze.4913:

birdn.9201:

LightningBlaze.4913:

FrownyClown.8402:

Why is pve about finishing the fastest? sounds more like a boring game to me.

Boring for me is when it takes longer to finish something that could have been done at lot faster.

Boring for me is sacrificing fun playstyles because of min/maxing for a tiny edge.

The edge can be way above “tiny” if all the members in the group are into max dps standard. Gw2 pve is very easy where any build is viable. Just run whatever build and weapon set you enjoy and as long you are not affecting the whole group with constantly getting downed then you are good, unless……you run into a group that requires all zerk type of players or any other specific criteria.

I agree with LightningBlaze as long as a build is capable of completing what ever content your doing and your party doesn’t mind it then its viable.

I too do not play just to get through dungeons as fast as possible. It just bores me, especially the whole standing there stacking thing. I’ll do it if the group wants to, but its nothing like as much fun as running around using your skills and dodging.

Each to their own, that’s why its called a game and not a job.

Anyway – I like this build, I’ve always been a fan of boon builds. I used to run the build that used the water and monk runs, but lately I’ve gone more for condition mitigation (for WvW). Ever since I discovered the traveler runes though, I’ve thought about making a 75% boon duration build like you have.

I am worried about conditions though in WvW, especially from Warriors / Necros. Get stunned in a zerg fight and you’re probably dead.

Enjoyed the YouTube video too, nice job.