Guild Wars 2

If two equally skilled players play these classes an duel in WvW assuming necro is condition and ele is d/d, who would win?

Thanks.

Necro at the current meta

If both are “equally skilled” I call it a draw.

If Necro has Minions Ele will never win, it will be fight 4 vs 1 (2 if u use elite but our Elite sucks big time compared to Necros)

Necro will probably have 17-18K HP and tanky like hell, to be able to kill them quickly you have to go glass because an attrition war will be won from Necro.

With the minions there will be around 40K HP that you have melt, you really don’t want to know how long it will take an Ele to dish that much damage, during which Necro will send you Condi Nukes against which you will spend all your time with cleanses (Spite, Corrupt Boon, Terror Combos, any one).

It is really no fun, they should really revert the nerfs also on healing ripple and Evasive Arcana, with the sustain I have in WvWvW I can beat them but not in sPVP.

It largely depends on the specs. If the ele is running Diamond Skin and the necro is all in on condi damage, the ele will have an easy win. However, an ele without Diamond Skin will just melt to Corrupt Boon, Signet of Spite, and Dhuumfire if both are playing at equal levels.

Corrupt Boon + Signet of Spite will eat an Ele alive.

Diamond Skin is no solution also, one charge from Necro’s Elite will bring you under %90 then DS is worthless and don’t tell me out of 4 Minions that Necro has ,I have to look for it and dodge.

As takecare said – due to low inherent health of an ele, you will die horribly against conditions if you have no diamond skin. Signet of spite will probably take you to 1/4 life. It’s impossoble for you to keep up with condition removal.

Same applies against any condition spamming class. No way to win if they’re decent.

If you have diamond skin you should win though, unless they drop you below 90 % in which case it becomes extremely hard.

Again a case where the low hp levels of the ele directly cripple it compared to everyone else.

1v1 , the necro will win. WvW.

But many necros are useless so a good number are fun kills.

posthumecaver.6473:

If Necro has Minions Ele will never win, it will be fight 4 vs 1 (2 if u use elite but our Elite sucks big time compared to Necros)

Necro will probably have 17-18K HP and tanky like hell, to be able to kill them quickly you have to go glass because an attrition war will be won from Necro.

With the minions there will be around 40K HP that you have melt, you really don’t want to know how long it will take an Ele to dish that much damage, during which Necro will send you Condi Nukes against which you will spend all your time with cleanses (Spite, Corrupt Boon, Terror Combos, any one).

It is really no fun, they should really revert the nerfs also on healing ripple and Evasive Arcana, with the sustain I have in WvWvW I can beat them but not in sPVP.

MM necros are the easiest necros for Ele. Power necros can 2-3 shot Ele and condi necros, well kitten you Signet of Spite.

posthumecaver.6473:

If Necro has Minions Ele will never win, it will be fight 4 vs 1 (2 if u use elite but our Elite sucks big time compared to Necros)

Necro will probably have 17-18K HP and tanky like hell, to be able to kill them quickly you have to go glass because an attrition war will be won from Necro.

With the minions there will be around 40K HP that you have melt, you really don’t want to know how long it will take an Ele to dish that much damage, during which Necro will send you Condi Nukes against which you will spend all your time with cleanses (Spite, Corrupt Boon, Terror Combos, any one).

It is really no fun, they should really revert the nerfs also on healing ripple and Evasive Arcana, with the sustain I have in WvWvW I can beat them but not in sPVP.

What build can use minions, spite, cb both at the same time? The secret 2 skill bar build?

It largely depends on so many factors in this scenario.. Both have equal chances to win if necro have full life force and the Ele can provide constant high burst pressure while avoiding getting feared and signet conditions. I have tested with a few very skillful necros from BG and jq that very rarely lose on 1v1.

If you’re beating the necro on an ele, i wouldn’t say they’re ‘very skillful’.

My friend played a condi necro before he switched to power, and ate elementalists up. It’s so easy to land a signet of spite and keep people feared with 28k health, then a full deathshroud to get through.

But let me guess, all the ele’s he beat just weren’t that good… :/

It depends. If the ele has diamond skin, you can kill the necro pretty easily as long as you pay attention to what you’re doing. S/D and S/F burst builds can take out a necro as well.. Necro doesn’t have the sustain to live through it if you land your burst perfectly.

A necro in wvw, with full deathshroud is terrifying. The are way stronger than in pvp (which could be pretty even) thanks to food and a STRONGER dhuumfire.

A necro with no deathshroud should be easily killed though. You will get through a large portion of your health just keeping them cc’d.

Most necros are bad, and stack multiple marks on top of one another. Just dodge into them and you’ve rendered them 100% useless.

Before the past few months of changes, it would have been an extremely long and drawn out battle that would only end when one player made a dumb mistake. Now, the d/d ele better have Diamond Skin on just to hard counter this one match-up or they will get bursted down (a simple 2-3-4-5 on the necromancer staff is almost enough for a conditionmancer to down an ele if all of the hits somehow connect).

On the subject of the Flesh Golem’s Charge, the battle may as well be a coin flip, because Charge is hard to dodge in time if it works, but the golem gets stuck on every pebble in the ground.

K going ele thanks everyone.

As a since launch necro main, and long time solo roamer on necro, I’m here to tell you don’t put to much faith in diamond skin. Yes it well allow you to brutalize nubie necros, but the smart ones will just go into death shroud and Life Blast through diamond skin. At 1200 damage a hit even on a full condi spec it only takes 2-3 hits with Life Blast to take off Diamond skin. In general from a necro point of view once you break an eles DS they panic, stop really attacking you and try to clear condis and heal, but at that point its to late.

If I find a skilled DD ele that is tougher to break down DS on, I’ll just swap on Lich form which hits for around 2k on a condi spec and do the same thing.

I really enjoy my ele and play it almost as much as my necro but … my ele wouldent beat my zerker or my condi necro builds without help. Ele cant come close to the kind of sustained pressure a necro can dish out. Better spike damage sure but even a zerker necro can eat a couple 9k hits and still have enough HP/DeathShroud to kill the ele.

warrior

Standard 30 spite dhuumfire condition build necros it is no contest. Neco>Ele.

The thing with 30 spite condition necros is that they are usually squishy. I run 30 in death magic so I sit at 2.8k armor the key is to burn through deathshroud asap. The problem that people have is they run -condition duration food which is essentially deciding to tank vs damage. So you are locked in a attrition fight with a attrition designed class. Ele’s can play attrition and you can draw a condition necro in clerics for lulz.

The best way to kill a condition necro on any class is to do it as fast as possible.

Generally speaking though a necro especially with focus(which is what I run) will crush a ele knocking off vital boons with spinal shivers every 16-20 seconds, That one skill gives me 9 seconds of chill ripping 3 boons it’s so good I sacrifice a condition transfer for it.

Necromancers and guardians are kind of polar opposites both can counter each other. Necromancers manipulates boons guardian makes boons and can from conditions. Elementalist relies on boons heavily so he gets eaten up by necro.

An average player playing ANY class vs an average player playing Ele = the Ele will lose.

It’s not even discussion-worthy lol. Ele’s have to play on a whole other level to compete with players of any class.

LightningBlaze.4913:

It largely depends on so many factors in this scenario.. Both have equal chances to win if necro have full life force and the Ele can provide constant high burst pressure while avoiding getting feared and signet conditions. I have tested with a few very skillful necros from BG and jq that very rarely lose on 1v1.

Well did you win? And what builds were the necro running?

phaeris.7604:

If you’re beating the necro on an ele, i wouldn’t say they’re ‘very skillful’.

My friend played a condi necro before he switched to power, and ate elementalists up. It’s so easy to land a signet of spite and keep people feared with 28k health, then a full deathshroud to get through.

But let me guess, all the ele’s he beat just weren’t that good… :/

No, I wouldn’t say that. The eles he defeated might have been good with the build they used. More likely a 0/0/0/30/30 variant right?. Those builds against an equally skilled necro will eat Ele alive like you friend did even if the duration of the encounter last. A good necro needs to be pressured with burst at all/most of the times while avoiding their main beneficial skills for the Ele to stand a chance.

Lightning is correct and this doesn’t matter what class you play the only one I say that can lockhorns with necro over a more extended period is a warrior.

You blow up the necro with damage that is why s/x is much better at fighting a necro then d/d because d/d has to go through marks where as the s/x might not have to.

Condition builds are attrition even if a necro can kill in 10 seconds it is a few skills that did that.

Example on my necro would be optimal

F1,3,2,5,

Weapon swap to staff

5,3,2,1

f1,4

Anything left finish it off with scepter auto attacks.

That should be enough to kill someone finish off with just looking at that is not exactly burst. You can do this fast but it also requires a afk person with nothing ready to escape or cleanse.

On my necro I have never found myself seeing Eles as a threat but the ones that have been the most dangerous are fresh air S/x eles.

Necro will win by far if they’re equally skilled.

a necro will win even without SoS or dumbfire.