Guild Wars 2

Hi guys, was putting this threads for each class in the forum to see if we could see the potential of the elementalists against all other classes without using FGS offcourse.

Someone already did the test only with FGS and was 3 seconds but what i want to analize its the class challenge itselfe.

Pure Zerker Ele dagger dagger and dagger secpter to see whats best to perform a faster kill.

Any challengers please put up here your own time (Youtube Video) against the veteran giant in cursed shore.

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

didn’t record or anything because I’m wearing full greens (+exotic staff) and had no buffs (not even bloodlust sigil), but I killed it in about 13 seconds
lava font -> meteor shower -> lava font -> tornado

I just recorded a 10 sec kill with Ele, in a spec specifically for it (30/30/0/10/0. I normally run 30/10/10/20/0). Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4

I messed up once by accidentally doing a scepter water AA before summoning the LH. It would have been a 9 sec kill if I’d done it right. If I had pre-stacked might via blast finishers, it would have been an 8 sec kill (maybe 7), but I wasn’t sure if that was allowed.

I uploaded the vid in 1080p, and when I log into my YouTube account to watch it, it is in 1080p, but when I’m not logged in, it reverts to 480p max. I don’t know why. If you say I’m allowed to pre-stack might, I’ll re-record for an 8-sec kill, and hopefully the resolution won’t bug when I upload that.

EDIT: I could have also killed the Giant faster if I had used Hounds of Balthazar, an Ember, and an Ogre Pet Whistle. Are those allowed? The Ember would have been particularly helpful via LH blasts in fire fields.

You could just begin with an Ice Bow and you’d kill it faster …

Anierna.6918:

EDIT: I could have also killed the Giant faster if I had used Hounds of Balthazar, an Ember, and an Ogre Pet Whistle. Are those allowed? The Ember would have been particularly helpful via LH blasts in fire fields.

The video for guardian shows him using hounds. I’d say go for it.

Honey Biscuit.6752:

The video for guardian shows him using hounds. I’d say go for it.

Yeah, he does – and he also buffs himself to 12 might before engagement with staff’s Empower, then swaps staff for GS via invent. I’m inclined towards getting a 6-7 sec kill by:

1) buffing myself to maximum might prior to engagement;
2) summoning hounds, ember, and ogre pet prior to engagement;
3) summoning ice bow prior to engagement, although I’m not sure about that. The Giant may not have a large enough hitbox. I’ll have to test.

It seems like the only thing I can’t do is FGS + Lightning Flash; is that right? And the timer only starts once the first tick of damage appears on the Giant?

Anierna.6918:

Honey Biscuit.6752:

The video for guardian shows him using hounds. I’d say go for it.

Yeah, he does – and he also buffs himself to 12 might before engagement with staff’s Empower, then swaps staff for GS via invent. I’m inclined towards getting a 6-7 sec kill by:

1) buffing myself to maximum might prior to engagement;
2) summoning hounds, ember, and ogre pet prior to engagement;
3) summoning ice bow prior to engagement, although I’m not sure about that. The Giant may not have a large enough hitbox. I’ll have to test.

It seems like the only thing I can’t do is FGS + Lightning Flash; is that right? And the timer only starts once the first tick of damage appears on the Giant?

Just dont use FGS all other food potion buff are ok with every skill from elementalist class, try to not use emebers or any other type of dmg provided by consumables.

Try to stack might b4 engage and yes time starts at the very first hit on the mob
Ty for taking the challenge btw its already a good time.

Anierna.6918:

3) summoning ice bow prior to engagement, although I’m not sure about that. The Giant may not have a large enough hitbox. I’ll have to test.

The Ice Bow does around 50% of the Giant’s HP. You should definitely use it. It’s why I tied DEKeyzToChaos’s S/D times without using food: I had Ice Bow, he didn’t.

any new tests?

So far we have:
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

Can you put all videos into one?

Fuzzion.2504:

Can you put all videos into one?

Might do that after i get thief challenge done will have to download all videos and make a full class edition

I just got a 4.2 sec kill with Frost bow. Uploading it now. I’ll post the link once it’s done.

Anierna.6918:

I just got a 4.2 sec kill with Frost bow. Uploading it now. I’ll post the link once it’s done.

why does FB affects so much the giant?

OK, it’s uploaded. Both my 5.9 and 4.2 sec kills are in the vid:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuMMbBZXu_k
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There were minor mistakes in both attempts. In the first one, I accidentally used Sigil of the Night on my OH dagger, even though it was day. In the second one, I shouldn’t have bothered with summoning LH – I should have just used Fire Grab, like I did in the first attempt. I could probably get it to 3.9 secs if I were to do further trials.

I’ve checked the link a dozen times, and half the time it only goes to 480p max. But when I refresh the page, the resolution option suddenly changes to 1080p max. I don’t know what’s up with the resolution on YouTube. It seems temperamental >.<

So, in your rankings, looks like it goes:

Ele (FGS):
Ele (Frost Bow):
Guardian:
Warrior:
Ele (LH):

lol

Anierna.6918:

So, in your rankings, looks like it goes:

Ele (FGS):
Ele (Frost Bow):
Guardian:
Warrior:
Ele (LH):

lol

but fgs and fb kinda make the results for fun only.
thoose dont work the same way for any mob and my first objective is to see what they can offer without thoose.
so for ele i would use the LH result cause its closer to what im looking for when im comparing to the others. maybe it can improove the LH time to 9 sec idk. but already have a good perspective on him ty for the videos it helped me a lot.

Amazing will come back everytime I want to reroll to mesmer because “they deal more dmg”

The Kape.3672:

Anierna.6918:

I just got a 4.2 sec kill with Frost bow. Uploading it now. I’ll post the link once it’s done.

why does FB affects so much the giant?

Large hit box – same reason meteor shower is insanely good on large targets.

elprimo.4398:

Amazing will come back everytime I want to reroll to mesmer because “they deal more dmg”

As mesmers cannot buff themselves, yes, in group settings they deal more dmg.

@ Ryn: Mesmers do NOT deal more damage than Ele’s, except in the very specific circumstances of:

1) Reflect damage (eg. Feedbacking Lupi and Malrona);
2) They have 3x phantasms up, and are using an Ele’s FGS against a wall; and
3) They have 3x phantasms up, and are using an Ele’s LH.

When a Mes is not using Ele conjures and reflects cannot be used to make the target kill itself, Ele will always have higher average DPS (mainly because bosses die so fast and Ele has higher initial burst), as well as the advantage of providing perma fury and max might for the group. This is mostly the case for the following reasons:

1) Groups pre-stack might prior to engagement, so the Ele is doing maximum DPS with LH right from the start. A mes, however, has to summon it’s phantasms, which take time to cast, and can only start with 2 (a swordsman and a warden), then must wait 16 secs to summon a 2nd swordsman. Bosses are usually dead before that 2nd swordsman is summoned.
2) Ele’s have FAR more damage modifiers; there is really no comparison between Ele and Mes in this regard.

I used the meta builds of s/f LH 30/10/10/20/0 for Ele, and sw/f + OH sw (both 15/30/0/25/0 and 10/30/0/20/10 builds) for Mes in my comparisons.

I agree. In organized groups no comparison. The ramp up is too slow. That is why I had so many hopes with the new healing signet. But meh, cast time is too long.

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

Hi, Elementalist here, did it in around 4s (with a fgs, just for those that wanted to see it)

Asking not to use a skill in their utility sounds a little contradictory especially when a LH is being used in the current video.

lol. You used Fiery Rush + Lightning Flash, and it took you longer than it should have. Watch my vid of the 4 sec kill I did with Ice Bow. I also did an FGS kill in 3 secs.

Micro Hard.3601:

Hi, Elementalist here, did it in around 4s (with a fgs, just for those that wanted to see it)

Asking not to use a skill in their utility sounds a little contradictory especially when a LH is being used in the current video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhZnnwYJng

Thats because you and many people dont understand what was asked. Many people are here for troll and many are already QQ.

Im not going to bother to explain read all posts from all sister threads and you will understand the reason i made all threads.

@Anierna idk why you’re comparing the time it takes to kill with an fgs against mine when the skill use is identical and the only thing you can change is the build setup/food. That said I know I wasn’t running the most optimal set up. I was running venom skale instead of powerful undead slaying pot, I didn’t drop the fgs directly after the whirl for a couple of extra hits and I used imobilize signet instead of arcane power/wave. I haven’t seen any other fgs dps vids out, so there’s no harm in leaving it here.

I still fail to see the reasoning behind not being able to use X skill after going through some of your threads. At this rate it seems rather childish to create rules out of thin air saying something like “you can not use icebow, but you can use a lightning hammer”. Every hard hitting spell an ele has is on a fairly long cd, how would you determine what players can and can’t use… The icebow itself hits hard even on targets with small hitboxes so I’d say you’re a little out of line to reject Anierna’s fb vid; it’s a burst skill just like the fgs.

Also you said that these weapons don’t work the same way on all mobs, they technically do especially fgs blink.

I concur … if you choose this particular monster, you also have to deal with the consequences of the choice. FGS and FB are both Elementalist skills and therefore should be fair to use. After all, players are already using things like Hounds of Balthazar and Lich Form. If you don’t want them to be used, choose some other mob against which either skill isn’t ideal.

FGS works on everything though. I agree, you either ban all burst skills which would mean every class has to just auto attack or you allow everything except for racial skills and consumables like embers.

1 skill kill its not what im looking for ele speedkill … that being said keep your perspective to yourselves. if it makes you all more happy ele its the nº1 to kill him faster.
QQ a bit more if you dont understand my perspective. guardian did 7sec without hounds …. necro did same time without lich form … i have already all results i was trying to gather just mesmer can get improovments.

Just remenber anyone can open threads for whatever reason and objectives you dont see me trolling or flaming other threads so why do you like to be that kind of persons.

But it doesnt make sense that you exclude a valid kill just because that particular high cd skill does more burst than any other class and is enough to 1shot the giant. If you could 1 shot the giant with eviscerate would you ban that aswell?

I can kind of accept that you are excluding fiery rush because its a gimmicky thing to do. But saying frostbow is not allowed is just absurd.

I agree with Spoq. My 4 sec Frost Bow kill was OP, and I believe it should be legit (not like I’m biased or anything). lol =D

the times should include summoning and buffing time.

I agree Scervisiae