To make it even more comfortable by the way, swap out the scepter for a dagger. That way when someone mistakingly picks up your LH or if you get downed and lose it, you won’t have abysmal DPS.
Staff have about 10% more dps than a S/X LH Elementalist. Otherwise, there would be no reason to bring a staff Ele in dungeon. S/X Ele bring more might, but have less personal dps.
LH is/can be useful to slot for when your group has a mesmer and the encounter heavily relies on reflects. A mesmer gains a lot from precision so if it isn’t an absolute necessity to have signet of fire/glyph, it can on occasion be helpful to slot it just for that purpose.
Also LH blinds are nice for trash + the blast finisher on the autoattack in combination with a staff elementalist is widely known for being awesome. Even if staff elementalists had slightly lower personal DPS I don’t think they’d be ruled out entirely.
Although I prefer to camp staff as an Ele, I assumed that Staff Ele only has the highest DPS in-game if there is a might-stacking Ele in the first place. But…I could be wrong. Please do tell me.
the blast finisher on the autoattack in combination with a staff elementalist is widely known for being awesome. Even if staff elementalists had slightly lower personal DPS I don’t think they’d be ruled out entirely.
That’s an interesting view. But I think that if LH Ele would have the best dps over a Staff Ele, then you would have 2-3 LH Ele, which is enough to have 25 of might for the whole fight, making the constant fire field from the Staff Ele not that useful anymore. I really think that If LH Ele had better dps than staff, then you could do a better job with just LH Ele and no Staff ele. Anyway, I think that Dekeyz did the math and test on several occasion on this. Staff Ele do more dmg than LH Ele. Each of them have their strength and weakness.
Although I prefer to camp staff as an Ele, I assumed that Staff Ele only has the highest DPS in-game if there is a might-stacking Ele in the first place. But…I could be wrong. Please do tell me.
I don’t play Ele as a main though.
Well, when you compare their DPS, you compare them in a party that give 25 stack of might. Don’t know what would be the difference between their dps if they were in solo situation. I know that I would rather bring a staff ele in that situation anyway since LH in solo can be suicide.
one if the reasons I avoid playing Ele is that ppl did not appreciate me camping staff. And they told me that I was a waste of dps because I should be might stacking with S / X or D/F (I dont know for sure)
I think PUG’s find me camping staff more forgiving when there is a 1st Ele that uses a might stacking/ LH build.
one if the reasons I avoid playing Ele is that ppl did not appreciate me camping staff. And they told me that I was a waste of dps because I should be might stacking with S / X or D/F (I dont know for sure)
I think PUG’s find me camping staff more forgiving when there is a 1st Ele that uses a might stacking/ LH build.
But again, I dont main Ele
Well it depend on what you are doing with your staff camping. If you stay at 1200 range and don’t provide 6-9 stack of might and constant fury, then ya of course they won’t appreciate you lol. Especially, since you drop your dps if you are not at 300 and less from your party. If you don’t put ice bow either, then ya well…
Never heard any complain when I play staff Ele correctly. But it is true that a LH Ele is better for a group than a Staff Ele (at least for the first Ele in the group).
It really depends. In high lvl fotm staff ele + hammer guard + PS warr for might is a popular alternative. The group has lower DPS but it’s a lot safer.
It really depends. In high lvl fotm staff ele + hammer guard + PS warr for might is a popular alternative. The group has lower DPS but it’s a lot safer.
^^ EZ mode dungeons as well. Me and my buddies just called it the braindead meta easy might stacks, perma fury still, and perma protection makes it so you can miss a dodge or two and be fine.
I used to be convinced that S/x LH has higher burst than Staff, even though Staff has higher DPS on long fight. Goku firmly proves me wrong http://youtu.be/BF0ttD5lGkY.
By the ways, Miku, your suggested “absolute highest personal DPS” build is incorrect. It should be 04550 with vuln covered by Lightning Storm.
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
I used to be convinced that S/x LH has higher burst than Staff, even though Staff has higher DPS on long fight. Goku firmly proves me wrong http://youtu.be/BF0ttD5lGkY.
By the ways, Miku, your suggested “absolute highest personal DPS” build is incorrect. It should be 04550 with vuln covered by Lightning Storm.
I used to be convinced that S/x LH has higher burst than Staff, even though Staff has higher DPS on long fight. Goku firmly proves me wrong http://youtu.be/BF0ttD5lGkY.
By the ways, Miku, your suggested “absolute highest personal DPS” build is incorrect. It should be 04550 with vuln covered by Lightning Storm.
…. until you take a hit and/or dodge :p
You can say the same about the dodge thing for all profession. And both thing can be said about any dps Ele or thief.
I used to be convinced that S/x LH has higher burst than Staff, even though Staff has higher DPS on long fight. Goku firmly proves me wrong http://youtu.be/BF0ttD5lGkY.
By the ways, Miku, your suggested “absolute highest personal DPS” build is incorrect. It should be 04550 with vuln covered by Lightning Storm.
…. until you take a hit and/or dodge :p
You can say the same about the dodge thing for all profession. And both thing can be said about any dps Ele or thief.
I’m talking about the 10% multipliers in that build ^^
I used to be convinced that S/x LH has higher burst than Staff, even though Staff has higher DPS on long fight. Goku firmly proves me wrong http://youtu.be/BF0ttD5lGkY.
By the ways, Miku, your suggested “absolute highest personal DPS” build is incorrect. It should be 04550 with vuln covered by Lightning Storm.
…. until you take a hit and/or dodge :p
You can say the same about the dodge thing for all profession. And both thing can be said about any dps Ele or thief.
I’m talking about the 10% multipliers in that build ^^
Ok got it. But not all LH Ele have that trait. 6/6/2/0/0 LH have almost the exact same dps as 5/4/0/5/0 but bring vulnerability and the tempest trait for some nice Icebow burst.
The risk of losing a multiplier with the 5/4/0/5/0 is another reason to take 6/6/2/0/0 instead.
The 04550 build Iris mentioned has the highest dps in theory but in practice it’s nearly impossible to maintain both of the 10% multipliers, which is what i was poking fun at. It’s a nice benchmark but i doubt it ever gets used for anything aside from dps tests on dummies.
The 04550 build Iris mentioned has the highest dps in theory but in practice it’s nearly impossible to maintain both of the 10% multipliers, which is what i was poking fun at. It’s a nice benchmark but i doubt it ever gets used for anything aside from dps tests on dummies.
Interesting enough, DnT diddps tests on dummies and 6/6/2/0/0 had about 2% more dps. Of course those test are from last june, but I don’t think that any of those two build were buffed or nerfed since then. Did they?
Anyway, the difference between them is really close.
04550 isn’t really a practical build to use though and I’m not sure if it’d be better unless you have someone else throwing out boons to you for that one minor trait in water to be good.
04550 isn’t really a practical build to use though and I’m not sure if it’d be better unless you have someone else throwing out boons to you for that one minor trait in water to be good.
Ya it’s not a good dungeon build. Its nice for testing, but in real situation not so much.
You can’t provide vulnerability yourself to trigger Piercing Shards, you can only provide 2 boons by yourself for Bountiful Power, you can’t dodge or you loss Enduring Damage, if you don’t dodge the scholar and Vital Striking won’t be trigger much, you can’t provide bleeding to trigger Serrated Stones (only skill 1 in earth provide it, but you shouldn’t use it at all).
Ya of course some of these will be address in a party. Bleed and Vulnerability. Other will have a hard time even in a party like Bountiful Power (a party could give you 3-5 boons on a regular basis, but not much more). And the dodging problem is still there.
It will probably do more dmg than any other build in theory, but in dungeon i’m really not sure (except maybe some specific situation).
The 04550 build Iris mentioned has the highest dps in theory but in practice it’s nearly impossible to maintain both of the 10% multipliers, which is what i was poking fun at. It’s a nice benchmark but i doubt it ever gets used for anything aside from dps tests on dummies.
Miku, if being practical is a thing then only 66200 or 66002 counts in any situations. But as long as “absolute highest personal DPS” is taken seriously, 04550 is still the answer.
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
The 04550 build Iris mentioned has the highest dps in theory but in practice it’s nearly impossible to maintain both of the 10% multipliers, which is what i was poking fun at. It’s a nice benchmark but i doubt it ever gets used for anything aside from dps tests on dummies.
Miku, if being practical is a thing then only 66200 or 66002 counts in any situations. But as long as “absolute highest personal DPS” is taken seriously, 04550 is still the answer.
I understand the point you’re making, but honestly when and where in any team setting would you be able to pull off 04550?
I’ve actually done dungeon runs with guildmates/friends of mine recently where 5522 was working out well and was situationally best for either me or the other ele. It requires good coordination so it’s bad for pugs, but 04550 is overall just never an option because it not only relies on obscene conditions like somebody pumping out boons for you and never ever needing to dodge and the likes, but you don’t even get the conjurer trait for your LH >.>
I’ve of course heard of this 04550 build before, but what I haven’t heard of is anyone ever using it…
Either way, I give you the benefit of the doubt and I trust that you’re probably right about it being the theoretical optimal build anyways. I hope you don’t get the impression that I’m refusing to admit that I’m wrong because I promise it’s not the case, I just wanted to clarify that what I really meant was that it was the highest personal DPS that is still good to use in group settings, but even that is false unless like I said… hero team. :P
Ask Jerem about how he had carry a sigil of Earth to apply Bleed in CM. 3 Boons were enough to keep up the damage (2 are permanent by the eles). They didn’t even have to dodge when they bursted Turmain to oblivion. 15 charges were just enough to finish the boss.
04550 is also good against the Nightmare Tree.
A variation 05450 was used by [rT] to burst Lupicus (7-8 sec) before the FGS nerf. They could have used 04550 but Zelyhn prefered 5 in Air to keep up full 25 stacks of vuln. The build and the fight were heavily theorized at the time yet still proved possible.
5522 is good in its own right but it means being heavily dependent on the second ele. I also doubt it “highest personal DPS” or even higher than 66200. DEKeyz has calculated effective power of each build for a reason.
66200 has at least 5 trait variances across all the weapons.
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
The 04550 build Iris mentioned has the highest dps in theory but in practice it’s nearly impossible to maintain both of the 10% multipliers, which is what i was poking fun at. It’s a nice benchmark but i doubt it ever gets used for anything aside from dps tests on dummies.
Miku, if being practical is a thing then only 66200 or 66002 counts in any situations. But as long as “absolute highest personal DPS” is taken seriously, 04550 is still the answer.
With the new IB tricks though aren’t you going to use your dodge to trigger that? just a thought.
No. I only see that trick in [SC]‘s latest CM p3 and the one who did it were Tobi and their war(or guard). It’s far more beneficial for the ele to chain Lightning Storm → Ice Bow → Meteor Shower right away. I have tried the trick myself and find position the “Ice Wall” isn’t easy with moving object. Nevertheless, the recent strategy of[SC] is to make use of burst potential of conjured weapons usingTempest Defence. Long fight like the one at the Clown Car in SE p3, 04550 will have better DPS.
“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
easy might stacks, perma fury still, and perma protection makes it so you can miss a dodge or two and be fine.
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