Guild Wars 2

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Warrior-Hammer-vs-Ele-Hammer

Yes, my chin hit the kitten floor.

I’m quite curious why not a single class is treated the way warriors have been. Their numbers (both damage and survival) is substantially superior to what others can perform. Guardians come close, but they’re not there. Rangers, Necro and Eles are still seen as a freebie kill in many scenarios while they continuously get fixes that most often times are underwhelming or a downright nerf. I don’t intend to troll or start pointing fingers, but I’m starting to get tired of playing a video game that feels like it is based and balanced around a particular class.

This is not meant to feed a feud, it’s just my opinions and asking for others. Can anyone clue me in as to WHY warriors are allowed to be so overbearing?

i’m confused by your post and the linked post.

are you complaining that dumb people are comparing two completely different weapons to each other from two completely different classes and expect them to be similar/same?

i think its obvious he doesn’t realize what using a conjure does.

The fact that he has no idea the massive problem Eles have and that he thinks that conjures should be nerfed or the flooring idea warriors are deserving of a buff.

If anything I think Conjures are still horribly underwhelming. Gaining comprehensible stats is one thing but we still lose 15 weapon skills and sigils for a modest gain in two specific stats. Also taking into account lowest health, and sub-mediocre damage, I feel as though Anet is taking away any tools we McGuyver into being productive. Yes, I brought McGuyver into this.

ill be honest when i red that earlier a loled my kitten off.. i considered making a pvp video exclusively using the lighning hammer with “hammer time” playing the background, but then thought actually they might use that as evidence!

I stopped reading at “Guardians are not there”.

Xyvius.1679:

I stopped reading at “Guardians are not there”.

I meant as Guardians are not at the same level Warriors are. Same field yes, friends even, but still not equally as “OP”.

Rafe Mathews.2308:

Xyvius.1679:

I stopped reading at “Guardians are not there”.

I meant as Guardians are not at the same level Warriors are. Same field yes, friends even, but still not equally as “OP”.

That’s madness. Guards are by far the most powerful PvE profession and it’s not even close. They are the only class that can effectively facetank without having a fully defensive build. Warriors may do more damage, but they are nowhere near the overall utility and defense that a Guard has.

On topic, yes I do find that post quite funny. It’s like comparing GS to Elementalist’s Fiery GS.

Warriors are about as balanced of a class as they come. That particular poster from that thread is also very knowledgeable about the game and is actually a pretty good player. The whole purpose of that post was to bring attention to the lacking hammer damage from the warrior. I am not saying I agree with it, but that was his point.

Also, all of this complaining about Ele’s is kind of over the top. I don’t feel like my elementalist is kitten at all. I think the class does pretty dam well actually.

Finally, to suggest that warriors are on the same level as guardians, or even close to it, is laughable at best. Warriors are not as survivable as people seem to think as well. They have the largest base health pool, but they lack good condition removal which can really hurt them. Their damage is pretty good, but people seem to not realize they have essentially no condition damage where other classes who may not have as high of numbers as the warrior do just as much damage through their multiple conditions. I don’t want to get into it anymore, but I would say warrior is about as balanced as they come. To suggest otherwise is just incorrect.

That’s fine, if warriors are balanced then WTF just happened to Eles? Anet dug up the graves busted some caps just to make sure we’re dead enough, and reburied us. I’m not sure what you’re playing on your ele but 30 water or 30 arcane being nigh mandatory for both support and survival is just fail logic. Paired with Anet’s inability to produce a synergized trait system drives the nails into the hands and feet. The EA nerf, while not felt as explosively with D/D setups still raises up that cross.

Also, taking into account the wallop that they did to Rangers getting rick-rolled (Rangers getting fixed, lmfao) and Necros getting nerfed (WTF Right?) it’s becoming painfully obvious that the devs are throwing darts in order to come to conclusions about what profession/ability to nuke next. It’s like playing Rift’s launch all over again with the exception that no one is getting FOTM treatment by overzealous buffs.

I’m beginning to wonder why there are any options aside from playing a warrior with nuke-ability or a guardian able to survive it all.

/endrant

“Why aren’t my auto attacks as strong as their utility skill?” /facepalm

Serp.3264:

Warriors are about as balanced of a class as they come. That particular poster from that thread is also very knowledgeable about the game and is actually a pretty good player. The whole purpose of that post was to bring attention to the lacking hammer damage from the warrior. I am not saying I agree with it, but that was his point.

Also, all of this complaining about Ele’s is kind of over the top. I don’t feel like my elementalist is kitten at all. I think the class does pretty dam well actually.

Finally, to suggest that warriors are on the same level as guardians, or even close to it, is laughable at best. Warriors are not as survivable as people seem to think as well. They have the largest base health pool, but they lack good condition removal which can really hurt them. Their damage is pretty good, but people seem to not realize they have essentially no condition damage where other classes who may not have as high of numbers as the warrior do just as much damage through their multiple conditions. I don’t want to get into it anymore, but I would say warrior is about as balanced as they come. To suggest otherwise is just incorrect.

hmm why my attacks are not as strong as the class that has the smallest health and armor???
That guy is ignorant at best..not to mentionthat conjures drop your stats and thus your damage.Its like being kitten by someone and then having passing random strangers mock you..Thats how i feel about ele after the last update and that warriors hammer post..

Now now, just before you feel that bad, remember: people there are warriors. Maybe this is some kind of twisted roleplaying.

and tbh hammer has tons of bugs

oh noes…a warrior has said it…

incoming nerf to eles, buff to warriors…again…

people will always find something so small to complain about -.-

The mesmers are even worse. Read their bug thread in the bug forums.

Ele and Warrior are about even in terms of objective power level. Warrior is better raw offense, but Ele is far better group utility, mobility, and 1v1 capability. Guardian is significantly stronger than both of them, as are Thief and Mesmer.

Minor buffs to Warrior are no big deal at all.

Dunno what the problem is with warriors. Why do some people see them as so powerful? As a dd ele if I come out of a 1 v 1 against a warrior with less than three quarters health left i am disappointed. They are the easiest class to fight imo. Laughably predictable, easily counterable attacks. I for one can understand why they havnt been nerfed.

Yes, the hammer to conjured hammer thread is ridiculous but I can’t understand this dev’s favourites’ attitude towards warriors.

besbin.6302:

Dunno what the problem is with warriors. Why do some people see them as so powerful? As a dd ele if I come out of a 1 v 1 against a warrior with less than three quarters health left i am disappointed. They are the easiest class to fight imo. Laughably predictable, easily counterable attacks. I for one can understand why they havnt been nerfed.

It helps of course that every newbie plays a warrior, but only the most skilled players can stick with the elementalist for any length of time.

ThiBash.5634:

It helps of course that every newbie plays a warrior, but only the most skilled players can stick with the elementalist for any length of time.

It sure doesn’t hurt, but it’s also worth noting that Warrior just has a way lower skill ceiling than Ele. There’s only so much mileage an amazing player can get out of a Warrior.

mouse.1689:

ThiBash.5634:

It helps of course that every newbie plays a warrior, but only the most skilled players can stick with the elementalist for any length of time.

It sure doesn’t hurt, but it’s also worth noting that Warrior just has a way lower skill ceiling than Ele. There’s only so much mileage an amazing player can get out of a Warrior.

Really, I see this alot but it’s like comparing a push mower to a riding mower. Sure, the push mower will ‘get the job done’ but on the riding mower you can drink scotch, smoke a cigar, drink lemonade and eat a sammich. Fact is, warrior quality of life is much better than that of eles. Eles are still in dire need of a buff to damage OR survival (armor or vitality) since both are laughable now.

A warrior can charge into a 5+ group and reliably make a heavy dent before going down. An ele can’t compete on a scale like that, simply because the profession requires twice the work for half the results.