Guild Wars 2

Are you all playing long range staff builds or what? I hear ele has lots of issues with low hp and low armor so everyone is wrong and ele is 100% fine with how they are?

Sunshine.4680:

Are you all playing long range staff builds or what? I hear ele has lots of issues with low hp and low armor so everyone is wrong and ele is 100% fine with how they are?

I play s/x and staff in PVE because from my own experience it outdps main hand dagger a lot. In instances where RNG and culling isn’t an issue, low HP and armor isn’t really much of an issue. Hard hitting spells are usually easily telegraphed so you need to dodge it, not tank it.

The problem in LA event is culling and RNG AoEs. There will be many cases where you are able to properly dodge one AoE but you land in another AoE spell. In PVE if you get killed by an attack which you are able to see coming, it’s your fault. LA is an AoE RNG and culling festival.

In PVP/WvW though, elementalists has a lot if issues which may concern the low HP and Armor.

L2P issue.

I’ve run 30/10/10/10/10, Staff/Ice bow in LA so far and have reaped so many bags from being able to tag countless mobs. My ele has full ascended armor as well and become much more of an aggro magnet. Here are my tips for you:

• Be more aware of positions. Of course, that means don’t stand in red circles, but also actively inside any reflections (Wall of reflection, Feed back).
• Avoid direct melee combat and using skills with long cast time in a (zerg) defense event .
• Avoid pulling more than 3 mobs when you feel like to solo.
• Cleave, cleave, cleave. Rally on almost-dead mobs.
• Bring arcane shield to run away if necessary.
• Arcane brilliance and water field are the best full healing combo.
• Swap utility skills depending on the monster characteristics. Condi cleanse for molten, stability or blocking for aetherblade.
• Bring graphic settings to Best Performance, with medium to high character model limits. It keeps the FPS up but less culling involved.

Or

• Don’t go with big zergs. Events do scale with zergs.

Not sure what you are arguing about here. It is neither a L2P nor a Elementalist class issue. The last update brought us lovely zerg mobs which can dish out 20k + with one hit. Usually the elite ones. Sometimes you just get unlucky when in the middle of the fight and die instantly. On any class. Well… maybe not on a tanky Warrior or Necro. But that is about it.

huh. I run 0/0/30/10/30 Rampager/Elementalist (which is essentially a power/condi build… I know, everyone thinks a condi-ele is a joke but it works for me) and I survive fine. I mean, sure, after the 1 hour I have to spend about 8 silver on repairs but overall it’s def not worse than the average survivability.

I do have to say, this event has been a bit of a learning curve in that I’ve learned to adjust my attunement-switching: instead of going earth-fire-earth-fire-water-earth-fire; I’m now fire-water-earth-air-water-earth-fire-water-air-earth-water (in other words, I cycle water in muych more frequently than normally and I DODGE a lot)

Guys its a well know fact that eles have aggro issues even though it can be stopped by dodging. However, no other class has the same issues.

Iris Ng.9845:

L2P issue.

I’ve run 30/10/10/10/10, Staff/Ice bow in LA so far and have reaped so many bags from being able to tag countless mobs. My ele has full ascended armor as well and become much more of an aggro magnet. Here are my tips for you:

• Be more aware of positions. Of course, that means don’t stand in red circles, but also actively inside any reflections (Wall of reflection, Feed back).
• Avoid direct melee combat and using skills with long cast time in a (zerg) defense event .
• Avoid pulling more than 3 mobs when you feel like to solo.
• Cleave, cleave, cleave. Rally on almost-dead mobs.
• Bring arcane shield to run away if necessary.
• Arcane brilliance and water field are the best full healing combo.
• Swap utility skills depending on the monster characteristics. Condi cleanse for molten, stability or blocking for aetherblade.
• Bring graphic settings to Best Performance, with medium to high character model limits. It keeps the FPS up but less culling involved.

Or

• Don’t go with big zergs. Events do scale with zergs.

Yes but no other class has to be as caring and can still do equal or more damage!

I’m having zero issues in LA — in fact I thought ele was one of the best professions to play, especially for the escort events. I’m coming from the perspective of staff.

It seems to me the new content in LA is designed to be anti-glass. The mobs live a bit too long and hit a bit faster which puts glassy toons at higher risk.

Just to test, I went into LA with my full zerk 30/10/10/10/10 firestaff ele. Alternately followed zerg around and soloed various mobs, didn’t dodge anything, just sat close enough to trigger Stone Splinters and spammed fire spells. Barely even got hit without having to dodge. Only time I went down was when I tried to solo one of the big veteran mech spider things, but Meteor Shower rallied me just fine.

You guys make it sound like this event is super hard, it’s not even that bad. The mobs all drop super fast just like any other open world mob.

You can solo-escort the dolyaks with staff and two blast finishers (Brilliance and Wave) along with Rock Solid, Elemental Attunement, and Cleansing Water.

Also Rock Solid helps with the pesky interrupt aetherblade auras. Start your Meteor Shower and switch to Earth after 1 second (right before meteors start falling). The stability from Rock Solid will let you finish the channel.

MADPIEMAN.8023:

Iris Ng.9845:

L2P issue.

I’ve run 30/10/10/10/10, Staff/Ice bow in LA so far and have reaped so many bags from being able to tag countless mobs. My ele has full ascended armor as well and become much more of an aggro magnet. Here are my tips for you:

• Be more aware of positions. Of course, that means don’t stand in red circles, but also actively inside any reflections (Wall of reflection, Feed back).
• Avoid direct melee combat and using skills with long cast time in a (zerg) defense event .
• Avoid pulling more than 3 mobs when you feel like to solo.
• Cleave, cleave, cleave. Rally on almost-dead mobs.
• Bring arcane shield to run away if necessary.
• Arcane brilliance and water field are the best full healing combo.
• Swap utility skills depending on the monster characteristics. Condi cleanse for molten, stability or blocking for aetherblade.
• Bring graphic settings to Best Performance, with medium to high character model limits. It keeps the FPS up but less culling involved.

Or

• Don’t go with big zergs. Events do scale with zergs.

Yes but no other class has to be as caring and can still do equal or more damage!

Yes, but no other classes have that insane damage and that AoE size which brings you that much loots per hour. If you think that elementalists are too weak for the current meta, then it is definitely a L2P issue.

ElexOrieN.2130:

I run zerker and i’m glassy as can be, so no i’m not tanky it can not be be my armor rating. Warriors and Guardians are being completely ignored by the trash mobs.
And that applies to other pve content as well. Tequatl’s fingers throw their poison puddles at elementalists only. The embers from the Fire Elemental world boss attack and go after elementalists only. The shadows at the Risen Priest of Grenth boss attack elementalists only. The Spider Queen and Kohler in Ascalon Catacombs also attack elementalists only ignoring every other class around. The aggro mechanic needs to focus on heavy armor classes and not on squishy elementalists. ArenaNet needs to make ele’s either tanky enough to survive or make us immune to aggro. I’m getting sick and tired of being the one who every mob/boss attacks first.

So you run full zerker glass, do a crapton of dmg, and you complain that the mobs choose to attack you and you get instagibbed because you chose to roll full glass?

Look, the ele has issues, but you are a perfect example of the game’s design working as intended in PvE. You want to see big numbers? Then you’ll have 12k hp and dental floss for armor.

The larger issue with events like this is just how clustereff’d they are, making it nigh on impossible to dodge anything. But hey, if you know that already just pick up some cheapo PVT gear to run in there with.

If they fixed the kittened aggro system it wouldn’t be that much of a deal since if you use staff, you can stay at 1200 range. But the way it is now is totally ridiculous, my ele gets focused by almost every aimed attack from bosses, doesn’t matter if it’s open world fights or dungeons. In cof, when I run it with my s/f build and lightning hammer, bosses focus the kitten out of me while there are 3 warriors standing next to them being ignored. The elementalist is already the weakest class and in addition to that, it’s the primary target for mobs. I could live with that if my damage was by far the highest in the game, but as we all know the best you can achieve is to be at the same level with the warrior class.

Rarely do you quit a game that you really like because the guys responsible for the balance do such a poor job, but I’m getting closer and closer to leaving GW2 because of that particular reason.

Sometimes I’ll take 2-3 times my max health in damage from stuff I couldn’t possibly hope to see in the clusterkitten that is stacked zerg warfare, but then I get revived about as instantly.

The general game mechanics are what are at fault here, really.

cursE.1794:

If they fixed the kittened aggro system it wouldn’t be that much of a deal since if you use staff, you can stay at 1200 range. But the way it is now is totally ridiculous, my ele gets focused by almost every aimed attack from bosses, doesn’t matter if it’s open world fights or dungeons.

That’s exactly what i was trying to tell everyone, but these ignorant ele fanboys just don’t want to understand. Ele IS an aggro magnet, but these liars will always say hurr durr “l2p issue git gud”. Ele draws insane aggro whether these liars like it or not. Anet should make Warriors & Guardians draw all the aggro, but no! Mobs/bosses go straight for the ele.
And PLEASE don’t listen to these fanboys here in this forum, you are NOT a bad player, it’s NOT a learn to play issue on your part, it’s a badly broken bugged aggro mechanic that picks the weakest (ele) as the main target.

cursE.1794:

In cof, when I run it with my s/f build and lightning hammer, bosses focus the kitten out of me while there are 3 warriors standing next to them being ignored. The elementalist is already the weakest class and in addition to that, it’s the primary target for mobs. I could live with that if my damage was by far the highest in the game, but as we all know the best you can achieve is to be at the same level with the warrior class.

Just play something else. I’m leveling a Mesmer right now, and it’s much more fun to play than the elementalist because the Mesmer NEVER get’s focused. Make yourself a Warrior, Guardian or Mesmer and enjoy playing GW2 without the aggro issue that elementalist has at the moment.

cursE.1794:

Rarely do you quit a game that you really like because the guys responsible for the balance do such a poor job, but I’m getting closer and closer to leaving GW2 because of that particular reason.

Don’t leave GW2! It’s fun if you don’t play an elementalist. As already mentioned try rolling a different class and things will be much better. And don’t listen to the fanboys here trying to tell you that “it’s all your fault”. This “l2p issue” is their excuse for everything, they refuse to acknowledge facts and lie like there’s no tomorrow.

honestly I think alot of classes can get taken out if they roam around alone. This meta is ment to be run with groups. Its easy to get over taken by 3-4 enemies even in zerg groups.