Guild Wars 2

Just as the title says. He was the person that made me fall in love with my Ele, and just when I’m thinking on what prof to change to I saw his last video…

When someone as optimistic as WP says that, you know something is wrong.

(yes, I can keep playing my regular awesome ele, but after 3 years, I wanted to try something different, and I will but probably not with my ele)

You can’t say stuff like this without links. It’s a real cliffhanger.

Sorry, is just that the same video talks about the spoiler IGN did… and I did not want to ruin part of the surprise of this Saturday.

Here is the link, but yeah… spoiler alert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsbDUzGM1o

Honestly tempest wouldn’t be so bad at all if they completely redid the traitline to not suck kitten .

Part of the issue is that tempest doesn’t feel as OP as base ele, but I don’t think its that terrible.

If they just redid the traits so that each set of 3 tiers would have playstyle synergy, it’d be a good spec.

For example as I’ve said before:

Make one bruisery/sustain tier line with shouts/aura traits.

Make one line focusing on spamming protection and giving bonuses to protection such that tempest is the master of protection in the same way that reaper is the master of chill or berserker is the master of burn.

Make a final line more offensive in nature and focus on making the overloads more offensively potent. I had an idea for a triat called “Tempest Offense” that would boost overload damage and damage while in an overloaded attunement by 20%. Stuff like that would be really cool, and it wouldn’t totally disregard the support theme of the spec.

But overloads blow, there not fun, and they are not viable in ANY game-mode. They don’t synergize with the entire base design of the class.

Look at the other elites so far, every single one not only doesn’t disrupt the current class, but augments it in a shifting, but synergistic way.

Temp is the only elite that straight up PUNISHES you for playing the old way. So many of our traits in other lines are balanced around us constantly swapping atune, our abilites damage and cooldowns are ballence around that idea. Our auto attacks are kitten, balanced around that idea. Our passive defense is kitten ballenced around the idea of swaping to be defensive and offensive.

Shouts aren’t offenseve but auras aren’t a viable defense either so they fall in a wierd half decent sub category. Our elite is well… we all know that one… and yeah the traits are unsynergistic with themselves, let alone other lines… Also for some kittening reason all 3 minors should be the first trait and the other 2 should be traits that compliment the base classs (you know like every other elite)

Tempest is bad, no exceptions.

I have no problem if Overloads balance itself out because of being bad in mechanics.
I would skip them and make the traits useful so tempest works. And one spec can then make overloads playable. The work to be done is in the traits an a new rebound.

worst spec so far is an understatement, it’s the worst spec so far by far.

it’s a carbon copy of an existing role/playstyle, overloads are crap, shouts are crap, traits are crap, elite is crap, warhorn is boring. Even the animations are crap.

He said Tempest was his least favorite elite spec…

he said “least favourite”. I’m pretty sure it’s not worse then DH.

The fact is that tempest is not bad on its own, the problem is that Ele is too strong, can do already everything. Thay should move something from core specs to tempest.

Face this fact: even with all the specs in the game, Ele is probably still the strongest class in the game.

propably its only one specific build not the class ……
And this is no reason to make an expansion spec unintresting. This makes just bad press and nearly no one will use it.

when i look at tempest:

Overloads: unintresting by being limiting the class and hard to use. As result it can´t be weigted positive for the specs balance power.
Warhorn: brings nothing new. Can´t compete with my focus unless i want healing.
Shouts: Intresting but untraited totally underpowerd compared to current utilities.
Traits: Can´t compete with anny basic traitline. It´s a huge net loss.
An on top of that rebound. WTF?

So if i want to make a shout build, i have to trait for that. I will get a few good shouts (2-3) on my bar for replacing arcane traitline + utilities loosing: speed, damage, condi removal, boonsharing , blast finsher , furry, stunbreaker and defence.
And because of the mechanic i can´t coun´t overloads as a gain.
Result is quite clear…..
And i am not a player that just rants on things. I am a game designer myself.

BUT: I see that the concept must not fail. A few corrections would make it quite fine. It won´t please all hardcore 4 ele swaping d/d but provide new builds that also support the teams. Also i see support builds that can work in teams and that seems to be the major goal of tempest.

About elites, you guys know what I think it’s a real slap in the face? The engineer can have more skills than any other class, including ele, and yet he got an F5 and another elite skill was reworked to quickly become part of many game modes and builds.

I think we should voice our opinions and don’t take ANY of our current elites for granted. They should be tools worth the cooldown, but aside from Glyph of Elementals (which has its uses in sPvP and PvE), all the others simply don’t fit. Tornado and the GS became too much meh, and breaks any rotation taking place.

Change Rebound to recharge all overloads like how guardian Renewed focus work.

Won´t help….
Better make it synergize als aura shout. Best as condi remover + aura share Like

instant cast
50s cooldown.
Remove all condition from you.
Share 6s light aura.

Still not as great as other elites, but fits tempest an helps with some specs.
Then make speedy conduit not a boon. Make it a permanent 33% speed increase.
Thats unique, simplifies things and seems not OP bound to tempest and fits the storm theme. This allows more spec variations and will especiall help less skilled players.
For me this two changes would be enough to use tempest in WvW and PvE.

least favorite =/= worst

Logic 101

Killyox.3950:

least favorite =/= worst

Logic 101

While that is true, it doesn’t change the fact that tempest are still the worst elite spec so far.

I don’t think that this is an unknown symptome. When you play the class alot you abviously want the stuff it gets to be great and mind blowing. Also the first things you think about are what you will have to sacrifice to take this spec. Lets take shin for example, he is least hyped by the berserker elite spec, inks said that everything about the dragon hunter feels clunky and slow and that he couldn’t get it to work at all.

Part of these statements is failed expectations but the other half is to rally the community to think as they do so that anet will bend through all the complaining. They all want the thing that their class got to be the best and its natural enough. Everyone wants that but to use it in such a way, I think its pretty manipulative.

Pride.1734:

I don’t think that this is an unknown symptome. When you play the class alot you abviously want the stuff it gets to be great and mind blowing. Also the first things you think about are what you will have to sacrifice to take this spec. Lets take shin for example, he is least hyped by the berserker elite spec, inks said that everything about the dragon hunter feels clunky and slow and that he couldn’t get it to work at all.

Part of these statements is failed expectations but the other half is to rally the community to think as they do so that anet will bend through all the complaining. They all want the thing that their class got to be the best and its natural enough. Everyone wants that but to use it in such a way, I think its pretty manipulative.

You have no clue what is going on with Tempest.

To be fair most of the other elite spec are major power creep for the classes all though they lose more then just a line from the old classes where tempest loses nothing from ele other then just one line. There less added to tempest becuse there simply less lost from going from ele to tempest.

Valento.9852:

Killyox.3950:

least favorite =/= worst

Logic 101

While that is true, it doesn’t change the fact that tempest are still the worst elite spec so far.

worst elite spec for the best class that will continue being the best class after HoT. It’s not a big problem, you can live.

Stop breaking this game eles

Kidel.2057:

Valento.9852:

Killyox.3950:

least favorite =/= worst

Logic 101

While that is true, it doesn’t change the fact that tempest are still the worst elite spec so far.

worst elite spec for the best class that will continue being the best class after HoT. It’s not a big problem, you can live.

Stop breaking this game eles

I don’t understand how you want to be taken seriously in the Revenant sub-forum, but you come here to troll.

It’s a huge problem that Eles have a bad elite spec; we’re paying good money for a quality product and getting shafted like that makes everyone angry, understandably so.
I think most Eles would be more than happy for D/D Ele to be nerfed as long as they don’t completely destroy our sustain, because that’s exactly what happened a long time ago and we became total trash in pvp, but of course, we can’t actually do anything because Karl doesn’t post here and all our feedback is largely ignored.

@Malchior, while I understand your rage, you shouldn’t blindly state Karl is ignoring us. I think he’s kind of sorting out our current situation… we should just wait until the very next time they talk to us.

Valento.9852:

@Malchior, while I understand your rage, you shouldn’t blindly state Karl is ignoring us. I think he’s kind of sorting out our current situation… we should just wait until the very next time they talk to us.

I said Karl is not posting here, but I didn’t specify it’s him ignoring us :L

Leo G.4501:

He said Tempest was his least favorite elite spec…

Sorry for my bad English.

For me, Least and Worst are the same when you view it as a competition.

Jhoul.6923:

Leo G.4501:

He said Tempest was his least favorite elite spec…

Sorry for my bad English.

For me, Least and Worst are the same when you view it as a competition.

“Least favorite” has different context than “worst spec”. If Tempest had a conceptual angle that you just don’t agree with but happened to be fully functional while the other specs had conceptual angles that you agreed with and even imagined, of course the spec that didn’t line up with your imagined idea would likely be your least favored.

What constitutes a “worst spec” would need the context of balance, utility, animations, something. If you’re going to take the time to take other people’s words out of context to use as fuel then you don’t have room to ignore that context. And if all you wanted to do was point at someone’s words out of context to continue to jab at the devs you could have posted in any other currently existing thread.

Jhoul.6923:

Leo G.4501:

He said Tempest was his least favorite elite spec…

Sorry for my bad English.

For me, Least and Worst are the same when you view it as a competition.

Don’t worry they’re just trying to rationalise it away.

Jski.6180:

To be fair most of the other elite spec are major power creep for the classes all though they lose more then just a line from the old classes where tempest loses nothing from ele other then just one line. There less added to tempest becuse there simply less lost from going from ele to tempest.

Exactly +1

Oh yeah, Herald lost SO much more stuff than Ele, that’s why it’s not garbage!
Makes sense that Tempest sucks since it gives up just as much stuff

So here’s a question, of the nine classes, which class should have the worst spec? I mean, just logically speaking, one of them has to be the worst, if it’s not the Tempest, which class really deserves to have the worst elite spec in the game?

Ohoni.6057:

So here’s a question, of the nine classes, which class should have the worst spec? I mean, just logically speaking, one of them has to be the worst, if it’s not the Tempest, which class really deserves to have the worst elite spec in the game?

It all depends on how you define worst. You can define it two ways: how well it succeeds in bringing something new to the profession or how popular it ends up being. No profession deserves to have the worst.

By the first definition, warrior should be considered for getting the worst. The design of the warrior is (and continues to be) based around having a very simple set of skills, utilities, and traits. No if-then kind of things. No real complex rotation. This means that there will always be less to add to the warrior without making it complex. And a complex elite spec for the warrior goes against the design of the warrior. Therefore it’s the worst.

This is the current issue with Tempest. Just because Elementalist is fine right now, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get something that goes completely against our playstyle. The Daredevil (IMO) is currently the best under this definition. It doesn’t drastically change the thief, but it does add another layer without interfering with the foundation.

The second definition could be ANY of them. It just depends on how things play out. Two years ago, if you tried to bring up fire staff camping as an Ele…well…you were told to get good and play a stronger build. (Not exactly, but not my point). As the game evolved and better tactics for bosses emerged, fire staff became better and better.

I’m not saying Tempest needs to be OP. I’m not saying it should be better than what we have. I’m saying it should be different WITHOUT breaking up the foundation of elementalist. That’s what I’ve seen other elementalists who are very against the Tempest to want as well. Even if I don’t use Tempest in dungeons, I would love to play my ele in a new way. And the more people play it, the more metrics Anet has to improve the elite spec. I’m glad Karl mentioned (in the stream today) that they are working on Tempest first as it shows that at least they do get there is a problem. It might be too late in the development cycle to make the changes needed to properly make an elite spec, but there still might be some good to come out of failing an elite spec. It sucks that the ele is given the first failure, but…it had to happen eventually to some profession at some time.

I think Overloading Attunements should not hinder your Attunement cooldown at all, here is how I think they could fix it in my opinion.

- You must stay in your attunment for 7s before overloading.
- Overloading Attunements does not increase cooldown of attunements.

- And finally the trash that is REBOUND, it should instead be called “Maelstrom!” and the skill would activate your Attunement Overload without waiting the 7 seconds, but it would retain the 3/4s cast time and possibly higher CD.
So ultimately the elite would still not be great like the other Ele elites, however it wouldn’t be useless and would see more use

There’s no chance to stay in one attunement with dagger mainhand for 7s (except air), let’s be reasonable.

Drazerg.8956:

I think Overloading Attunements should not hinder your Attunement cooldown at all, here is how I think they could fix it in my opinion.

- You must stay in your attunment for 7s before overloading.
- Overloading Attunements does not increase cooldown of attunements.

- And finally the trash that is REBOUND, it should instead be called “Maelstrom!” and the skill would activate your Attunement Overload without waiting the 7 seconds, but it would retain the 3/4s cast time and possibly higher CD.
So ultimately the elite would still not be great like the other Ele elites, however it wouldn’t be useless and would see more use

wrong name. Maelstrom is a violent whirlpool.

It all depends on how you define worst. You can define it two ways: how well it succeeds in bringing something new to the profession or how popular it ends up being. No profession deserves to have the worst.

Well, but somebody will be the worst, that’s just math.

By the first definition, warrior should be considered for getting the worst. The design of the warrior is (and continues to be) based around having a very simple set of skills, utilities, and traits.

And by your first definition, the Berserker would be close to worst, since it’s basically just “A ’zerker Warrior, only more of that stuff.” It’s a very cool class, but doesn’t really bring a lot of new stuff to the equation.

Anyways, of the ones we’ve seen, I do agree that Tempest is likely the worst, and I do hope they make some tweaks to it, both in performance and in visuals, but I think it has promise to perhaps not be the worst without them having to make massive structural changes, and if not, well somebody’s got to be the worst, why not one of the better classes currently in the game? Take one for the team guys.

Ohoni.6057:

It all depends on how you define worst. You can define it two ways: how well it succeeds in bringing something new to the profession or how popular it ends up being. No profession deserves to have the worst.

Well, but somebody will be the worst, that’s just math.

By the first definition, warrior should be considered for getting the worst. The design of the warrior is (and continues to be) based around having a very simple set of skills, utilities, and traits.

And by your first definition, the Berserker would be close to worst, since it’s basically just “A ’zerker Warrior, only more of that stuff.” It’s a very cool class, but doesn’t really bring a lot of new stuff to the equation.

Anyways, of the ones we’ve seen, I do agree that Tempest is likely the worst, and I do hope they make some tweaks to it, both in performance and in visuals, but I think it has promise to perhaps not be the worst without them having to make massive structural changes, and if not, well somebody’s got to be the worst, why not one of the better classes currently in the game? Take one for the team guys.

I definitely wouldn’t mind tempest being the worst elite spec if it wasn’t so bad. Anet should strive to make all of the elite specs good in some way, even though one will inevitably end up being the worst. What bothers me is that I can’t find a reason to use tempest in any game mode. It would just be a shame if Anet worked hard to make the new and shiny elite specs, just to have some end up almost unused.

True, and I imagine that even if they did launch that way, they’d know which ones weren’t seeing use, and would continue to evolve them. I imagine that will be top priority of the skills teams once the actual bugs are patched over.

I hope they make the Tempest the best it can be, whatever that is, I just don’t like all this comparative commentary, “they got something way better than what we got.” I’m sure the dev team was doing their best, in a collaborative fashion, to make an elite spec for each class that they thought was cool, and if they missed their mark they’ll work to fix it. I’m sure nobody set out to kitten the Ele fans.

On the other hand, I don’t see the core functions of the Tempest changing all that much, hopefully some tweaks will make it worth using, otherwise Eles will likely have to wait until the next elite comes out (like those hoping for rifle Thieves).

Tempest is not good or bad. Tempest just makes no sense. While other elite specializations add something different to core class or at least change a bit already existing ways of playing tempest just goes against base ele. One trait line refuses to work with other two.

Not at all, Tempest works great with the D/D spec. You have to shift how you play it, roll the Overloads into your builds, but it’s a cool idea. At the moment the math doesn’t seem to work out, doing that would reduce your DPS, but that’s just a numbers issue, and partially fixed this next BWE. They can also add some more utility to the Overloads, maybe mobile fields, make the shouts more impactful, spice up the visuals a bit, but I think it can become a quite solid spec.

I have a feeling though that Ele traits are some of the hardest to work with, because you’re intended to use all four elements, and yet you can only have three trait lines, and in the Tempest’s case only two, one of which could very easily be Arcane. I could see in future specs them making the trait line with a lot of redundancies, where traits in the elite line can each mimic two or more of the functions in the “element” lines, allowing some more design versatility.

Only way to use overloads without having giant “kill me” sign over your head is to hide somewhere, precast it and then blink in. Might as well go scepter burst build and have more support and surviveability and some synergy between your skills, play style and weapons.

Every trait line works with D/D spec, even a horrible one.

Ohoni.6057:

It all depends on how you define worst. You can define it two ways: how well it succeeds in bringing something new to the profession or how popular it ends up being. No profession deserves to have the worst.

Well, but somebody will be the worst, that’s just math.

By the first definition, warrior should be considered for getting the worst. The design of the warrior is (and continues to be) based around having a very simple set of skills, utilities, and traits.

And by your first definition, the Berserker would be close to worst, since it’s basically just “A ’zerker Warrior, only more of that stuff.” It’s a very cool class, but doesn’t really bring a lot of new stuff to the equation.

Anyways, of the ones we’ve seen, I do agree that Tempest is likely the worst, and I do hope they make some tweaks to it, both in performance and in visuals, but I think it has promise to perhaps not be the worst without them having to make massive structural changes, and if not, well somebody’s got to be the worst, why not one of the better classes currently in the game? Take one for the team guys.

In terms of PvE (as that’s all I play on my ele), I’ve stated time and time and time again that Elementalist is only good in the current game. Breakbars could end up making Ice Bow much worse to use (which I do hope btw. A nice indirect nerf.) The condition application on Eles is utter crap so the new content in Fractals might be harder if we have more bosses with low vitality and high toughness. (Which Anet did say that mob stats will change)

If bosses start to have smarter tactics or just moving on their own like Lt. Kohler, then everything on a staff is harder to land. D/F doesn’t suffer as much, but it still requires minimal movement from bosses as it lacks any form of gap closer outside of Earth 3. And if more bosses start reflecting projectiles (like Grawl shaman phase 1 and Arch Diviner at higher levels), then staff will have to either start bringing lightning hammer or just rely on Lava Font and Meteor Storm for that duration.

And overloads and tempest ONLY make this problem worse. Yes, the channel will do a good bit of damage, but of the boss moves out of the AoE…you now either have to camp the attunement or not be able to use it for 20 seconds. And that’s only if you successfully channel it. What if you have to dodge? Or get interrupted? There is only risk involved for minimal reward.

I hate how people say “Oh ele is the best and you’ll be fine.” The minute that bosses don’t allow stacking or require conditions…Elementalist stops being as effective. And we should WANT better bosses. We should WANT diversity in our gameplay. Tempest currently (IMO) is being crap because the developers became complacent with the profession. And I really hope this comes back to bite them. Not out of spite but for a wake-up call to the real state of the Elementalist.

Only way to use overloads without having giant “kill me” sign over your head is to hide somewhere, precast it and then blink in. Might as well go scepter burst build and have more support and surviveability and some synergy between your skills, play style and weapons.

Ok, then you won’t be happy with the Tempest. No need to belabor the point, it’s a closed issue.

Anyways, of the ones we’ve seen, I do agree that Tempest is likely the worst, and I do hope they make some tweaks to it, both in performance and in visuals, but I think it has promise to perhaps not be the worst without them having to make massive structural changes, and if not, well somebody’s got to be the worst, why not one of the better classes currently in the game? Take one for the team guys.

In terms of PvE (as that’s all I play on my ele), I’ve stated time and time and time again that Elementalist is only good in the current game.

That’s true of any class though. “Oh, if they changed this then the class would be awful.” Well true, so hopefully if they do make changes that would ruin the class, and had good enough reason for them that they wouldn’t change it back, then they would also make changes to the class that would offset those changes. There’s no point doom and glooming about changes that might not happen.

The condition application on Eles is utter crap so the new content in Fractals might be harder if we have more bosses with low vitality and high toughness. (Which Anet did say that mob stats will change)

I thought burn Eles were a thing now.

And overloads and tempest ONLY make this problem worse. Yes, the channel will do a good bit of damage, but of the boss moves out of the AoE…you now either have to camp the attunement or not be able to use it for 20 seconds.

The point of the Overload should be the channel phase, not the burst phase. Stay on top of the mob and you’ll be ok. As for the cooldown, 20 seconds is not an eternity if you work it right. Use all your moves in one attunement, Overload, use all the moves that have come off coooldown, swap, use all your moves there, Overload, use the moves that have come back, and the first one should be off Overload already.

And that’s only if you successfully channel it. What if you have to dodge? Or get interrupted? There is only risk involved for minimal reward.

Yes, they need to make Overloads a bit safer, not 100% safer, but a bit more likely to work outside of a concentrated effort to stop you, and they have the tools to do so.

Tempest currently (IMO) is being crap because the developers became complacent with the profession.

I really don’t believe that. I believe that they designed it to be the best Ele spec they could for this release, knowing what content would be coming, and if it turns out that it needs work, they’ll put work into it.

Valento.9852:

Pride.1734:

I don’t think that this is an unknown symptome. When you play the class alot you abviously want the stuff it gets to be great and mind blowing. Also the first things you think about are what you will have to sacrifice to take this spec. Lets take shin for example, he is least hyped by the berserker elite spec, inks said that everything about the dragon hunter feels clunky and slow and that he couldn’t get it to work at all.

Part of these statements is failed expectations but the other half is to rally the community to think as they do so that anet will bend through all the complaining. They all want the thing that their class got to be the best and its natural enough. Everyone wants that but to use it in such a way, I think its pretty manipulative.

You have no clue what is going on with Tempest.

I played tempest longer than WP did :P
You have a crappy elite and your overloads are clunky. Numbers are tuned low to start off on all elites so thats a non issue. On the flipside pretty much all of your shouts are improved necro shouts. There is the viewpoint that the problem is less tempest being too bad in what he does but ele being too good in just about everything.

Pride.1734:

I played tempest longer than WP did :P
You have a crappy elite and your overloads are clunky. Numbers are tuned low to start off on all elites so thats a non issue. On the flipside pretty much all of your shouts are improved necro shouts. There is the viewpoint that the problem is less tempest being too bad in what he does but ele being too good in just about everything.

You forgot about traits and warhorn.

No offense to WP, he’s a nice guy and I love his stream, but he ain’t exactly hard to please, especially since he has heavy incentive to like the content, he makes more money the more people that like it and play GW2, and liking it himself convinces other people to do likewise.

If he doesn’t like it (and he doesn’t, he blatantly stated he didn’t see himself playing it in the expansion over any of the other specs or even the base Ele) it has to be pretty bad.

Pride.1734:

I played tempest longer than WP did :P
You have a crappy elite and your overloads are clunky. Numbers are tuned low to start off on all elites so thats a non issue. On the flipside pretty much all of your shouts are improved necro shouts. There is the viewpoint that the problem is less tempest being too bad in what he does but ele being too good in just about everything.

The necro shouts are pretty good actually.

If you read around this forum a bit, you’d see that quite a lot of Ele mains would be glad to have Tempest lose a lot of the group support in return for a new playstyle based around damage and/or control.

Tempest fails mainly because it’s no different than the D/D & D/F specs we’ve all been playing for the past 3 years. This is the core problem. Overloads being too slow, ineffectual, and overly punitive when interrupted is a different issue.

What if Overloads actually punished interruptions? Like what if you were channeling them for 4 seconds, but if someone interrupted you at 2 seconds, it would cancel the channel, but immediately launched the final burst anyways. It would still do the bulk of its damage, and go into CD slightly sooner, making it faster to get back to.

i don’t think channelling anything for 5sec is going to fun, regardless of the outcome, leave aside the weak effects, punitive CD lockout, and silly-looking animations.

scerevisiae.1972:

i don’t think channelling anything for 5sec is going to fun, regardless of the outcome, leave aside the weak effects, punitive CD lockout, and silly-looking animations.

Yeah most channels > 1 seconds are dreadful to cast. these are 5x that. I know its been beat to the ground but churning earth… The concept of channeling on the lowest hp armor class with no reasonable access to block/stability is just dumb. We’ve been forced into heavily defensive traits because of this since the start, we really needed active defensive, not more reason to go deeper into defense to not to kittening die from 100-0 as you attempt to cast for 5 seconds with no evade…

I enjoy channeling spells. On spellcaster type characters, it’s a staple as is the ability to manipulate casting itself being a staple of spellcasters. Having spells that require preparation, timing and situational awareness tend to open up the possibility of more potent effects which is why spellcasting is a staple of various roleplayer archetypes. I know I’m not the only one and from the perspective of a meta-gamer, it’s one of the main ways to provide strong potent effects, by attaching some sort of cost to it, otherwise it’ll be exploited even easier.

Leo G.4501:

I enjoy channeling spells. On spellcaster type characters, it’s a staple as is the ability to manipulate casting itself being a staple of spellcasters. Having spells that require preparation, timing and situational awareness tend to open up the possibility of more potent effects which is why spellcasting is a staple of various roleplayer archetypes. I know I’m not the only one and from the perspective of a meta-gamer, it’s one of the main ways to provide strong potent effects, by attaching some sort of cost to it, otherwise it’ll be exploited even easier.

Except channeling in this game as a risk/reward isnt effective. theres no ability in this game that feels like a pyroblast from vanilla wow. theres no spell cast in that manor at all actually. And even if there was daze/blind is so strong and readily accessible against channels it wouldn’t be viable in pvp.

I miss my mage caster as much as the next, but tempest is not that, its not even close. If the channels where 2 second MAX channel at range casts with huge burst drop/ massive CC/ support / condi pressure (fire/air/water/earth maybe?) I’d be all for it. Hell they could make it another ability auto attack style or 1-3 second cd that you gain for staining in the attune that coudl allow you to cast fireballs and kitten or augment your auto attack sustained pressure to make you actually want to stay in that attunement…

Seriously anything but the current state would likely be more viable and more fun.