Guild Wars 2

What do u guys think about this?

Fuzzion.2504:

Ele mist form locks you out of utilities (No more #6 healing in Mist form HUGE change)
RTL Changed to be 40 seconds, but if it hits something it will be 20 seconds (Blocks/invul ect count as a hit).
Signet of Restoration passive nerfed slightly.
30 Point trait that removes a condi upon gaining regen will have a 5 second CD (Trait is dead).
Conjure Duration increased (Still useless).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/30th-April-Patch-Update/first

I’m gonna choose another class definatly. this sucks after all the time and money and gold invested on my main toon.

I don’t care about pvp, but healing in mistform is the only thing keeping me alive during high lvl fractals (50+) also putting a 5s cd on the only viable build for the ele is just nonsense. Pls don’t force us to use those (useless) conjure weapons outside AC p1 instead of the cantrip build?
At least give us something else, new options to play the ele.

Why you didn’t touched the guardian? 10-0-30-30-0 condition remove with shouts + soldiers rune, hold the line 28s cd, stand your ground 24s cd, retreat48s cd, every shout removes 2 conditions and transform 1 condi in 1 boon.
Our cantrips recharge in double this time and remove only 1 condition.
Pls reconsider these changes.

This is my personal opinion about this, hope this can help you reconsider these changes.

For now Ele is dead.

Peace

Edit: I don’t u se D/D Ele I use a staff 0 10 0 30 30 Pve Cantrips Ele full soldier armor + figther runes. I use it almost everywhere, dg, WvW, general pve and it was great (altought was the only viable build in my opinion).

Edit: the patch note released right now faded some doubts, but i can’t still think about not using heal with mistform hehe

This is a kittening disaster.
Impossible to kitten up a class more than that.

How the hell is the ele supposed to heal now? This means we will have to run away from battle pretty much as soon as it starts.

VERY disappointing, the ele is already getting destroyed and the first to die in pretty much every situation.

Xillllix.3485:

the ele is already getting destroyed and the first to die in pretty much every situation.

What?

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

Linking a clip of someone who plays full tank build against noobs, doesn`t stop the nerfs ruining the class for those of us that don`t play full tank.

Tank will still be able to tank, but non tank builds will be hit harder by the loss of that some of that vital mobility. Squishier builds might have a slightly harder time popping a good heal. Bunker will won’t really be hit hard by mist form change imo. The cleansing water change does a number to staff support and staff bunker and light damage to condition removal from cantrip spamming.

On the bright side a lot of flavor people might stop playing ele. Although I kind of doubt it, but with all the people saying it’s ruined or they’ll stop playing it, we’re bound to lose a good chunk right?

Oh and stronger signet passives mean signet builds might be back for a few days.
I think some people might start to discover how strong focus is as well, setting it up for future nerfs in a few months. /cynical

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

Lol I know right, and to make matters worst this dude in the video has only 16k lol but effective health is more like 80k.

I do however find it funny then people only play a class because it has the edge and get all booty hurt when the nerf bat starts swinging, I always said play a class that you truly enjoy no matter how kitten they may be because in MMORPG’s things never stay the same, there will be nerfs & buffs for years to come so in the end play what you truly enjoy not the flavor of the month.

Warjin.8942:

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

Lol I know right, and to make matters worst this dude in the video has only 16k lol but effective health is more like 80k.

I do however find it funny then people only play a class because it has the edge and get all booty hurt when the nerf bat starts swinging, I always said play a class that you truly enjoy no matter how kitten they may be because in MMORPG’s things never stay the same, there will be nerfs & buffs for years to come so in the end play what you truly enjoy not the flavor of the month.

Never followed the flavor of the month. I quit D/D after the bunker build went viral. I’ve been playing S/F and S/D, even D/F. I never traited for 30 in water and 30 in arcana. I called for nerfs to the easymode bunker build. I hated it.

This patch hits me far harder than it does to the fotm bunkers. It didn’t nerf what made bunkers strong, it nerfed things common to all elementalists, things that mean more to non-bunker elementalists than bunker ones.

You and so many others are blind to the fact that the elementalist isn’t just an OP bunker. There are many other builds out there, some of which are borderline underpowered or just weak relative to what other classes have. The funny part is that they’re nerfing these other builds harder than the OP one.

Aedil.1296:

I don’t care about pvp, but healing in mistform is the only thing keeping me alive during high lvl fractals (50+) also putting a 5s cd on the only viable build for the ele is just nonsense.

How does that even make any sense? Can’t you just dodge and then heal, like everyone else?

Aedil.1296:

For now Ele is dead.

See you next week.

Staff works. Support/Bunker/Glass AoE/Condi-tank

Scepter works. Support/Tank/Glass Cond

Focus works really well too.

Anything else?

Navzar.2938:

Oh and stronger signet passives mean signet builds might be back for a few days.
I think some people might start to discover how strong focus is as well, setting it up for future nerfs in a few months. /cynical

You can make an almost endless-dodge signet condition build using arcane energy, written in stone, signet mastery, and 6x rune of the adventurer. Its really fun to play dodging every 4 seconds and popping evasive arcana, in addition to the signet skills and your weapons skills. I would like to see someone who is good with ele try it (I am par with my best efforts).

Dat focus (No trolling. Dead Serious)

Aedil.1296:

What do u guys think about this?

Fuzzion.2504:

Ele mist form locks you out of utilities (No more #6 healing in Mist form HUGE change)
RTL Changed to be 40 seconds, but if it hits something it will be 20 seconds (Blocks/invul ect count as a hit).
Signet of Restoration passive nerfed slightly.
30 Point trait that removes a condi upon gaining regen will have a 5 second CD (Trait is dead).
Conjure Duration increased (Still useless).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/30th-April-Patch-Update/first

I’m gonna choose another class definatly. this sucks after all the time and money and gold invested on my main toon.

I don’t care about pvp, but healing in mistform is the only thing keeping me alive during high lvl fractals (50+) also putting a 5s cd on the only viable build for the ele is just nonsense. Pls don’t force us to use those (useless) conjure weapons outside AC p1 instead of the cantrip build?
At least give us something else, new options to play the ele.

Why you didn’t touched the guardian? 10-0-30-30-0 condition remove with shouts + soldiers rune, hold the line 28s cd, stand your ground 24s cd, retreat48s cd, every shout removes 2 conditions and transform 1 condi in 1 boon.
Our cantrips recharge in double this time and remove only 1 condition.
Pls reconsider these changes.

This is my personal opinion about this, hope this can help you reconsider these changes.

For now Ele is dead.

Peace

lol, what a quitter….I switched from the standard 0/10/0/30/30 D/D build to S/F 20/20/30/0/0 just for lulz and it suprisingly makes for a great mid range condi build if you use signets. I use cleric/invader armor with shaman trinks and I’m havin a ton of fun with it even if I can’t survive all of the 1vX fights like I used to. For the whiners that need an invuln ability to get their heal off(which is so unbelievable to me how many of you there are) use Focus 5 for a 4 sec invuln, and you can still have your mist form/panic button on top of that. I’ve literally been using just signet of water for condition cleansing the last few days and I’ve had no problem on that front.

The biggest problem with the proposed nerf (lacking any other information about it) is that it’s going to murder staff ele’s, hinder S/D ele’s, and barely slow down the D/D spec.

Since anyone with any honesty knows that D/D has WAY too much going for it, a nerf to D/D should have been expected. I was thinking they’d seriously hit the healing power scaling on the dagger skills – but hey, I want other viable builds, not just bunkers.

I really hate that RTL will be 40 second timer now.

About all it’s gonna do is slow me down getting around doing the dailies. Havin trouble finding stuff to do anymore

If these nerfs take place, buh bye ele. And probably the game. Us normal non-speed- hacking ele’s whom actually die when on equal ground and a good player, will hit like wet noodles with no decent 1v1 competition anymore. It will just enable other classes to fear us less and dance on our corpses.

I for one, can’t wait for ESO.

haha and they’re crying about this rofl look at how many nerfs and broken skills mez got since launch..

Good that I now get punished for not playing a bunker build. I built around condition DMG (hybrid build), using Asura Racials (Pain Inverter and Radiation Field) for WvW.

My survivability was mainly based on given Weapon Skill Heals and Ether Renewal in Mist Form to remove conditions and heal up without being interrupted… The rest was timed dodging via Sigil of Energy and sometimes escaping by using RTL (what is necessary if you don’t play bunker – lack of healing power + not using cantrips except for Mist Form, less Regen, less Condi Removal, less stun breakers etc.).

So:
- Confusion nerfed (Pain Inverter with its 3 stacks of confusion will be rather useless)
- Retaliation nerfed (Pain Inverter again)
- Mist Form nerfed (can’t use Ether Renewal in Mist Form)
- Sigil of Energy nerfed
- RTL nerfed again (so I also wont get the distance to cast Ether Renewal that easily, apart from CCing the enemy and run away – hoping he/she doesn’t break CC somehow)
- I’m quite sure there will be other nerfs too hitting hybrids more than bunkers.

So, what’s left in my case is a broken build and the waste of time for me, that I farmed my ascended gear and other equip for exactly this build.

They managed to destroy my survivability and nerf my dmg output at the same time in the attempt to nerf the bunker cantrip ele. And I’m quite sure I’m not the only “hybrid ele” affected by these nerfs.

The funny thing is, that this will drive many hybrids into the bunker build, instead of making exactly those other builds who need help viable.

I really think the bunker build needed attention. But nerfing skills and traits that are more important to hybrids than to a bunker is not the way to do it.

For me this means dusting my condi equip, jumping on the bunker train when using D/D and the rest of the time fulfill my healer role with staff… Oh wait, isn’t that one of the roles non existent in this game…?

Well I’m sure they will nerf healing too quite soon… And then?

LightningBlaze.4913:

Ele along with the other professions will never be unplayable or useless. The only ones that will give up on this profession are the following: Bad players that depend on others to learn how to play this profession and those that depend on a single build to be “good” at pvp/pve.

I never said anything about quitting ele (that’s my main and it will always be).

Still this nerf didn’t address the bunker build in an efficient way. It nerfed hybrids more (that would be those players not relying on a single build and figuring out their own).

Those players will keep on trying to find other viable builds, even though they get laughed at for using so called “non viable” builds – just for not using bunker.

But on a certain point, when they farmed all variations of equip for WvW and PvE to adapt to those strange patches hitting them, when all possibilities to go different than bunker are taken away, they will give up and move to the build most “viable”.

And guess which build this still is, thanks to failed balancing attemtps.

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

As if that video proves anything…

I want a vid of a D/D Elementalist doing Fotm 55+ and staying alive while also doing a lot of damage on Dredge or Grawl Fractal. Then try again after the patch to see the difference.

It’s funny how whenever someone posts a thread about how important the nerfs are, someone else posts a WvW video about someone finding underleveled total noobs or talks about how good those Eles are in PVP, yet I’ve seen absolutely no proof by anyone about how OP they are in 50+ fotm, or any dungeon, yet these nerfs affect PVE and Dungeons as well.

Rayti.6531:

So, what’s left in my case is a broken build and the waste of time for me, that I farmed my ascended gear and other equip for exactly this build.

I am glad I went with celestial gear on the pieces I did get so far, and will make due with getting only celestials, as any build I use I am sure will eventually get destroyed by the nerf-hammer. At least the celestial gear is usable anywhere, but optimal nowhere – kinda like they want the ele to be.

Finallyyyy.. Eles getting nerfed so hard xD
This pleases me.

Nahan.5043:

Finallyyyy.. Eles getting nerfed so hard xD
This pleases me.

It’s nothing major. Don’t be surprised when you still see bunker eles dominating other professions primarily because of their constant heals.

You guys can deny the evidence the video provides all you want but, I dare you to show me any other class in a video doing near the same.

Can we please take a step back and just stop being so melodramatic? The changes aren’t even in the game yet.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I was not referring to you.

And I didn’t want to answer in an agressive way or anything similar to it (if it came out that way, sorry for that). I just wanted to point out, that not all of us are QQing and rage quitting because of a single nerf, but rather trying to deal with it, find work arounds, etc.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I never been laughed at for using this along with other successful eles builds. Quite the opposite, I gotten admired for not using the popular bunker build or the weapon type and even been taken as a challenge from various opponents in duels across servers in wvw.

I share your experience when it comes to actively using the build and others seing it being viable (both in PvE and WvW). I never had people actiually running with me in a group telling me my build was not viable, more the contrary.

Those laughing at my build were mostly narrow minded bunker users not even trying other builds. It was mainly the initial reaction to me saying “I use a condition dmg build” – “Whaaaaat? Lol, D/D bunker is the only way to go. You have no idea, n00b, etc.”

I guess that mainly happens if you meet the wrong people (trolls jumping to the most “viable” builds out there until they get nerfed and hop to the next). There are some of those on German servers.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I don’t know what you refer to as “viable” but I do really well with this build in pve/spvp and specially in wvw.

That’s why I wrote viable in quotes – citing the trolls. I personally think that most builds can be viable, when used for the right role and knowing what role you want to play in group play.

This guy actually runs dps build.

Please try to stay on topic and say your thought in a polite and constructive way guys, just share your feeling respecting others

And if you’re thinking of a new build pls share, i’ll give at least a try before passing to easy breezy beautiful guardian/mesmer play.

Aedil.1296:

What do u guys think about this?

Fuzzion.2504:

….
30 Point trait that removes a condi upon gaining regen will have a 5 second CD (Trait is dead).

Anyone who thinks Cleansing Water is dead because of a small 5s internal cd is someone whose opinion I simply can’t take seriously.

That is what I think. Cleansing Wave has an 11.375s minimum cd and that doesn’t stop anyone from taking that trait.

PistolWhip.2697:

You guys can deny the evidence the video provides all you want but, I dare you to show me any other class in a video doing near the same.

You are/were a thief. I am sure you have hard of Yishi and his uber-owning videos. Just search gw2 thief outnumbered commentary. Many other professions can do similar against bad and upleveled players, especially when they are as good as daphoenix using LoS tactics and understanding his class. Excala also has other videos that show him just surviving barely, but never downing anyone.

PistolWhip.2697:

You guys can deny the evidence the video provides all you want but, I dare you to show me any other class in a video doing near the same.

Can we please take a step back and just stop being so melodramatic? The changes aren’t even in the game yet.

Not sure if trolling or just dumb. That video showcases a highly experienced player, running a spec build around pure survival, kiting 5 terribads.

If you really wanna see something truly broken, try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRcTKt47ixk

I guess nobody can deny this build is easily capable of escaping even dozens of terribads, and on top of that has the tools to actually kill stuff, even when outnumbered against players that are of decent quality.

If you -after watching that video- still believe D/D Ele is ANYWHERE NEAR the kitten brokenness of D/P Thief, then by all means, consider seeking professional help. May be something the ANet balancing department might wanna think about as well.

so are you guys quitting the game or rerolling to another class?

AlBundy.7851:

so are you guys quitting the game or rerolling to another class?

For now, tea bagging people on my thief. If RTL nerf doesn’t get reverted or compensated for with other roaming tools and/or they really decide to rework sigil of battle, I’m gone I guess.

makku.2508:

AlBundy.7851:

so are you guys quitting the game or rerolling to another class?

For now, tea bagging people on my thief. If RTL nerf doesn’t get reverted or compensated for with other roaming tools and/or they really decide to rework sigil of battle, I’m gone I guess.

Well, you’ve already lost your $60…

I agree but the wonderful thing about this game is that it’s fairly easy to level and get exotic gear for new toons. I’ll just shelve my ele until they add some changes that make me want to play it again and learn something new in the meantime.

maddoctor.2738:

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

As if that video proves anything…

undeniably, it proves bunker build survivability and how much a bunker Ele has to struggle to kill even one foe.

You guys do realize that most of these nerfs will probably be pvp only right?

First off i agree that ele survivability is too strong but with that being said bunker eles rarely ever down and kill ppl in a zerg its just hit (more like poke) and run. Nothing to lose ones mind over.

As for other classes… Only other classes that I have actually seen videos of handling zergs or moderate sized groups are mesmers and thieves. In some cases they don’t even have to use bunker builds.

Mesma vids (No thief vids cuz i find the mesmer vids more exciting ;D)

This Warr vid is pretty awesome (more of a group effort but w/e)

Edit: Sorry for double post lagging/ Server error

so…u use a staff….and are complaining about not being able to heal? i could understand complaining if D/D but staff, really?

the issue is people don t read forum, they hear something and they distort it to unbelieavable levels….

A couple of information should be stickied:

-quote by dev “The ele is the PvP extremely powerful at evasion right now. But even then, he bleeds into WvW, he is adamantly not useful in PvE as a damage mitigator.”

-Cantrip build at wich nerf was aimed is S/D 0/0/10/30/30…
It hit D/D zerker and balanced builds along with www staff

-daphoenix, the player who made the build popular, said D/D ele could just take away some aggro from the zerg, but suggested to go Staff.
He also play a mesmer now.

Rayti.6531:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Ele along with the other professions will never be unplayable or useless. The only ones that will give up on this profession are the following: Bad players that depend on others to learn how to play this profession and those that depend on a single build to be “good” at pvp/pve.

I never said anything about quitting ele (that’s my main and it will always be).

Still this nerf didn’t address the bunker build in an efficient way. It nerfed hybrids more (that would be those players not relying on a single build and figuring out their own).

Those players will keep on trying to find other viable builds, even though they get laughed at for using so called “non viable” builds – just for not using bunker.

But on a certain point, when they farmed all variations of equip for WvW and PvE to adapt to those strange patches hitting them, when all possibilities to go different than bunker are taken away, they will give up and move to the build most “viable”.

And guess which build this still is, thanks to failed balancing attemtps.

i agree with u on this.this whole major update is killing a ton of builds and pushing everyone to the same builds, which i think is a joke.
everyone should have the choice to use the build they want and every build should still be strong.After the patch all u gonna see is bunker eles and shatter mesmers which by the way are gonna crit hit u for 6 to 8 k easily, but hey anet u nerfed confusion to the ground and all mesmers will go to dps now.
same with eles cmon double the cooldown of rtl is over the top!Who is in charge of all these numbers?

they majorlt nerf 2 classes and overly buff other while buffing the thieves again!does anet all play thieves?

I don’t get to high or low when patches come out, with games like these I expect changes. People complaining about classes constantly or people finding a combination of skills that blend together so well they become OP. Sometimes changes are made without much thought we have seen this with many games. This community has several very good players and they will always find a powerful build type for every profession.

All I know if I love playing Ele have been playing Ele since GW1, I will find another build if needed or manipulate my current one into something else using other traits. Unless they remove Ele’s completely I will always play one as my primary.

If you play an Elementalist because of a specific build/skills then you never loved the class in the first place. I read the changes and find nothing that will break the class.

Rayti.6531:

LightningBlaze.4913:

I was not referring to you.

And I didn’t want to answer in an agressive way or anything similar to it (if it came out that way, sorry for that). I just wanted to point out, that not all of us are QQing and rage quitting because of a single nerf, but rather trying to deal with it, find work arounds, etc.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I never been laughed at for using this along with other successful eles builds. Quite the opposite, I gotten admired for not using the popular bunker build or the weapon type and even been taken as a challenge from various opponents in duels across servers in wvw.

I share your experience when it comes to actively using the build and others seing it being viable (both in PvE and WvW). I never had people actiually running with me in a group telling me my build was not viable, more the contrary.

Those laughing at my build were mostly narrow minded bunker users not even trying other builds. It was mainly the initial reaction to me saying “I use a condition dmg build” – “Whaaaaat? Lol, D/D bunker is the only way to go. You have no idea, n00b, etc.”

I guess that mainly happens if you meet the wrong people (trolls jumping to the most “viable” builds out there until they get nerfed and hop to the next). There are some of those on German servers.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I don’t know what you refer to as “viable” but I do really well with this build in pve/spvp and specially in wvw.

That’s why I wrote viable in quotes – citing the trolls. I personally think that most builds can be viable, when used for the right role and knowing what role you want to play in group play.

I didn’t take it as an aggressive way and didn’t mean to reply in that matter either. Sorry If It came out that way too, a lot of times written words can be taken on a different tone that it was intended. I just consider the 0/10/0/30/30 or 0/0/10/30/30 to be extremely boring and very forgiving. You can make all sort of mistakes and misuse of the ele skills and still be perfectly fine primarily because of the various and constant heals, condition removal at your disposal. Even the person that made this build popular makes all sort of mistakes at times (I do consider him a skillful player by the way because he does use various concepts and tactics towards his advantage unlike many others that simply button mash on this build or just use one or two strategies/pattern). Compared to other builds or other professions where the same type of mistakes can cost you at least a large chunk of unrecoverable health that can you put you on a very tight spot.

P.S: Originally, I was replying to the op topic sentence “ele is dead”

Yummy sweet ele tears. Sooo delicious. So as an ele you got spoiled with having ummm…… every advantage. Tanky, dps, powerful AoE’s, mobility, heals, boons out the kitten and really no down side AT ALL. Now that the playing field is being leveled a bit some of you want to quit? The good players will adjust.

I honestly think Anet will lose a significant amount of players over this nerf. 40 sec cooldown on rtl with DRASTICALLY decreased ranged = GG mobility (even in PvE and WvW).

Next time think before you nerf anet. At least give us something in return before crippling us.

Zogyark.4597:

If you play an Elementalist because of a specific build/skills then you never loved the class in the first place. I read the changes and find nothing that will break the class.

Exactly, It is nothing major. The only time when bunker/healer eles will be hit hard is when their constant and various heals get nerf. I do see this type of nerf coming on future patches.

Gravy.7589:

Yummy sweet ele tears. Sooo delicious. So as an ele you got spoiled with having ummm…… every advantage. Tanky, dps, powerful AoE’s, mobility, heals, boons out the kitten and really no down side AT ALL. Now that the playing field is being leveled a bit some of you want to quit? The good players will adjust.

While I agree good players will always adjust, your argument boils down to looking at the class as a 30/30/30/30/30 build, and thus will never be taken seriously.

ele is death now. Just accept it.
Let’s go warrior!

Jabberwock.9014:

I honestly think Anet will lose a significant amount of players over this nerf. 40 sec cooldown on rtl with DRASTICALLY decreased ranged = GG mobility (even in PvE and WvW).

Next time think before you nerf anet. At least give us something in return before crippling us.

The range on it was a bug, so really we have all just been enjoying more movement then we should have been. The nerf isn’t that bad, I just wish they would have fixed the many issues with using this ability before adding this CD (hitting invisible walls/rocks and not moving, traveling THROUGH your target even though he didn’t move, MISSING your target because they moved 2 inches to the left – walked 2 inches, not dodged, etc…).