Guild Wars 2

Hi all,

All is in the title.

I’ve an Elem and I love her but I don’t know if she can be viable in roaming whithout the celestial stuff…What do you think about that?

I mained necro but the class became too much popular and faceroll IMO, so I became elementalist lol. I’m still a beginner in elementalism and I’m a little bit puzzled about my elem. She’s quite hard to play and really interesting, but I can’t pay her the celestial set.

Thank you for your attenton and your future answers!

Ele is more faceroll than necro. Please please please go back to necro. Nobody wants more DD eles.

Lovely.

Who said that I play DD?

Actually I like to play staff and S/F. I also like DD but less often than staff, even in solo roaming.

I forgot to say that I need informations for a build in general. I like all the elem’s weapons, and I like to change them really often… I hope a stuff can cover all the differents builds =)

Welcome to the class, hope you enjoy it

There are various threads and videos around this forum that might help, best to read/watch them to get some build ideas, then play a bunch.

Almost everything’s pretty faceroll in this game at its skillcap, especially Ele.

Anyway, in the defense of Teef (…Teef Teef Teef…), most Eles running Celestial are running D/D. If you’re running Scepter, you’re usually Berserker burst. There are a few who run Celestial Staff but those are honestly so rare compared to Celestial D/D that it’s generally a pretty fair assumption that if someone says they’re playing Cele-Ele, they’re playing Cele-DD-Ele. And even then, each class’ playstyle is so different depending on the weapon set they choose, especially for Ele. If you mainly want Staff advice, you should probably state you play Staff Ele.

Anyway, Staff Ele likes Celestial gear arguably even more than D/D does, so better get started on those quartz crystals. >.> You can run something else, but Celestial just does it so well for Ele.

To answer the question in the title. In PvE and WvW, Ele is viable without Celestial because you can customize it with food/consumable/friends. In SPvP, d/d Ele is not really viable without Celestial.

Welcome to the class!

Ele doesn’t NEED celestial to be viable, by any means. In fact, in wvw, you are often better picking and choosing various pieces of equipment to get the stats you want. Celestial is good in pvp b/c it gives pretty good survivability (toughness, vitality, and healing power) and can might-stack to make up for its lacking power. If celes. amulet didn’t exist, ele would still do pretty well with something like valkyrie’s amulet. Valk’s is better offensively b/c it is power-main, but the crit. damage is kinda wasted as you rely on fury to crit mostly. Valk’s also doesn’t have any vit so is slightly more susceptible to condis. Regardless, you can do just fine with valk’s, and even soldiers in pvp. If you want to go glass, there are some builds that work with zerk, but not really d/d. Glass staff is REALLY fun to play, and has to be played COMPLETELY different from any other ele build.

In PvE and WvW I only run a few pieces of celestial, as I’d rather not have all the vit and condi damage it gives you, and instead focus on more power, toughness, and crits. Especially if running in a group in wvw, you want to be more focused on what you do well (power damage) and leave the condi damage to condi-specs that will have burn and bleed stacks that tick much higher than yours. Toughness is also more valuable in large fights (so that your water-field regroups healing is more effective), and really helps when a thief/mesmer is trying to focus you. A mix of soldiers, knights, and cavalier’s is still a great thing for eles in wvw. As a rule of thumb, shoot for at least 15k health and around 1600 toughness. Beyond that you want to get close to 2k power, and shoot for more crit damage over precision as you will have high fury uptime.

Sunshine.5014:

To answer the question in the title. In PvE and WvW, Ele is viable without Celestial because you can customize it with food/consumable/friends. In SPvP, d/d Ele is not really viable without Celestial.

Welcome to the class!

^^ What Sunshine said. I’d also like to add that regardless of which game mode you want to play in, it really really depends on your team composition. You can get away with going more on the damage side if you and your team mates play styles and professions and builds have great synergy. Not to mention great strategy and the ability to quickly comprehend changes and adapt to those changes.

Leinhart.2981:

I’ve an Elem and I love her but I don’t know if she can be viable in roaming whithout the celestial stuff…What do you think about that?

Ele is my favorite WvW alt, and I’m toggling staff-scepter/focus. None of them require celestial if you ask me. Roaming/havocing I’m running s/f fresh air (which is dps crit based), and according to the forums, some have fun roaming with s/f condi.

I started out leveling with d/d, but got stuck on scepter early on. The range suits me.

Edit: spelling.

I think you should be happy that celestial is the thing. This means crafting only one ascended set of gear (armor, weps, trinkets).

Elitist.8701:

Ele is more faceroll than necro. Please please please go back to necro. Nobody wants more DD eles.

Your little anti-DD crusade is frankly quite pathetic. You’re entitled to having your own opinion, but ramming it down every newbie’s throat is absurd.

My s/f solo roaming loadout has been having a lot of success as I get better. Mostly zerk with soldier and knight. 16k health, 2.2k armor, 50% crit chance, 199% crit damage.

air/fire, pack, autotarget ON!, learned that from lightningblaze

It is most definitely viable. I have full celestial at the moment for wvw but I cannot live without 25% speed movement so I’m not using rune of strength or hoelbrak. Without these runes to add power I hit like a wet noodle until the might starts stacking. Therefore I had started swapping out all the celestial gears for a tankier build with combo of soldier, knight and cavalier for 1.9k power, 2.7k armor and 17k hp. It disregards condi and heal stats so I do not know how well it will play out.

Ok so can I use a non celestial armor with for example celestial gears or all without celestial is also viable?

I’ll have to chose a new gear soon and I want to do the best choice =) (Probably a ring ^^)

He clearly said that that this was for his elementalist in roaming. Eles being faceroll is a statement that applies moreso in PvP than WvW and they aren’t even close to being the best 1v1 class in that aspect.

PU Condi and glass mesmers wreck D/D ele, condi necro and even power necro can wreck ele. Certain rarely used warrior builds can destroy D/D ele. Condi pew pew thieves can destroy it. Probably even condi rangers too and condi engineers.

Only reason why they are considered OP in PvP is because the objective of the game is to hold points and this is what a D/D ele does best. A GS mesmer isn’t holding a point through stealth or 1,200 range. And most of the builds that can actually beat a D/D ele aren’t viable in tPvP in general because they bring close to nothing to a team. Plus a D/D ele really shines in team combat with all the heals, fire fields and AoE damage they put out.

But to answer your question Leinhart, you don’t have to go celestial. I suggest you watch some videos and try out an S/D or an S/F ele for roaming. It probably is a little bit more difficult than D/D (although not by too much IMO) but it is actually really fun. You don’t have to invest in celestial gear, you can go some combination of Berserker/Cavalier/Soldier. Soloing camps can be a problem (not as much with S/D but S/F is pretty horrid while D/D is arguably the best at soloing camps). But I had a lot of fun with it when I first tried it, and pretty good success too. the burst is powerful and most don’t see it coming.

Also, if you really want to, with other builds such as staff and D/D, you can run with all celestial trinkets and use whatever stat you want with the armor. This allows you more control over what stats you want to prioritize over others and isn’t really different from running full celestial. In WvW, because it is easier to min/max stats, celestial is not even necessary at all nor does it give you a distinct advantage over others, or handicap yourself if you aren’t using it.

When people talk about celestial Eles, they mostly talk about PvP because it gives them the best balance of damage and tankiness. Because if you take a Knights Amulet, you lack HP, and you don’t get any critical damage or condi damage. If you take a Barbarian Amulet or a Berserker Amulet, you have next to no toughness. A celestial amulet gives the Ele nearly the survivability of a Soldier’s amulet while having attaining damage only second to a Berserker Amulet.

killahmayne.9518:

He clearly said that that this was for his elementalist in roaming. Eles being faceroll is a statement that applies moreso in PvP than WvW and they aren’t even close to being the best 1v1 class in that aspect.

PU Condi and glass mesmers wreck D/D ele, condi necro and even power necro can wreck ele. Certain rarely used warrior builds can destroy D/D ele. Condi pew pew thieves can destroy it. Probably even condi rangers too and condi engineers.

Only reason why they are considered OP in PvP is because the objective of the game is to hold points and this is what a D/D ele does best. A GS mesmer isn’t holding a point through stealth or 1,200 range. And most of the builds that can actually beat a D/D ele aren’t viable in tPvP in general because they bring close to nothing to a team. Plus a D/D ele really shines in team combat with all the heals, fire fields and AoE damage they put out.

But to answer your question Leinhart, you don’t have to go celestial. I suggest you watch some videos and try out an S/D or an S/F ele for roaming. It probably is a little bit more difficult than D/D (although not by too much IMO) but it is actually really fun. You don’t have to invest in celestial gear, you can go some combination of Berserker/Cavalier/Soldier. Soloing camps can be a problem (not as much with S/D but S/F is pretty horrid while D/D is arguably the best at soloing camps). But I had a lot of fun with it when I first tried it, and pretty good success too. the burst is powerful and most don’t see it coming.

Also, if you really want to, with other builds such as staff and D/D, you can run with all celestial trinkets and use whatever stat you want with the armor. This allows you more control over what stats you want to prioritize over others and isn’t really different from running full celestial. In WvW, because it is easier to min/max stats, celestial is not even necessary at all nor does it give you a distinct advantage over others, or handicap yourself if you aren’t using it.

When people talk about celestial Eles, they mostly talk about PvP because it gives them the best balance of damage and tankiness. Because if you take a Knights Amulet, you lack HP, and you don’t get any critical damage or condi damage. If you take a Barbarian Amulet or a Berserker Amulet, you have next to no toughness. A celestial amulet gives the Ele nearly the survivability of a Soldier’s amulet while having attaining damage only second to a Berserker Amulet.

You are one of the few who understand cele ele strength and the hold back of the conquest mode. The game needs new pvp modes.

try valk.

Ele is viable without celestial, cele is just noob thing to use….

one of my favourite builds is glasscannon staff ele, you’ve got to try and sneak up on the fight because you’re so ridiculously squishy, but if you can get your spells off then EVERYONE dies
5k meteors, 3k lava font and 3k fireballs all pummelling the area at the same time,
i use blasting staff too so it covers the entire point.
my favourite time is when people try to rezz through it XD
corpses corpses corpses!

i’d try to do evrything to keep you off cele gear, you might consider using like a part of your gear with it but plz no more than that! full cele ele is just boring, to high surviveability and low crits due to low power. yea eventually you will be able to kill almost all of them in a 1v1 cause of the amount of HPS you bring up when going cele ele, however going cavalier/zerker combi or something gives to much more satisfaction. please just stay away from the cele meta and try out every single armor on them! from10k+ crits on meteorshowers to 2500hps party support to being able to down alot of enemy players in less then half a second. ele has alot to offer but don’t become one of those celestial scrubs

the krytan assassin.9235:

i’d try to do evrything to keep you off cele gear, you might consider using like a part of your gear with it but plz no more than that! full cele ele is just boring, to high surviveability and low crits due to low power. yea eventually you will be able to kill almost all of them in a 1v1 cause of the amount of HPS you bring up when going cele ele, however going cavalier/zerker combi or something gives to much more satisfaction. please just stay away from the cele meta and try out every single armor on them! from10k+ crits on meteorshowers to 2500hps party support to being able to down alot of enemy players in less then half a second. ele has alot to offer but don’t become one of those celestial scrubs

There’s a couple things I disagree with:

1. “low crits due to low power” — celestial has high +crit damage which makes them hit hard. It’s also easy to get fury and might as an elementalist which compensates for the relatively lower power and precision.

2. “high survivability” — this actually comes from the build. Yes celestial is more tanky than full zerks, but what isn’t? Soldiers is more survival.

I do agree 100% on your play with what gives you the most satisfaction point.

well i meant the standard cele build (since i think 99% of the cele eles are using it) which is 02066, which makes it really surviveable in combination with the defensive stats of celestial. Low crits is mainly cause of the low power, but also not that high crit dmge, i mean you can have some nice numbers popping out with your fire grab etc, but compared to the crits you pull of with cavalier/knights/zerk/assassin combi’s you’re just crying at your low crits XD

Elitist.8701:

Ele is more faceroll than necro. Please please please go back to necro. Nobody wants more DD eles.

Nice opinions, sounds like you’ve lost to some elementalists recently.

if you are roaming with friends yah its pretty viable to run ANYTHING if you are solo roaming in WvW your gonna get poked a little too hard without it