Guild Wars 2

Less QQing please. Simply putting it fresh air trait with air overload and lighting aura on proc will be messed up instant recharge on air overload with crits =D

Fresh Air Elementalist is back baby!

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

Just wrong air overload procs something like 15 Vulnerability and hits 1k hits for 8 hit that homes in on targets, what stream where you watching?

Raif.9507:

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

Raif.9507:

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

It has vuln as well and then lingers like the fire one which is a field you can use earth 2 for more vuln
Air auto is the only thing you lose while channeling everything else is isntant.
Good riddance i say.They also said they ll increase the range of it
5 sec in air is also not big deal since with the fresh air playstyle other att end up on cd and you are forced to stay in air for a period of time.
I know cause i played exclusively with fa a year ago when ele sucked. THERE is a downtime which you sit in air doing 1 and 2 with every other att on cd so you cant swap back and lighting strike.
You obviously still have phoenix burst and other combos..You dont just ..overload
Im gonna try it ..If it sucks It sucks :/

Hahahahaha as if you’ll EVER finish the channel in pvp.

Is there any reason to play Tempest over normal motherkittening ele in pvp?

You can still do ele and rock. It’s the strongest class atm. Have you noticed how much Dragonhunter is underwhelming?

grayskull.2367:

Just wrong air overload procs something like 15 Vulnerability and hits 1k hits for 8 hit that homes in on targets, what stream where you watching?

Did you… not understand what I wrote?

• 1.2K damage per tick
• Around 10-14 ticks
• 6 seconds in between each overload with fresh air (cast Overload -> leave air > return to air > wait 5 seconds to get overload > cast overload = 6 seconds)
• 5 second channel

I didn’t mention the vulnerability at all. What I was getting at was the potential 10K ish damage over a 5 second channel is not worth channeling it when you can do much more with Phoenix and other chained abilities.

Kidel.2057:

Is there any reason to play Tempest over normal motherkittening ele in pvp?

You can still do ele and rock. It’s the strongest class atm. Have you noticed how much Dragonhunter is underwhelming?

Well you can give your allies might and burn enemies with fire overload, you can heal and cleanse with water overload, deal damage with air overload and grant protection with earth overload.

Such completely amazing things that eles could have never done before, so why WOULDN’T you use Tempest?

/s

Cool theory grayskull, now let’s explain why it doesn’t hold up in reality:

Fresh air is a burst spec, meaning lots of damage over a 1-2s window, then “meh” damage from range while things recharge

Fresh air is INCREDIBLY squishy.

Air channel is melee range, for 5s, and completely cancels if you have to dodge. You have to dodge a lot when stuck in melee range (see above, re: squishy)

Most of the damage from fresh air comes from landing your phoenix burst, air 2, and AIR SWAPS. Sitting in air for 6-7s to channel the overload means you aren’t getting those air-swap procs.

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

BlackBeard.2873:

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

^this. Really if u play maradeur fresh air ele your only chance to overload an attunement is pop up obsidian flash, and means your are usining your best difensive skill for cast a skill that will be inferior at One Phoenix burst. And it mean your leaving water or arcana (what make u be semiviable as a dps spec) for the tempest line.

Idk i think i will still go air arcana water hoping in some rework at the scepter.

lucadiro.4519:

BlackBeard.2873:

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

^this. Really if u play maradeur fresh air ele your only chance to overload an attunement is pop up obsidian flash, and means your are usining your best difensive skill for cast a skill that will be inferior at One Phoenix burst. And it mean your leaving water or arcana (what make u be semiviable as a dps spec) for the tempest line.

Idk i think i will still go air arcana water hoping in some rework at the scepter.

You actually can’t use Obsidian Flesh to cast Air Overload because you need to sit in air for a few seconds before you can Overload by which time you’ll be vulnerable again.

Lol didnt think at that. So there is no way to cast an overload in a maradeur/zerk speck without be killed

lucadiro.4519:

Lol didnt think at that. So there is no way to cast an overload in a maradeur/zerk speck without be killed

Maybe for a few weeks it will be buggy and we can hide in mistform while channeling………………………………………………….

Raif.9507:

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

what many of you still fail to realize, the numbers are still OPEN, they repeated it several times that all of this will need balance changes in terms of damage lol…

Spambot.3625:

Raif.9507:

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

what many of you still fail to realize, the numbers are still OPEN, they repeated it several times that all of this will need balance changes in terms of damage lol…

When we actually see the change, we’ll stop complaining about the numbers.

All the channels seem incredibly easy to avoid and/or interrupt. Maybe if you were standing still in PvE?

Spambot.3625:

Raif.9507:

6 second interval between casts of Overload + very weak 1.2k crits over a 5 second channel with what looks like a total of 10-14 hits wants a word with you.

Fresh Air crits for way higher and does more damage with other abilities.

what many of you still fail to realize, the numbers are still OPEN, they repeated it several times that all of this will need balance changes in terms of damage lol…

No amount of number crunching will make overload worth casting. It NEEDS some mechanical design changes.

Malchior.5732:

lucadiro.4519:

BlackBeard.2873:

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

^this. Really if u play maradeur fresh air ele your only chance to overload an attunement is pop up obsidian flash, and means your are usining your best difensive skill for cast a skill that will be inferior at One Phoenix burst. And it mean your leaving water or arcana (what make u be semiviable as a dps spec) for the tempest line.

Idk i think i will still go air arcana water hoping in some rework at the scepter.

You actually can’t use Obsidian Flesh to cast Air Overload because you need to sit in air for a few seconds before you can Overload by which time you’ll be vulnerable again.

Just read this thread but wow. Are there any actual ele players in here? I mean, wow, no one has said anything regarding this?

Why not try starting the Air Overload then swapping to earth during the channel to pop Obsidian Flesh? I mean, garsh! Obsidian Flesh (and swapping attunements) are instant skills, after all…

Why waste your strongest defensive cooldown in order to channel a spell that’s not worth casting at all?

Also, way to nitpick at the details leo, you never let a chance to make a remark pass. Even if it’s trivial and besides the question. Keep it up! Glad to see you didn’t get bored of it after all this time.

Leo G.4501:

Malchior.5732:

lucadiro.4519:

BlackBeard.2873:

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

^this. Really if u play maradeur fresh air ele your only chance to overload an attunement is pop up obsidian flash, and means your are usining your best difensive skill for cast a skill that will be inferior at One Phoenix burst. And it mean your leaving water or arcana (what make u be semiviable as a dps spec) for the tempest line.

Idk i think i will still go air arcana water hoping in some rework at the scepter.

You actually can’t use Obsidian Flesh to cast Air Overload because you need to sit in air for a few seconds before you can Overload by which time you’ll be vulnerable again.

Just read this thread but wow. Are there any actual ele players in here? I mean, wow, no one has said anything regarding this?

Why not try starting the Air Overload then swapping to earth during the channel to pop Obsidian Flesh? I mean, garsh! Obsidian Flesh (and swapping attunements) are instant skills, after all…

Usually obsidian flesh need te be used for avoid enemy burst, once u have it up u can channeling something. But in a dinamic game like this u cant really wait they burst then start overload air, swith to earth then use obsidian flash. So or u use obsidian flash for overload earth (and with this no sinergy with FA) being locked out earth for 20 sec OR u use it in the way u told, using your best difensive skill for cast an overload that actually seems weak. So the choose is cast air overload safe and die in the next burst or dont cast it and avoid a spike burst

petyr baelish.9675:

Why waste your strongest defensive cooldown in order to channel a spell that’s not worth casting at all?

Also, way to nitpick at the details leo, you never let a chance to make a remark pass. Even if it’s trivial and besides the question. Keep it up! Glad to see you didn’t get bored of it after all this time.

Perhaps you didn’t read what I quoted? It was talking about being unable to use Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload. So tell me, is using Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload impossible or not?

Leo G.4501:

petyr baelish.9675:

Why waste your strongest defensive cooldown in order to channel a spell that’s not worth casting at all?

Also, way to nitpick at the details leo, you never let a chance to make a remark pass. Even if it’s trivial and besides the question. Keep it up! Glad to see you didn’t get bored of it after all this time.

Perhaps you didn’t read what I quoted? It was talking about being unable to use Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload. So tell me, is using Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload impossible or not?

All depends on if we can swap elements while channeling an Overload. Thematically, would make sense to not allow it while mechanically it exists.

I know what you were talking about and you are right. The point is that whether it is posible to use obsidian flesh or not is irrelevant because the overload is not worth casting under these conditions in the first place. My point is you have a knack for finding these kinds of ‘flaws’ and commenting on them. This doesn’t add much to the discussion and frustrates some people.

And yes I am aware of the irony.

Raif.9507:

Leo G.4501:

petyr baelish.9675:

Why waste your strongest defensive cooldown in order to channel a spell that’s not worth casting at all?

Also, way to nitpick at the details leo, you never let a chance to make a remark pass. Even if it’s trivial and besides the question. Keep it up! Glad to see you didn’t get bored of it after all this time.

Perhaps you didn’t read what I quoted? It was talking about being unable to use Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload. So tell me, is using Obsidian Flesh with Air Overload impossible or not?

All depends on if we can swap elements while channeling an Overload. Thematically, would make sense to not allow it while mechanically it exists.

Guess we should be looking for more answers before we go around making assumptions then. So we don’t know if we can channel overloads and swap attunements during. Don’t you think that’s a possible question to bring up then rather than ranting and raving that we can’t do anything while channeling them?

petyr baelish.9675:

I know what you were talking about and you are right. The point is that whether it is posible to use obsidian flesh or not is irrelevant because the overload is not worth casting under these conditions in the first place. My point is you have a knack for finding these kinds of ‘flaws’ and commenting on them. This doesn’t add much to the discussion and frustrates some people.

And yes I am aware of the irony.

If pointing out facts frustrates you, I suggest you get off the internet.

I’ve always asked questions. I rave at the things I know (such as damage is too low) to get them changed and calmly ask what the functionality is of things I don’t.

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Overloading requires to stay in an attunement for 5 seconds before even ATTEMPTING to activate the 5 second channel

what trait line would you drop?
air is required for FRESH AIR
Arcana reduces attunement cooldowns
you’re gonna drop water?
have fun with that

you don’t stay in air attunement…..
even if you ARE using your overloads for a filler next to the trash scepter auto attacks, you’ll be locked out of that attunement for even longer, further reducing your Fresh Air Bursts
especially if using Fire, locking you out of Phoenix for additional seconds on your precious skill?
Water attunement being technically your “dedicated heal” if running signet?

no

i’m not saying it’ll be completely worthless, just, it seems like it conflicts with Fresh Air more than any other build as of now

Leo G.4501:

Malchior.5732:

lucadiro.4519:

BlackBeard.2873:

To understand more in depth, think about why fresh air ele doesn’t use tornado. If you are channeling your overload, you basically have a big sign on your head that says “please 2-hit KO me! If you don’t, I’ll gradually tickle you to death over the next 5 seconds if you don’t just block/invuln/walk away”

^this. Really if u play maradeur fresh air ele your only chance to overload an attunement is pop up obsidian flash, and means your are usining your best difensive skill for cast a skill that will be inferior at One Phoenix burst. And it mean your leaving water or arcana (what make u be semiviable as a dps spec) for the tempest line.

Idk i think i will still go air arcana water hoping in some rework at the scepter.

You actually can’t use Obsidian Flesh to cast Air Overload because you need to sit in air for a few seconds before you can Overload by which time you’ll be vulnerable again.

Just read this thread but wow. Are there any actual ele players in here? I mean, wow, no one has said anything regarding this?

Why not try starting the Air Overload then swapping to earth during the channel to pop Obsidian Flesh? I mean, garsh! Obsidian Flesh (and swapping attunements) are instant skills, after all…

Way to nitpick.
Anyway, lets assume you can actually switch attunements to cast Obsidian Flesh. What now? You wasted your best defense to do less damage than you would have done by just following your rotation.

I want to see a fresh air zerker/marauder ele survive the channel time.

Laraley.7695:

I want to see a fresh air zerker/marauder ele survive the channel time.

1v1 shouldn’t be too hard for a single Overload. Cast Arcane Shield, maybe pop Signet of Air for a quick Blind.
Team Fights with competent players though? I don’t think it’s going to end very well.

Malchior.5732:

Laraley.7695:

I want to see a fresh air zerker/marauder ele survive the channel time.

1v1 shouldn’t be too hard for a single Overload. Cast Arcane Shield, maybe pop Signet of Air for a quick Blind.

LOL? 4 Autoattacks + any CC.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Malchior.5732:

Laraley.7695:

I want to see a fresh air zerker/marauder ele survive the channel time.

1v1 shouldn’t be too hard for a single Overload. Cast Arcane Shield, maybe pop Signet of Air for a quick Blind.

LOL? 4 Autoattacks + any CC.

Well, that depends entirely on what you’re fighting, what range, etc.
:L
You’re also assuming you don’t blind the CC with Signet of Air(Or Blinding Ashes if you use Fire Overload) or that you’re not casting Earth Overload and can tank the first CC.