Guild Wars 2

In Arah path 2, I was at the final boss. I had on full exotic zerker armor with ruby orbs, dual zerker daggers and full ascended zerker accessories plus I had superior sharpening stone on.

Discarding my trait setup of 0/10/0/30/30 I could not physically become any stronger, my damage was as high as it could possibly go.

I could only get the boss to 60% health. That is complete and utter bull.

We need a buff ArenaNet, you’ve pretty much killed this profession.

Pick up a lightning hammer (or fiery GS if the boss is pushed against a wall) and possibly S/D for might and fury stacking (30/0/0/20/20), and complain no more my child.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Discarding my trait setup of 0/10/0/30/30

“Disregarding one of the most important things”.. dude you’d probably do more damage on half pvt (armor) half zerk (full accessories and weapon) with the right damaging trait set up and a Lightning Hammer than being in full zerk but using the wrong stuff (scepter or dagger autoattacks).

You are using a defensive build for maximum damage output? Bad combination.

Nikaido.3457:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Discarding my trait setup of 0/10/0/30/30

“Disregarding one of the most important things”.. dude you’d probably do more damage on half pvt (armor) half zerk (full accessories and weapon) with the right damaging trait set up and a Lightning Hammer than being in full zerk but using the wrong stuff (scepter or dagger autoattacks).

and this ^

Nova Stiker.8396:

In Arah path 2, I was at the final boss. I had on full exotic zerker armor with ruby orbs, dual zerker daggers and full ascended zerker accessories plus I had superior sharpening stone on.

Discarding my trait setup of 0/10/0/30/30 I could not physically become any stronger, my damage was as high as it could possibly go.

I could only get the boss to 60% health. That is complete and utter bull.

We need a buff ArenaNet, you’ve pretty much killed this profession.

nonsense, just today I was able to get her down to 30% (yes 30% b/c I ended the solo with Churning Earth near 50%)

now, if you say ele is the squishiest class, then I’d have to agree with you.

people forgot that LH needs a guardian to take you alive.

And sorry if as an ELEMENTALIST player i refuse to see as the ONLY viable PvE profession, swinging a HAMMER in melee with all my skills and many utilities locked out.

Churning earth given the CD and the cast time is horrible.

People says mesmer has low dps.
Elementalist without hammer or FGS+wall has almost half f it with half survivability.

It just has the best cond cleansing around for PvE that is really handy in few situations, but ele needs much more…..expecially in sustained damage.

And i hope devs will stop the conjured nonsense.
It can be viable but its not what elementalists players wants to play.

“Is it fun?”
NO!

LordByron.8369:

people forgot that LH needs a guardian to take you alive.

And sorry if as an ELEMENTALIST player i refuse to see as the ONLY viable PvE profession, swinging a HAMMER in melee with all my skills and many utilities locked out.

Churning earth given the CD and the cast time is horrible.

People says mesmer has low dps.
Elementalist without hammer or FGS+wall has almost half f it with half survivability.

It just has the best cond cleansing around for PvE that is really handy in few situations, but ele needs much more…..expecially in sustained damage.

And i hope devs will stop the conjured nonsense.
It can be viable but its not what elementalists players wants to play.

“Is it fun?”
NO!

What does that mean?
It would be like “I’m a Warrior but I like only maces, shields and hammers, I’m full zerk I do no damge wtf”.
You cannot come out and say “Elementalist is the weakest class” when you refuse to use some of its core mechanics.
I mean, you could, but it would be proof of you being not so smart.

hihey.1075:

LordByron.8369:

people forgot that LH needs a guardian to take you alive.

And sorry if as an ELEMENTALIST player i refuse to see as the ONLY viable PvE profession, swinging a HAMMER in melee with all my skills and many utilities locked out.

Churning earth given the CD and the cast time is horrible.

People says mesmer has low dps.
Elementalist without hammer or FGS+wall has almost half f it with half survivability.

It just has the best cond cleansing around for PvE that is really handy in few situations, but ele needs much more…..expecially in sustained damage.

And i hope devs will stop the conjured nonsense.
It can be viable but its not what elementalists players wants to play.

“Is it fun?”
NO!

What does that mean?
It would be like “I’m a Warrior but I like only maces, shields and hammers, I’m full zerk I do no damge wtf”.
You cannot come out and say “Elementalist is the weakest class” when you refuse to use some of its core mechanics.
I mean, you could, but it would be proof of you being not so smart.

attunementdancing and the resulting access to more skills than only “2 weaponsets” is elementalists core mechanic, not that liability of conjured weapons, they are just a special class specific set of utilities like spirit weapons for guardian or spirits for ranger which in best case should form certain builds or extend and/or support the core mechanic (which they could)
if they were a core mechanic i would like that conjured weapons would be as op as core mechanics of some other classes, imagine conjured weapons as powerfull as unlimited acces to permastealth, an initiative system and steal

/edit or just our real core mechanic as powerfull…

Being smart starts to being able to discern between mechanics and utilities.

EX:
attunement = mechanic
conjured weapons = utilities

Proof that is a gimmick build recicled from another profession.

I can t do damage with ANY mechanics of ele
I can dps with gimmicks relying on guardians to keep me alive (that is why you don t find conjured ele at fotm 48+ unless they have 1-2 guardians).

Also being smart is understanding why an elementalist player don t like his main skills to be:

Hammer Swing
Whirlwind Attack
Rush

If You are a new player in search of a profession and wants to use such skill….wich profession would you roll?
An elementalist or a warrior?

LordByron.8369:

Also being smart is understanding why an elementalist player don t like his main skills to be:

Hammer Swing
Whirlwind Attack
Rush

where two bottom + wall are obvious bugs and should be fixed ASAP… but until then lets abuse it a bit against < iq50 wvw blobs ^^
Elem(rush)Thief(hide, rush)Guard(line of warding, mights)+ specialy chosen terrain = 10+ blob kill in less than 5s

http://youtu.be/L2PwS1iElns

IMO the most fun pve build is 30/30/X/X/X in full berserker w/rubies+full ascended berserker. There is no reward for soloing arah bosses outside of bragging rights, at least with this build I can kill most anything else in a couple seconds and don’t need to rely on a conjure.

Solo.9027:

IMO the most fun pve build is 30/30/X/X/X in full berserker w/rubies+full ascended berserker. There is no reward for soloing arah bosses outside of bragging rights, at least with this build I can kill most anything else in a couple seconds and don’t need to rely on a conjure.

and with good party 30/30/x/x/x is even playable at ftactals 48 although I never managed to get 25 bludlust stacks in those circumstandes – except for dreadge ftactals (behind the tank after boss go down and you have to kill milions mobs). If the party would wait for ultra long arcane shield and mist form CD or even endurance refill then probably in most places you could maintain full 25 bloodlust stacks even at frac 48.

But what makes your elementalist preferred to other DPS that can do more stuff with less requirements?

Anything is viable with 2 guardians in fotms

>But what makes your elementalist preferred

exactly that :
“to other DPS that can do more stuff with less requirements”

ofc I play GS or even AA(auto axe) warrior in pve or d/p thief in wvw so I am not a masochist 100% of the time but sometimes its good to drive a rear-wheel-drive car without traction control even when the lap times are for ovbious reasons worse.

I love the D/D Bunker spec, but it is indeed a low damage spec. You should try Fresh Air DPS or Lightning Hammer if you want a high damaging Ele.

LordByron.8369:

But what makes your elementalist preferred to other DPS that can do more stuff with less requirements?

Anything is viable with 2 guardians in fotms

Anything is viable in Fractals, period. They’re not that hard, it’s beating mechanics with basic skills. Bring a focus and don’t be a kitten and you win at life half the time.

Ele damage is fine to excellent, though I’d love to see bug fixes and tweaks. After playing bunker for so long, and trying to eke more damage out of it, the truth is bunker just doesn’t deal damage compared to builds actually focused on it.

Start with your traits and learn how to survive without as much defense. I assure you it’s not nearly as necessary as you think.

Ars Valde.8693:

LordByron.8369:

But what makes your elementalist preferred to other DPS that can do more stuff with less requirements?

Anything is viable with 2 guardians in fotms

Anything is viable in Fractals, period. They’re not that hard, it’s beating mechanics with basic skills. Bring a focus and don’t be a kitten and you win at life half the time.

So you want to show me how easy fractal is at 51 without guardians?

I know nowaday most people run “otimized parties” where for optimized i mean professions that bypass mechanics…

If those are not there you have to play fotm as they were intended,,,,and i don t know many players that can do that.

On the forum instead everyone seems to be a pro :| in game i never find such players …..

p.S: who said i play bunker?
i never did……
I just have a single PvT backpack paired with full zerker runes/equip

LordByron.8369:

So you want to show me how easy fractal is at 51 without guardians?

Easier than 79 without guardians?

haviz.1340:

LordByron.8369:

So you want to show me how easy fractal is at 51 without guardians?

Easier than 79 without guardians?

if you don t abuse AI and/or find a way to ignore mechanics…. show me please.

As a mesmer i know lot of tricks that makes fotm easier than a moa fight…….but that is not “playing as intended”.

What tricks can you use for shaman? With 2war/nec/2 eles team.

haviz.1340:

What tricks can you use for shaman? With 2war/nec/2 eles team.

can you do it with random pugs?

if not its not “easy”

LordByron.8369:

can you do it with random pugs?

if not its not “easy”

You would expect random pug to do arguably the hardest fight in the game that requires at least some level of coordination without professions giving 9000 safenets? I don’t pug at all because otherwise I’d be forced to kick 99% of people.

Before gw2 was launched anet promised dungeons were for coordinated teams. Stop arguing with “is pug able to do it”.

aside your elitism in the bad meaning of it….you just said that fractal are not easy…

The debate was on fotm being not hard.
And fotm can be hard if you infact remove those safenets

Also pugging require lot of skill and can be fun if people is not too bad.

How can you enjoing doing the same dungeon in the same way with the same people everytime _?
It becomes stale fast.

LordByron.8369:

aside your elitism in the bad meaning of it….you just said that fractal are not easy…

The debate was on fotm being not hard.
And fotm can be hard if you infact remove those safenets

Having a voice coordination is now a sign of being an elitist, right?
I’ve said that fractal at level 79 is not easy. It’s faceroll at lower levels though.

Also pugging require lot of skill and can be fun if people is not too bad.

Pugging requires love for masochism. Average pugger can’t even do what you told him to do in a very simple manner.

How can you enjoing doing the same dungeon in the same way with the same people everytime _?
It becomes stale fast.

Same people = pool of 40+ people. It would became even more stale if I had to pug with bads

LordByron.8369:

How can you enjoing doing the same dungeon in the same way with the same people everytime @_@?
It becomes stale fast.

some randomness indeed is healthy and put required skill to next level but in real life I am really sick when dumb rangers push back enemies while I am 100b’eing them or scrub necros fearing enemies outside of meteors.
From my experience of fractal runs (8k relics in bank +3 fractal capacitors and many 20 slot fractal boxes) I can tell - there are no normal reangers in this game - this class is played only by scrubs*. 95% pve necros (especially MM) have absolutly no idea about the combat system in this game and you must count them as -1 or -2 players in party.

So I realy envy haviz for having solid group of friends to run "hard" pve content and wvw/pvp.

*Shiro No Josei I hope you dont read this. I still love you :*

LordByron.8369:

aside your elitism in the bad meaning of it….you just said that fractal are not easy…

The debate was on fotm being not hard.
And fotm can be hard if you infact remove those safenets

Also pugging require lot of skill and can be fun if people is not too bad.

How can you enjoing doing the same dungeon in the same way with the same people everytime _?
It becomes stale fast.

Fractals are not for PuGing. Fractals are specifically about coordinated team effort to beat content. In fact all of the GW2 Dungeons are that, very few of them reward mindless gameplay and non-coordinated group tactics that are associated with PuGs.

There is -nothing- a Guardian brings to the table that other classes don’t bring as well in one form or another. It simply requires knowing your class. PvE is the ability to counter the same mechanics that either hit harder/have more HP consistently, that’s it.

If you think a Guardian is required for anything in the game, then you simply do not know how to play your class well enough.

No, that would be Ranger. I love my Ranger but I’ve finally come to admit it.

Ars Valde.8693:

LordByron.8369:

aside your elitism in the bad meaning of it….you just said that fractal are not easy…

The debate was on fotm being not hard.
And fotm can be hard if you infact remove those safenets

Also pugging require lot of skill and can be fun if people is not too bad.

How can you enjoing doing the same dungeon in the same way with the same people everytime _?
It becomes stale fast.

Fractals are not for PuGing. Fractals are specifically about coordinated team effort to beat content. In fact all of the GW2 Dungeons are that, very few of them reward mindless gameplay and non-coordinated group tactics that are associated with PuGs.

There is -nothing- a Guardian brings to the table that other classes don’t bring as well in one form or another. It simply requires knowing your class. PvE is the ability to counter the same mechanics that either hit harder/have more HP consistently, that’s it.

If you think a Guardian is required for anything in the game, then you simply do not know how to play your class well enough.

Although guardians aren’t required, to say that they don’t bring anything to the table other classes can’t also is a bit much. Unless you know another class that can provide reflects, LoW/RoW, perma-prot, on-demand aegis, group cond cleansing, while still providing respectable dps…

Neko.9021:

I love the D/D Bunker spec, but it is indeed a low damage spec. You should try Fresh Air DPS or Lightning Hammer if you want a high damaging Ele.

yeap. Definately going to have to surrender to this. After a year of resisting conjured weapons, just had my birthday , I give up. You win Anet. I am not playing the mage of old, of lore, or of ancient days. I can’t make him one no matter how hard I try. I will no longer control the elements with my thoughts and manipulate them to my will. I am going to pick up hammer and go whack something while wearing flowing gossamer robes and having no health lol. Boy oh boy. I hope this is fun cause I didn’t want to play a melee class in this game.

hihey.1075:

LordByron.8369:

people forgot that LH needs a guardian to take you alive.

And sorry if as an ELEMENTALIST player i refuse to see as the ONLY viable PvE profession, swinging a HAMMER in melee with all my skills and many utilities locked out.

Churning earth given the CD and the cast time is horrible.

People says mesmer has low dps.
Elementalist without hammer or FGS+wall has almost half f it with half survivability.

It just has the best cond cleansing around for PvE that is really handy in few situations, but ele needs much more…..expecially in sustained damage.

And i hope devs will stop the conjured nonsense.
It can be viable but its not what elementalists players wants to play.

“Is it fun?”
NO!

What does that mean?
It would be like “I’m a Warrior but I like only maces, shields and hammers, I’m full zerk I do no damge wtf”.
You cannot come out and say “Elementalist is the weakest class” when you refuse to use some of its core mechanics.
I mean, you could, but it would be proof of you being not so smart.

Is it really this common for eles to be jaded so much about the class that they believe Lightning Hammer for ample damage is ok?

I have a lvl 80 ele but I don’t play him much anymore even though he was probably the character I enjoyed most. I kind of gave up when I realized how much more damage other classes I have could do with much less cost to their survivability. Imo, eles shouldn’t have to cling to conjured weapons for adequate damage, that is just silly. Reading ele forums and seeing everybody say “use LH or go home” just leads me to believe everybody has given up and this is the class now: Lightning Hammer.

mehcetylene.2376:

Although guardians aren’t required, to say that they don’t bring anything to the table other classes can’t also is a bit much. Unless you know another class that can provide reflects, LoW/RoW, perma-prot, on-demand aegis, group cond cleansing, while still providing respectable dps…

Most of these can be split between the members of the group when there’s no guardian. Reflect/absorb can be done by in an efficient manner (as compared to say, the very useless reflect on warrior and ranger) by : thieves, elementalists, engineers, mesmers.
In a group with good dps you only need two reflect to get through most content in a faceroll manner.
Group cond cleanse is actually done better by engineers, they don’t need to waste their traits on cond removal to be able to have strong AoE cond cleanses, unlike guardians, who absolutely need to trait it to make it effective. Guardians can never really be fully dps built like an engi because their cond removal depends on traits lines that aren’t really related to DPS. Turret heal + Elixir gun are godly.
Line of Warding/Ring of Warding are easily replaced by static field, which you can use on both Lightning Hammer and on Staff on elementalist.

Perma protection is not all that useful. There aren’t a lot of speedrun groups that use hammer and you don’t really have perma prot without the hammer. It’s kind of useful in fractals but blind field from a thief or an engineer smoke bomb are a lot more effective at mitigating damage in trash fights, and boss fights are all about avoidance rather than mitigation. You can really feel the difference if you have a competent thief or engi, using their smoke field.

Yes, the usefulness of guardians is overstated. If you have a mixed group with classes like ele/engi etc, you don’t really need guardians. Guardians do bring a lot to a specific type of group that has zero utility : warrior groups. Warrior bring nothing of worth beside their offensive buff so they do benefit a lot from having a guard in the group.
I used to think of guardians as indispensable for a decent group composition, now I think they’re just a crutch for warriors.

Warrior is an incredibly pitiful/carried class in high lvl fractals.

Nikaido.3457:

Warrior is an incredibly pitiful/carried class in high lvl fractals.

You can succeed without guardian support…you can t without reliable dps of warriors

They kill stuff before it becomes a threat.

Try to play your lightning hammer at ice elemental…..

Guardian also provide so much support that is not comparable to an ele.
2 elementalists can t equal 1 single guardian.

Guardian can:
DPS
RESS
REGEN
Aegis
stability
CC bypassing defiant
and most of all has an insane reflect uptime that seems so broken compared to other professions that you question how they can be in the same game.

If anyone says that in fractal expecially guardians and warriors are not OP as hell i question their experience on istances….

Ice elemental? You couldn’t pick worse boss.

haviz.1340:

Ice elemental? You couldn’t pick worse boss.

not for a conjured ele

I don’t intend to answer anything, I already said more than once that I’m not going to feed the resident whiner so that he can whine more. Go ahead and do your monologues, it is falling on deaf ears. Even worse when the whine is about snowblind out of all things. You could have picked a better fractal to whine about. Your own experience is questionable if that particular fractal is a problem for you no matter what group composition you run, the real problem is when people start aggroing everything there.

Nikaido.3457:

I don’t intend to answer anything, I already said more than once that I’m not going to feed the resident whiner so that he can whine more. Go ahead and do your monologues, it is falling on deaf ears. Even worse when the whine is about snowblind out of all things. You could have picked a better fractal to whine about. Your own experience is questionable if that particular fractal is a problem for you no matter what group composition you run, the real problem is when people start aggroing everything there.

Snowbind requires you to pick up a torch and light a fire…..

Wonder what happens when a conjured ele pick up that torch?
One of the 3 worst issues of conjured eles since its not a kit.

Was that hard to understand?
Well being you able only to brag and insult, possibly yes.

people who can t debate insults as Always….

You are an eternal ball of whine. I used to try to somewhat argument with you. There is no argument that will stop the whine. You want to whine and nothing will stop that. Some people are tired of listening to the whining, so I’d rather just shut you down by not arguing with you. At some point being ignored will get old and you will finally get it. Get it.

The only thing you exist for, and do, on these forums, is a constant stream of whining. It gets old. Pretty fast. You should write a letter to anet telling them how much you hate this game, the classes etc instead of polluting this place.

Nikaido.3457:

people who can t debate insults as Always….

You are an eternal ball of whine.

you just insult anyone who don t agree with you…. also

Whining accusation starts to be a clear troll behavior…..you can see in the Whole forum people accusing Others to whine and sadly takes 10 seconds to see who is posting those accusations.

your posting history says it all

You can t accept Others opinions and you think you are a pve pro that is all.

You didn t get the issue on snowbind?
Lets ignore it and just write another post of insults…..

I do get it, once again, you are not a person worth arguing with. You used to talk on the grawl thread things like “you can’t do grawl with ele it’s terrible blabla” and a video was linked with a group that had 5 ele, and I also linked one randomly found on youtube with 4 showing a group that had ZERO ability to dodge the arrow (which is really cringeworthy) and despite them taking the arrow all the time at 73 they still managed to get through the fractal. Your sole existence on these forums is to whine that elementalist is the worst class ever and how great you feel for playing mesmer. Good for you, but please take that toxicity out of here.

If players who can’t dodge the grawl arrows can still manage to get the run done, what does that say about you if you keep complaining about your poor ele? are you worse than people who never dodge the grawl arrow?

Frankly, getting arrow’ed at that level doesn’t really matter with the amount of heals they had. At least for me, transition part is harder, especially after you destroy shaman’s bubble. But even during this fight, elementalists I know use lightning hammer for grubs. Not a dedicated build though.

Nikaido.3457:

I"you can’t do grawl with ele it’s terrible blabla" and a video was linked with a group that had 5 ele, and I also linked one randomly found on youtube with 4 showing a group that had ZERO ability to dodge the arrow (which is really cringeworthy) and despite them taking the arrow all the time at 73 they still managed to get through the fractal. Your sole existence on these forums is to whine that elementalist is the worst class ever and how great you feel for playing mesmer. Good for you, but please take that toxicity out of here.

What issues did i point with volcanic fractal in this game

Number 1 and worse of all.
Ele (before conjured buffs and bug) low dps has serious issues dealing with veterans grawls….this is by far the thing i hate most in all fractals….(despite its ubereasy if you have a dps party its an issue if you pug).

Number 2
Ele had and still has, issues removing shield layers….due to attack rate

Number 3
Ele has issues clearing the grubs if he tries to go antiprojectiles with focus.

Number 4
Staff fire 5 and water 5 PRE buff were terrible and required to stand still and get damage….

Other thing i said was that scepter air 1 and dragon s claw makes Arrow animation hard to see sometimes.

This is your poor attempt at attacking legitimate opinion….

do get it, once again, you are not a person worth arguing with. You used to talk on the grawl thread things like “you can’t do grawl with ele it’s terrible blabla”

If you compare ele to any other profession except eng and necro (and only because i have a low knowledge of such class) you’ll see it hasn t a role.

Now i d just point out that you are saying ele is fine……
While if we don t get balanced, when the FGS bug and nerf will arrive (see Izzy post) this class will be totally unviable….

@haviz that is the hardest part for everyone…but to use lightning hammer you need someone to use antiprojectiles and the Whole team to be really good at positioning.

Even warrior then is less carried than an ele……not to mention how good banner is in this stage to ress people.

My last attempt, God save me.

What issues did i point with volcanic fractal in this game

Number 1 and worse of all.
Ele (before conjured buffs and bug) low dps has serious issues dealing with veterans grawls….this is by far the thing i hate most in all fractals….(despite its ubereasy if you have a dps party its an issue if you pug).

A team of 3 eles/1 mes/1 necro can do it perfectly without any issues at lvl 80. 5 low dps profession.

Number 2
Ele had and still has, issues removing shield layers….due to attack rate

Which class hasn’t except dagger thief and ranger?

Number 3
Ele has issues clearing the grubs if he tries to go antiprojectiles with focus.

Don’t use scepter.

Number 4
Staff fire 5 and water 5 PRE buff were terrible and required to stand still and get damage….

On that I can agree.

If you compare ele to any other profession except eng and necro (and only because i have a low knowledge of such class) you’ll see it hasn t a role.

That’s a design choice, unfortunately. Let’s not go why this was completely bad idea.

Now i d just point out that you are saying ele is fine……
While if we don t get balanced, when the FGS bug and nerf will arrive (see Izzy post) this class will be totally unviable….

Iirc izzy was pointing out its mobility on their watch list, not rush. Its “bug” is the same as whirlwind attack against the wall or while being immobilized.

haviz.1340:

A team of 3 eles/1 mes/1 necro can do it perfectly without any issues at lvl 80. 5 low dps profession.

With the same effort as a dps team?
And without losing any hostage?

Which class hasn’t except dagger thief and ranger?

Ele has one of the slowest attack rate……
mesmer/war/thief/ranger/eng don t have thiss issue for example.

Number 3
Ele has issues clearing the grubs if he tries to go antiprojectiles with focus.

Dagger/focus?
Risky….you give up most your healing capabilities.
And things don t get much better…this was pre conjured buff….so now conjured may be an answer.

but before i could use staff for grubs and be bad at shield/reflect
Use dagger and be useless or worse (triggering melee attack is something you don t want in some parties) in most parts

what would you use to be good in any phase?

And more than everything.
If you had each profession would you choose an ele here for efficience?

Now i d just point out that you are saying ele is fine……
While if we don t get balanced, when the FGS bug and nerf will arrive (see Izzy post) this class will be totally unviable….

Iirc izzy was pointing out its mobility on their watch list, not rush. Its “bug” is the same as whirlwind attack against the wall or while being immobilized.
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The bug is a BUG and thus we should expect it to be fixed someday…while the mobility skills happens to be the same dealing damage :/ so if they will be nerfed damage will be as well probably. (i could bet on it actually).

LordByron.8369:

With the same effort as a dps team?
And without losing any hostage?

Perfectly means without losing hostage.

Ele has one of the slowest attack rate……
mesmer/war/thief/ranger/eng don t have thiss issue for example.

Same as guardian and necro then? I don’t see them whining.

Dagger/focus?
Risky….you give up most your healing capabilities.

Last time I checked, most “pros” consider healing as useless in pve.

And things don t get much better…this was pre conjured buff….so now conjured may be an answer.

but before i could use staff for grubs and be bad at shield/reflect
Use dagger and be useless or worse (triggering melee attack is something you don t want in some parties) in most parts

what would you use to be good in any phase?

And more than everything.
If you had each profession would you choose an ele here for efficience?

Conjured buff gave lh 5% critical damage and 8.6% crit chance. If you are afraid of meleeing him just use your water1 skill. You’ll do more damage than longbow warrior. But most parties would actually appreciate triggering his melee attacks.

The bug is a BUG and thus we should expect it to be fixed someday…while the mobility skills happens to be the same dealing damage :/ so if they will be nerfed damage will be as well probably. (i could bet on it actually).

Do you have dev/qa team quote on that?

haviz.1340:

Perfectly means without losing hostage.

with the same effort? …..
please don t tell me yes….this time i would not believe it.

Same as guardian and necro then? I don’t see them whining.

Guardian have their role.
They can be bad at one thing when they are best at everything other in the same fight.

Necro actually complained a lot……now they are too focused with theyr pvp/www state to complain abut pve.

Last time I checked, most “pros” consider healing as useless in pve.

You fight with a short range wepon, elementals that can bypass your focus air and earth 4 with aoe…

An average player can t do that…..

Conjured buff gave lh 5% critical damage and 8.6% crit chance. If you are afraid of meleeing him just use your water1 skill. You’ll do more damage than longbow warrior. But most parties would actually appreciate triggering his melee attacks.

the question was…

Why would you want an ele in this fractal?
I don t see many LF ele in fotm section, nor i see many eles after 48.

And meleeing shaman with ele is really really hard…..near to impossible in some cases (if i m right about istances being peer to peer rather than server based).

Anet doesn’t have a clue what they’re doing when it comes to this class.

D/D is the only thing I enjoy using in WvW because you get killed too easily with anything else. Over the months, numerous other classes complained about us breaking combat to reset fights, so now it’s next to impossible to do this. They complained about healing in mistform, so now we get blown up with by the recent condition patch.

It’s a total mess right now. I have no desire to play other classes, despite having gotten others to 80. I made this class, and try to be as good as I can with it. That usually means changing gear and runes constantly. I have no option to go more burst because that just dies, and does way less burst than other classes anyway. The most burst I can get away with is knights.

I do okay, though. It’s just annoying when I see how much burst other classes do, and necro condition spam is rampant now. I practice in spvp before making adjustments to my wvw spec, and it helps a lot.

TL;DR: Yes. We are the weakest because of the fact we need to stack 1600+ toughness and have vitality on at least accessories to be considered viable. I don’t know how to fix this class, really. Nerf hammers and necros. Also, mesmers get way too many goodies.

LordByron.8369:

with the same effort? …..
please don t tell me yes….this time i would not believe it.

Chaining cc and it’s almost as easy.

You fight with a short range wepon, elementals that can bypass your focus air and earth 4 with aoe…

An average player can t do that…..

They deal 9-10k with their attacks, healing won’t save you.

the question was…

Why would you want an ele in this fractal?
I don t see many LF ele in fotm section, nor i see many eles after 48.

You can literally faceroll this with 4 elementalists

And meleeing shaman with ele is really really hard…..near to impossible in some cases (if i m right about istances being peer to peer rather than server based).

It’s not easier on warrior or necro.
Instances aren’t p2p because if I limited my bandwith other people should be lagging as well which doesn’t happen. If leader got dc everyone should be kicked out.

So I thought of ways to improve it already:

Perhaps buff the chance on arcana 25 trait to something closer to 10-25%. Make all of the conditions 5s minimum.

We could seriously use more chills/cripples to keep people in the 400 yard radius we need them to be in for maximum damage. Dagger main hand needs to have this.

Buff frozen burst chill radius to at least 400 because, I’d say, it misses 90% of the time. To guarantee it lands, you’d have to do RTL or BS into frozen burst, which is a dumb combination. I’d be willing to get rid of the damage factor if it landed easier.

Edit: If we could stack weakness, we’d be tanky again.

wha, conjures are super fun, just would be nice if you still got all your other attunement spells while they were equipped or something.