Elementalist vs Mesmer

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Posted by: Torafugu.1087

Torafugu.1087

Someone Explain this to me, Why Mind Wrack can proc Sigils while Frost Bow Cannot.

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Posted by: ArmageddonAsh.6430

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Its simple: Mesmer is played by one of the 2 class “balance-ers” while Ele isnt. Thats why Mesmer, Thief, Guardian and Warrior are so strong and Necro, ele and Ranger are not as these 3 classes are not played by them.

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Posted by: DiogoSilva.7089

DiogoSilva.7089

Its simple: Mesmer is played by one of the 2 class “balance-ers” while Ele isnt. Thats why Mesmer, Thief, Guardian and Warrior are so strong and Necro, ele and Ranger are not as these 3 classes are not played by them.

Since when is a Warrior stronger than an Elementalist, or even a top-tier profession at all? Could a warrior even kill a pre-patch bunker ele at all? Seriously, just because HB+frenzy works well against noobs, it does not makes the warrior overpowered. Truly overpowered professions are the thief, the mesmer and the guardian. And those three have been getting nerfed and nerfed again, more so than the any elementalist nerf so far (including EA). Likewise, necro, ranger and -yes- the elementalist either have gotten the most complete buffs so far, or are promised to get them soon. In fact, the elementalist was, like, an overpowered juggernaut during the initial stages of beta, killing faster back then than a thief today. For a profession with long-term power (20 skills) compared to a blow-it-all power (adrenaline), that sure was crazy.

Regarding the original topic, I think it’s because of the mechanics behind environmental weapons. They’re usually independent from character builds, and it happens that conjures are environmental weapons (if I’m not wrong). I believe they’d have to redesign either how enviroment weapons are, or redesign the mechanics behind conjures. Or find any other solution.

When it comes to shatter, it’s a direct mesmer skill. It’s affected by mesmer’s builds, just like how attunements can be affected by elementalists’ builds.

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Posted by: Zaviel.1245

Zaviel.1245

Since when is a Warrior stronger than an Elementalist, or even a top-tier profession at all? Could a warrior even kill a pre-patch bunker ele at all?

Killing a bunker-anything is near impossible alone. That is the point of those types of builds. Warriors, Guardians, and my grandmother can all bunker pretty well, making it a group effort to take them down.

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Posted by: DiogoSilva.7089

DiogoSilva.7089

I still don’t see what’s so bad about a warrior, although I barely played one myself.

What broken builds do they have? Thieves used to have stealth bugs that made them stronger than they should, overpowered heartseekers/ pistol whips, and currently have a troublesome backstab build. Shatter mesmers are so kitten strong, you even wonder if there’s any decision-making behind sacrificing your clones for mind wrack – there usually isn’t, because they have buttloads of ways to spawn illusions. Guardian’s bunkers are ridiculous, and they used to be pretty overpowered with long-duration retaliation/ countless self-boons before all the nerfs have taken place.

Really, even the old bunker elementalists used to be far more relevant and important to pvp than warriors in general.

Outside of a random warrior appearing at your back from nowhere at the middle of a fight and surprising you with a frenzied HB – which is pretty annoying, playing against warriors usually leads to pretty balanced fights, as it’s very easy to counter them.

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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

@DiogoSilva

Warrior is not Op I agree. However it is the balance point. Almost any weapon set combo is good. That’s where warrior shines no matter the weapon its at least OK there isn’t a single bad one. In the same sense warrior can counter just about anything. It can fight any class its that class in this game the middle the one every other class is supposed to be balanced against.

For instance thieves are good burst dps OK at range with SB but P/P is usually kitteny and their support and bunker builds are crap. Guardian can do ti all but there range weapon scepter is lack luster and weak in PvP (the orbs move so slow). Mesmer is the troll of all troll class even past thief but its support is nearly never seen due to the fact that illusion builds shatter or other wise are so strong (when was the last time you saw a strong mantra build?). Bunker is non existent as the class has to absolutely move. In PvE strong aoe will ruin a shatter builds.

The thing is though ArmageddonAsh is right. All these classes have been gifted with being great in PvP. Warrior have one of the best max range weapons and the strongest melee aoe CC in the game (literally 2 of them could stun lock you to death even with breaks). Thief back stab stealth what more needs to be said. Guardian bunker. Mesmer shatter confusion stacking. The oter thing its most of these require little effort to execute properly.

On the other hand (I don’t want this wall to go much farther but to sum up). Ele attunement swapping is basically required no strong one or two element builds. ranger pet ai aoe damage taken and dps is lackluster. Stuck with condition damage builds power builds are beyond lack luster. They also can’t chase at all literally you can walk away.

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