Guild Wars 2

Currently, with the “bugs” causing “unintended” use of Conjure Fiery Greatsword and Tornado being gone, I find myself hardly ever using any of our elite skills.. I mean I summon my elemental when soloing and sometimes during group play but I don’t expect them to do much except die to the first aoe the boss does.

But aside from that.. the few times I tried to use tornado “as intended” it became a suicide pact since I couldn’t heal or use defensive utilities while in that form.

I’ve written Tornado completely off at this point Even using it to trigger lightning rod or push people off the edge of platforms it’s just not worth it.

Conjure Fiery Greatsword I’ve used a bit, but mostly for mobility, not damage. Or I might summon it during a tequatl burn phase, after having dropped lava font and meteor shower, summoning ice bow and using frost storm, discard, lava font, summon fgs, drop fire storm, use fiery whirl, and then discard it to use another lava font.. it’s niche at best. It just doesn’t feel elite.

If I use supply drop on an engi, it feels elite, spawning multiple turrets and causing a big stun on summon.

If I use a war banner on warrior, it feels elite, ressing a bunch of downed allies at once

Dagger storm feels elite, reflecting projectiles and blendering through a zerg, especially if equipped with signet of malice to keep you alive.

Time warp feels elite.

Ele skills aside from Tornado are just seemingly negligible improvements of utility skills we have, and Tornado is a suicide button.

When are we going to get elite skills?

Same me (D/D ele): got the human racial Reaper of Grenth sticked to my bar since a while. FGS is good in any build IMHO. But if you use it as an escape skill??? You are right! It doesn’t worth an elite slot.

But don’t forget please: some of our weapon#5 skills are better then some elites of another profession in this game…

Meteor, Healing Rain, Obsidian Flesh, Churning Earth…

Same here. Tornado was elite when you could boost Meteor shower in WvW and FGS was elite when you could burst down a boss. But since then, i never use any elite skill on my ele. I understand the FGS change, but right now FGS is pretty much useless.

I don’t think they care that the ele has no elite worthy of that name. Guild Wars 1 had good elites for the ele.

In PvE, I usually use FGS to get around the map quicker (you can even help a friend), although it would be REALLY nice if they put the damage at the end of fiery leap that they were supposed to.

The glyph summons aren’t bad in situations where you can let them tank and draw aggro away from you. In a boss situation, the fire elite can be worth it just to get one of the fire barrage off, and the water if you need a big heal.

Tornado has no use, you are right. You can troll with it if you sneak onto a really tight ledge where you can knock people off, I guess.

Many of the racial elites are probably more useful for pve, unless you really want to get around quickly.

I cant understand why the glyph simmons cant be more then 60 sec, for example necros Flesh Golem stay alive without time limit untill he dies…

As of now Eles have no elite skills. While I agree that FGS nerf was kinda necessary cause it was widely exploited in pve, I cannot justify Tornado nerf – it got literally destroyed. It has no use anywhere except dueling on point in spvp.

Changes I think might make our elite skills feel... useful? Less terrible?

- FGS
Let us actually use this with weapon swap. Lock us into it for 10s/out of it for 10s like other weapon swaps, sure, but don’t make all of our other weapon skills completely inaccessable while we’re using it.
Also... yeah. Fiery rush.

- Tornado
Make its active effects... active. Ground-targeted lightning bolts, targeted 900-range launch that doesn’t just waste itself most of the time. Projectile absorption (or reflection?). A way to heal - or at least cleanse movement-impairing conditions - while in the transform.
Basically, make it something we *use*, not just a fancy suicide animation.

- summons
These are sort of okay now, though only as minor dps increase in most areas of the game, or a bit of a tank for soloing upgraded camps in WvW. Actives: why are they not usable out of combat?! Surely it’d not be OP to initiate combat with a 1s stun from an air elemental?

Please undo the changes to Tornado! The players (customers) discovered and used appropriately a synergistic aspect to this game. That should be rewarded, not taken away!

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

I just think they need to create 1 new GOOD elite for every class, but this is the one for ele I’d really like..May be OP in some eyes, but whatever ill share anyway.

Elemental Overload
Lasts: 15 seconds CD: 120 seconds Cast time: 1/2 second
You go into a concentrated state and can bind the elements at your will. For 15 seconds you can change attunements with no CD’s (No CD’s meaning no attunement swapping CD’s)

Boons will still be applied, per switch, and you can still be cc’d

I wouldnt call it completely OP mostly because it doesn’t give a power increase or anything like that.. just lets you go into an “Avatar” type transformation. Cool imo

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

It’s less damage than my meteor shower ticks.

It’s less damage than all the ticks of lava font added up (which is the main source of damage for a staff)

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

Oh for crying out loud get over yourself. Just stick to what you know instead of spouting junk comments about ppl you know nothing of and compare the skill to the other slot you have and tell me what is “elite” about it? It does less damage than a lot of non-elite skills and the recharge is way higher. FGS is also guilty of this since the frost bow, who has a lower recharge, is more interesting.

Is the skill bad? No. Can you do interesting things with it? Sure, nobody says otherwise. However, that is beside the point. The point is, it is not “elite”. If you let me pick any other non-elite of my choice instead of any of our elite, I will take a regular skill to fill my last slot over an elite skill.

I use Tornado still in Silverwastes. It’s an excellent skill on the Teragriffs, esp when they swamp a fort NPC

I have to say that the only good Ele elite is the water elemental with his 6k heal. Everything else is rather useless. But he’s not alone friends, Necro has no good elite too, just the golem wich often dies in stupid ways. Lich form deals less damage than dagger auto attack. And engineer only has the supply crate wich is semi good too.

To be honest for PvE there are only a few good elites: Time Warp, Battle Standard and Daggerstorm (maybe thief buddies too).

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

Oh for crying out loud get over yourself. Just stick to what you know instead of spouting junk comments about ppl you know nothing of and compare the skill to the other slot you have and tell me what is “elite” about it? It does less damage than a lot of non-elite skills and the recharge is way higher. FGS is also guilty of this since the frost bow, who has a lower recharge, is more interesting.

Is the skill bad? No. Can you do interesting things with it? Sure, nobody says otherwise. However, that is beside the point. The point is, it is not “elite”. If you let me pick any other non-elite of my choice instead of any of our elite, I will take a regular skill to fill my last slot over an elite skill.

PvE heroes these days.

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

In PVP you’re looking at an opponent with under 40k health, usually between 15-20k health, and your targets move out of ground targeted pulsing aoes like meteor shower and lava font, so yeah, a 6k burst from the elemental feels like a lot

In PVE, everything is a damage sponge. 6k is nothing, you’re doing 4k-6k ticks a second on lava font and it’s got 100% uptime along with 5k fireballs, meteors ticking for 6-8k multiple times every 30s… that 6k from the elemental is a drop in the bucket.

The other major difference is that in PVP, your opponent is not going to target the elemental and kill it, they’re going to target you, and try to burst you down. So your elemental will probably live its entire duration, so you’ll be able to pop that skill every 15s up to 4 times.

In PVE, a boss aoes will generally 1 shot squishier targets like yourself, you have to dodge to not die. Your elemental is slightly more sturdy, but in 2 aoes by the boss it will probably die, and you’re on a 96-120s cooldown.

So for PVE, that fire elemental results in being able to use that aoe once or twice, on a 120s cooldown.

Not everything that is useful in PVP is useful in PVE and vice versa.

It’s also not all that useful in wvw. a zerg will walk right over it and it’ll be destroyed in seconds, and that fire burst will not do nearly as much damage to someone in full soldier’s.

So you’re saying it’s really good in sPVP?

Fine, 1 elite is highly useful in 1 gameplay mode out of 3.

Because in PVE, it’s only useful while soloing, in group content it’s a throwaway, maybe you use it because heck, you can’t just leave the slot empty.

In WvW it’s a complete wash, and the only marginally useful elite is fiery greatsword, and only for mobility.

Xyonon.3987:

I have to say that the only good Ele elite is the water elemental with his 6k heal. Everything else is rather useless. But he’s not alone friends, Necro has no good elite too, just the golem wich often dies in stupid ways. Lich form deals less damage than dagger auto attack. And engineer only has the supply crate wich is semi good too.

To be honest for PvE there are only a few good elites: Time Warp, Battle Standard and Daggerstorm (maybe thief buddies too).

I’ve never seen the water elemental heal for that high, are you in full healing power gear? It’s far less. for me.

Devildoc.6721:

Xyonon.3987:

I have to say that the only good Ele elite is the water elemental with his 6k heal. Everything else is rather useless. But he’s not alone friends, Necro has no good elite too, just the golem wich often dies in stupid ways. Lich form deals less damage than dagger auto attack. And engineer only has the supply crate wich is semi good too.

To be honest for PvE there are only a few good elites: Time Warp, Battle Standard and Daggerstorm (maybe thief buddies too).

I’ve never seen the water elemental heal for that high, are you in full healing power gear? It’s far less. for me.

The tooltip is wrong and no I’m full zerk. 6636 with 0 HP – it’s extremly much. Almost no cd. Try it at a 80 spot ^^ awesome

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

Oh for crying out loud get over yourself. Just stick to what you know instead of spouting junk comments about ppl you know nothing of and compare the skill to the other slot you have and tell me what is “elite” about it? It does less damage than a lot of non-elite skills and the recharge is way higher. FGS is also guilty of this since the frost bow, who has a lower recharge, is more interesting.

Is the skill bad? No. Can you do interesting things with it? Sure, nobody says otherwise. However, that is beside the point. The point is, it is not “elite”. If you let me pick any other non-elite of my choice instead of any of our elite, I will take a regular skill to fill my last slot over an elite skill.

PvE heroes these days.

Was that an argument or an admission of having none wrapped in a poor substitution?

Fiery rush is still bugged. Should be eles biggest damage skill and do about same damage as auto attack.

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

Lettuce.2945:

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

You are absolutely right. I fail to see the fire elemental as a game changer.

I can see the moa morph and the crate as elite that are game changer, but never the glyph of elementals. And I’ve main an ele since day 1. People usually more or less ignore my elementals in my duels as oppose to say, a thief guild that truly put pressure. It is better than it was, but it is no more a game changer than any other of my skills. And, yes, I did push the elemental skill button every flipping time coupled with my other attacks. All of them. It can do superb damage if it all hit at once, but it is true of my other options too… why is that skill elite again?

The tornado has potential… but sadly it is a suicide to use it 95% of the time. As for the FGS, how is it anymore a game changer than me icing you with skill 5 on the ice bow before using it’s AoE? The ice bow is plain better in many more relevant ways. So, sorry but no, I still disagree.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

You are absolutely right. I fail to see the fire elemental as a game changer.

I can see the moa morph and the crate as elite that are game changer, but never the glyph of elementals. And I’ve main an ele since day 1. People usually more or less ignore my elementals in my duels as oppose to say, a thief guild that truly put pressure. It is better than it was, but it is no more a game changer than any other of my skills. And, yes, I did push the elemental skill button every flipping time coupled with my other attacks. All of them. It can do superb damage if it all hit at once, but it is true of my other options too… why is that skill elite again?

The tornado has potential… but sadly it is a suicide to use it 95% of the time. As for the FGS, how is it anymore a game changer than me icing you with skill 5 on the ice bow before using it’s AoE? The ice bow is plain better in many more relevant ways. So, sorry but no, I still disagree.

I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate it to you. It does not matter if you mained ele since day one. The fire elite was boosted in the recent change to the instant cast. And the damage went up (which wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes for some reason). You can actually control the burst now to sync with your own burst. But you fail to realize that potential. It’s on you and on you alone. If you can’t even see why it’s a game changer, then maybe Ele isn’t the right profession for you.

You’re completely missing the point of this topic…

Elite skills feeling like Elite skills. Ele’s aren’t elite skills because we already have a skill like it that isn’t one… FS isn’t an elite skill because it got nerfed and now it’s no greater than the other summonable weapons. And Tornado is an Elite skill, it’s just that it’s suicide to use that.

The point is going over your head. It isn’t saying they aren’t useful, it’s saying that the one’s we have don’t feel as such.

KsmxRaika.5489:

You’re completely missing the point of this topic…

Elite skills feeling like Elite skills. Ele’s aren’t elite skills because we already have a skill like it that isn’t one… FS isn’t an elite skill because it got nerfed and now it’s no greater than the other summonable weapons. And Tornado is an Elite skill, it’s just that it’s suicide to use that.

The point is going over your head. It isn’t saying they aren’t useful, it’s saying that the one’s we have don’t feel as such.

Again, it’s about knowing how to use it. It certainly feels like an elite to me. It changes outcomes for me. Sorry you still haven’t figured it out. Sounds like a l2p issue to me.

Lettuce.2945:

I’ll say it again. PvE heroes these days. PvP is the only game mode where elites actually does matter. PvE…You are fighting against AI. Any halfwit with a brain could easily overcome a boss. Doesn’t require much skills, just coordination of your party. But in pvp…It’s an entirely different matter. So yeah, stop talking about pve, kk? kkthxbai.

“PVE” skillsets also apply to WvW.

Your game mode is relegated to a few rotating maps and one objective type, don’t think it’s any more important than the other 2 game modes.

People still want better skills to kill the giant blobs of HP faster.

That AI will 1 shot you, if a player one shots another on level player, whatever that player did will get nerfed.

Xyonon.3987:

Devildoc.6721:

Xyonon.3987:

I have to say that the only good Ele elite is the water elemental with his 6k heal. Everything else is rather useless. But he’s not alone friends, Necro has no good elite too, just the golem wich often dies in stupid ways. Lich form deals less damage than dagger auto attack. And engineer only has the supply crate wich is semi good too.

To be honest for PvE there are only a few good elites: Time Warp, Battle Standard and Daggerstorm (maybe thief buddies too).

I’ve never seen the water elemental heal for that high, are you in full healing power gear? It’s far less. for me.

The tooltip is wrong and no I’m full zerk. 6636 with 0 HP – it’s extremly much. Almost no cd. Try it at a 80 spot ^^ awesome

I have tried it and it heals for like 2300.

Lettuce.2945:

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

Prior to the september update, Tornado and FGS were gamechangers. FGS in PVE and Tornado in WvW. 2 Eles using FGS on a dungeon boss (and 2 other party members picking up the other greatsword) melted a dungeon boss so fast it didn’t have time to do its mechanics It just died. Now you’re better off using Lightning hammer, a normal utility skill instead, and the damage from your elemental, whatever your timing, is such a drop in the bucket it’s insignificant.

Tornado in WvW.. if a commander said “suppress that wall” because there was arrow carts or cannons up there, a single Ele using meteor shower and tornado on that wall would drop 2-3 defenders so fast that it let your group break down the walls almost unchallenged, Now it does nothing to assist in clearing a wall, and normal meteor showers don’t do enough damage to down a defender before they can escape. That defender who was on the cannon will dodge roll out of meteor shower having taken a tick or two, heal up, and jump back on the cannon now that your 30s cooldown is done and he doesn’t have to worry about big damage anymore. he can harass your group long enough for his group to arrive in force and repel your invasion.

So anet took 2 gamechangers and made them not game changers, and the only change they made positive only has effect in one of 3 game modes.

One in three game modes.

You should challenge him to quickscope 1v1 snipers on rust.

In WvW, I use earth elemental elite to tank camps or tower champs when I’m with a small group while I AOE them down, and just yesterday used the tornado to pretty much turn the tide of a siege against a larger group by scattering the people defending their catas and other siege long enough to disable them, dropping it early and skedaddling back to the keep before they jumped me.

Seems okay to me.

Heck, Tornado was so fun and useful in so many places that I switched my engineer’s elite to Elixir X for its version.

If I had any complaints about it, it’d be simply that: Engineers have a version. Elite skills should be unique.

Fire ele summon dies in moments to anybody with cleave, takes a long kitten time to summon, has a multisecond telegraph, does not cancel previous animations to cast the active, and does about as much damage as a burning speed and a half.

It’s kitten.

Water ele is a better summon in 100% of all pvp cases, and I’m playing full zerk d/d so I’m by no means undervaluing burst damage. And even the aoe knockback/burst healing/aoe chill gets completely dominated when you compare it to supply drop/Timewarp/lich/plague/SoRage/anything.

It’s not that we’re not seeing the possibilities with glyph. You aren’t seeing the possibilities with other elites.

Did they take away the tornado elite from Ele’s?

Ameno.6813:

Did they take away the tornado elite from Ele’s?

nerfed it. honestly its only real use atm is forcing people off point in pvp and stability for WvW when trying to get thru a gate.

I honestly just want an elite signit and a good ol’ buff to the glyph of elemental prefered buff method is three fold the elementals stick around as long as they are alive just like necro minions its only fair its not that powerful like really not that powerful at all. and two give the poor thing some vit and toughness in WvW a havoc squad of 5 will kill it on accident no focusing required. finally make their skills ground targetable with the exception of the stun which is clearly meant to be targeted at your current target

Ameno.6813:

Did they take away the tornado elite from Ele’s?

They took away the ability to use it for boosting power on prior cast skills in particular meteor shower, what it shows to me is that without that unintended use of the skill, there are glaring flaws with the INTENDED use of the skill, largely that if you use it your life expectency is about 5s before you get downed because you’re a HUGE target, everything will focus fire you, in PVE and in WvW. It also bars you from using your healing skills or your utility skills to protect yourself.

I think the only way to make the skill truly viable as an elite is to revamp it completely.

Make it not a transformation but just a big aoe spell with CC. because it pulses only once every 3s it’s easy to avoid taking too much damage from, but it becomes an excellent area denial ability then, throw it on top of a downed ally to res them without having to worry about thieves stealth dunking (dunking with stability would still be possible for counterplay however). I would use it then. Currently I don’t use it because it just gets me downed.

Rangerdeity.5847:

I honestly just want an elite signit and a good ol’ buff to the glyph of elemental prefered buff method is three fold the elementals stick around as long as they are alive just like necro minions its only fair its not that powerful like really not that powerful at all. and two give the poor thing some vit and toughness in WvW a havoc squad of 5 will kill it on accident no focusing required. finally make their skills ground targetable with the exception of the stun which is clearly meant to be targeted at your current target

Why an elite signet?

I mean personally, what I want done with Ele elites is, I think Glyph of Elementals is okay for the time being, it’s truly an elite skill for solo pve or in small scale PVP, alright. It’s not so elite in group PVE or WvW, and that’s fine. That’s what we have now and I just think there should be other elite options for group PVE and WvW. Fiery Greatsword needs to be stepped down to a normal utility, and just can Lava Axe maybe transferring one of its skills to the GS (the 2 skill is the most likely candidate). Tornado needs to not be a transformation, even if that removes it from Elixir X, but just a ground targetted skill.

That leaves room for a brand new Elite skill, which is an exciting possibility You’re saying a signet (since we already have a glyph and a conjure). I don’t necessarily disagree but.. what would the signet do?

I mean our other skill types are Arcane, Aura, and Cantrip. I think like Conjures, it’s best if we only have 1 Cantrip and Aura per attunement (my idea is reducing the number of conjures to only have 1 per attunement)

Which leaves Signet, and Arcane

I have no idea what a new elite signet would be since we already have a signet for each attunement plus a healing signet

Arcane I can think of a skill that’d be pretty nice to have as an elite, even if it was originally a mesmer skill in GW1: Arcane Echo. You’d use it and for a duration of time the next skill you use would be duplicated by arcane echo for a period of time, maybe 30s. You’d be able to cast 4 meteor showers in under a minute, or 2-3 static fields, or something like that. It can be highly useful if used right.

The only other real thing is that the way I want to change tornado.. that’s a loss of a source of stability.. so.. some other source of stab would be nice. But frankly I don’t use Tornado for stability because they can just strip it or well, usually they just blow you up in 2-3s because you’re such a big obvious target.

Ele’s shouldnt be using an elite skill, they should be providing water fields!

At least in WvW any way.

But I agree, the only ele elite skill I use is the Fiery Greatsword, not to fight, but to use skills 3 and 4 to increase my speed to either catch up to my group or ge to a contested tower faster.

None of the other elite skills have any use at all for me!

Rangerdeity.5847:

I honestly just want an elite signit and a good ol’ buff to the glyph of elemental prefered buff method is three fold the elementals stick around as long as they are alive just like necro minions its only fair its not that powerful like really not that powerful at all. and two give the poor thing some vit and toughness in WvW a havoc squad of 5 will kill it on accident no focusing required. finally make their skills ground targetable with the exception of the stun which is clearly meant to be targeted at your current target

An an Engineer, I use the Ele elite as a reverse stealth tactic. I pop my tornado and maybee get a single knockback in, and then immediately drop it and use a skill like overcharged shot. It takes a second for the dust to settle (literally) after you drop the elite and it’s really hard to tell what animation the player is going to use next, and of course the element of surprise as nobody really expects you to drop tornado several seconds into it.

Tornado could use a little something else.

Maybe reflecting projectiles, or making it a cantrip so it can be affected by several traits.

Maybe allow attunement swapping while under this form. Maybe even have skills that change with the attunement. Each attunement could have three skills: An autoattack, one targeted, and one PBAoE:

• Fire – “Firenado” form, the tornado looks more orange and deals burning on contact.
  • Fireball.
  • Flame Blast
  • Ring of Fire
• Water – “Twisting Blizzard” form, the tornado looks bluish, and deals chilled on contact.
  • Ice Shards
  • Freezing Gust
  • Frozen Burst
• Air – “Twister” form, the tornado looks like it does not, and pushes on contact.
  • Chain Lightning
  • Lightning Strike
  • Windborne Speed
• “Dust Devil” for, the torndo looks more like a Dust Mite Twister, deals bleeding on contact.
  • Rock Shards.
  • Dust Devil
  • Ring of Earth.

I would also like for all professions to have healing, 4 utilities and elite for each of their available skill types. That means for elementalists there’s missing arcane healing, and missing elite cantrip, arcane and signet.

MithranArkanere.8957:

That means for elementalists there’s missing arcane healing

no it isn’t. it’s missing a cantrip heal.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Tornado could use a little something else.

Maybe reflecting projectiles, or making it a cantrip so it can be affected by several traits.

Maybe allow attunement swapping while under this form. Maybe even have skills that change with the attunement. Each attunement could have three skills: An autoattack, one targeted, and one PBAoE:

• Fire – “Firenado” form, the tornado looks more orange and deals burning on contact.
  • Fireball.
  • Flame Blast
  • Ring of Fire
• Water – “Twisting Blizzard” form, the tornado looks bluish, and deals chilled on contact.
  • Ice Shards
  • Freezing Gust
  • Frozen Burst
• Air – “Twister” form, the tornado looks like it does not, and pushes on contact.
  • Chain Lightning
  • Lightning Strike
  • Windborne Speed
• “Dust Devil” for, the torndo looks more like a Dust Mite Twister, deals bleeding on contact.
  • Rock Shards.
  • Dust Devil
  • Ring of Earth.

I would also like for all professions to have healing, 4 utilities and elite for each of their available skill types. That means for elementalists there’s missing arcane healing, and missing elite cantrip, arcane and signet.

And underwater? Sharknado.

Devildoc.6721:

Make it not a transformation but just a big aoe spell with CC. because it pulses only once every 3s it’s easy to avoid taking too much damage from, but it becomes an excellent area denial ability then, throw it on top of a downed ally to res them without having to worry about thieves stealth dunking (dunking with stability would still be possible for counterplay however). I would use it then. Currently I don’t use it because it just gets me downed.

This... yeah, this is a thing that I might run. Mediocre damage, pulses AoE launch once every 3s, but it doesn’t make me a ridiculously easy to shutdown target or lock me out of the versatile set of skills that define this profession.

Filaha.1678:

And underwater? Sharknado.

YES

My personal thoughts on this matter is turn ‘Fiery Greatsword’ into an actual weapon set with the same abilities. ‘Tornado’ should have different attunement attacks. ‘Summon Greater Elemental’ is fine at the moment but a damage increase would be nice. ‘Summon Lesser Elemental’ can be even more useful at some times due to the water attunement chill. ‘Fiery Greatsword’ if it was turned into a weapon set:
Skill 1: Flings 3 fireballs at your foe (channeled)
Skill 2: Blocks the next attack and counters by rolling back, leaving a line of fire(which burns) (fire field) on the ground.
Skill 3: Spin towards your foe while unleashing multiple fireballs around you which burn your foe
Skill 4: Charge towards your foe then leap and strike him.
Skill 5: Thrust your sword into the ground, causing molten lava (fire field) (burns) to burst out of the ground under your opponent, immobilizing them for 2 seconds.

Signet of rebirth. Passive reduces attunement swap by 2 seconds. Active resets all the cool downs on weapon skills.