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Posted by: Kidel.2057

Kidel.2057

Insane and gamebreaking. Pulsing area blind? What the… and that huge fire field? How long does it last? You can blast it like 6 times alone.

WP is going to be happy, but those are serious issues. Ele is already the strongest class, so those things are going to provoke a ele nerf or a buff of all the other classes (maybe after a couple of years…), both bad things.

If classes are too strong, content is not fun.

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Posted by: Guizao.4167

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Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

It’s all about THE COLORS

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

Ya because 25% on your next skill cooldown = Rampage.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

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Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

nearlight.3064

I love the warhorn skills but offhand dagger is still more broken because of the amount of burn ring of fire can apply on such a low cooldown. Other than that and the lack of blast finishers, I feel that warhorn is pretty well balanced.

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

Ele is the beat overall class it has been for awhile but let’s not jump to conclusions about elite specs. chronomancer whole not as flashy looked extremely powerful as well. Reaper may or may not be the new biggest hitter. Dragonhunter… well see

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Posted by: Kidel.2057

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That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

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Posted by: Kidel.2057

Kidel.2057

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing area blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

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That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

Ele only gets really good DPS if they stand in Lava Font; as in, no Pulsing Blind.

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Posted by: Guizao.4167

Guizao.4167

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

No, it’s wrong. Necromancers don’t have access to vigor but have a second lifebar and rangers can stay at a long range while attacking so it can avoid massive projectiles’ damage (rifle warr for instance)

It’s all about THE COLORS

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Posted by: dtox.8397

dtox.8397

Eles ALREADY have pulsing blinding.Sandstorm Glyph.

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Posted by: Guizao.4167

Guizao.4167

Eles ALREADY have pulsing blinding.Sandstorm Glyph.

Yes but that’s too static. Warhorn pulsing blindness is more abrangent

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Posted by: Kidel.2057

Kidel.2057

Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

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Posted by: Guizao.4167

Guizao.4167

Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

And what’s the matter? Isn’t it meant to support your allies? Or is it too much to just avoid the fields?

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Posted by: Navzar.2938

Navzar.2938

I love how we have a moving water field now. Great to support pugs

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

Conncept.7638

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

While I agree with your first statement, that second is just completely inane. The condition builds on both my necro and my ranger outpace that of my elementalist by leaps and bounds. While a hybrid build for my ele is undoubtedly better than either. And in the case of my ranger power build as compared to my ele, I wouldn’t say one is flat out better than the other, but there is no amount of sustain that is safer than one of the highest damage weapons in the game at a range no other class can even approach.

My opinion on the specialization. Its exactly what the BASE CLASS has needed since launch, reasonable rewards for dedicating oneself to a particular attunement or mechanic. Unfortunately, because of that, it meshes little to NOT AT ALL with the majority of the base class content, and I honestly can’t see what people are going to do with it.

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

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My opinion on the specialization? Its exactly what the BASE CLASS has needed since launch! Unfortunately, because of that, it meshes little to NOT AT ALL with the majority of the base class content, and I honestly can’t see what people are going to do with it.

EotM…

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

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Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

While I agree with your first statement, that second is just completely inane. The condition builds on both my necro and my ranger outpace that of my elementalist by leaps and bounds. While a hybrid build for my ele is undoubtedly better than either. And in the case of my ranger power build as compared to my ele, I wouldn’t say one is flat out better than the other, but there is no amount of sustain that is safer than one of the highest damage weapons in the game at a range no other class can even approach.

You will seriously argue that ele is not flat out better than ranger or necro in pve? Seriously? Sorry, what I said was not “inane.”

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

Conncept.7638

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

While I agree with your first statement, that second is just completely inane. The condition builds on both my necro and my ranger outpace that of my elementalist by leaps and bounds. While a hybrid build for my ele is undoubtedly better than either. And in the case of my ranger power build as compared to my ele, I wouldn’t say one is flat out better than the other, but there is no amount of sustain that is safer than one of the highest damage weapons in the game at a range no other class can even approach.

You will seriously argue that ele is not flat out better than ranger or necro in pve? Seriously? Sorry, what I said was not “inane.”

Not my fault you apparently suck with your ranger and necro. In the same time I can apply about 12 stacks of burning and 18 stacks of bleeding on my ele, on my necro and ranger I’ve applied 24-32 stacks of bleeding, 10-12 poison, chill, weakness, and various amounts of vulnerability. And 5 stacks of burning on my necro, 10 on my ranger. And in the case of my necro, I’ve also transferred conditions to you at least twice. Your disillusionment with the burning condition does not make the game.

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

Did somebody tell the OP that the blind field last 5s and pulse max 2 times on a 30s CD?

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Posted by: Drayos.8759

Drayos.8759

Insane and gamebreaking. Pulsing area blind? What the… and that huge fire field? How long does it last? You can blast it like 6 times alone.

WP is going to be happy, but those are serious issues. Ele is already the strongest class, so those things are going to provoke a ele nerf or a buff of all the other classes (maybe after a couple of years…), both bad things.

If classes are too strong, content is not fun.

Most ridiculous thing i’ve ever read.

How is elementalist “The strongest proffession” seriously? we’re locked into ONE BUILD atm, we litterally are forced into 0 Diversity because how little really does work in the proffession sure we’re good at something and that makes us a top tier pvp proffession but no where near broken.

we can even be D/D Sustain and Decent Damage or a full bunker, we have 0 Competitive Condi builds 0 Effective Power builds…. we’re litterally forced into One Jack of Trades which has abit of everything but not as powerful as any other proffession can really excel in.

The burn field? its called Moving out of it…. its a Pathway of Fire, do u just Stand in our fire expecting it not to do any damage cause ur lazy? No, it isnt like we have incredible range we’d have to follow u OFF the field to do anymore damage so effectively MOVING is a complete counter to the effects. we’re giving up Ring of Fire for it anyway lol.

Dust stom?… it does look strong very strong in situations, wouldnt say OP though – Most can clear condis if it was to effect them too much and also tbh its within a area again so u can easily just move away from it, we’re getting some good AoEs which will require u to actually move yes… that doesnt make it broken.

it does NOT provoke Nerfs to Elementalist, With the amount elementalist will lose it actually takes ALOT from the elementalist which people like u deem “strongest”.. Alot of now muichly needed skills are dissapearing without offhand dagger, it isnt like they’ve moved any of those Amazing skills across to keep us using them, the inital loss of those Will put us far beneath the belt so that none of this will effect us.

Remember, u have to look at a Elementalist with only 3 of its attacks, (without offhand dagger) to see what areas will be good/bad not Imagine it with BOTH Weapons and Stack these Ontop cause thats just NOT happening, Were REPLACING our off hand weapon with this new one not combining them.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing area blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

the Pulsing blind wont even have that much of a Effect in PvE, its two pulses with a huge CD like 2 strikes will make that massive difference in its Survival lol, seriously if ur going to actually try to press this It’ll only make a Impact in PvP, we all know that, Challanging Content, THe bosses will likely be immune to Blinds etc etc as part of mechanics Dont know if u noticed BUT EVERY GAME HAS THAT STANDARD!!!

this will only effect PvP and Im seeing With the Loss of Mobility a Loss in its Sustain And becoming hugely countered by Mesmers and Thief it’ll Suffer Nothing close to a nerf for this, it isnt Overpowered or broken.

Against Monsters in PvE, ur ment to win, the designs are for u to WIN, so why would it matter lol.

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Posted by: The Great Al.2546

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Insane and gamebreaking. Pulsing area blind? What the… and that huge fire field? How long does it last? You can blast it like 6 times alone.

WP is going to be happy, but those are serious issues. Ele is already the strongest class, so those things are going to provoke a ele nerf or a buff of all the other classes (maybe after a couple of years…), both bad things.

If classes are too strong, content is not fun.

Thief basically has perma-blind and so does Guardian (at least in PvE)

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Posted by: The Great Al.2546

The Great Al.2546

Insane and gamebreaking. Pulsing area blind? What the… and that huge fire field? How long does it last? You can blast it like 6 times alone.

WP is going to be happy, but those are serious issues. Ele is already the strongest class, so those things are going to provoke a ele nerf or a buff of all the other classes (maybe after a couple of years…), both bad things.

If classes are too strong, content is not fun.

I agree with the poster that said the Ele is the strongest class, but that is based on one very one dimensional build that may or may not still be relevant once HoT and especially the challenging group content comes out.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

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That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

Ele only gets really good DPS if they stand in Lava Font; as in, no Pulsing Blind.

If u do over all DOTS 17 sounds about right but that not really true about Lava Font, having a nice condie build does that, doing flat out dmg I would say that I do consistently shot out hits that are from 10k to about 20k if i’m lucky higher

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Posted by: Drayos.8759

Drayos.8759

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

Rangers are no longer bad, Just saying Loads are now jumping on the proffession its really strong since the patch, so to say they still suffer is a Lie.

The issue with necromancer has existed LONG before tempest, to now see a reveal and be like WOAH! guys WOAH! what about necro they so bad?! why u giving this to tempest???? Im sorry but its just ridiculous to pull up that argument, the proffession has been bad for ages and it isnt ONLY tempest which proves that so just isnt a valid argument really.

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Posted by: xarallei.4279

xarallei.4279

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

Rangers are no longer bad, Just saying Loads are now jumping on the proffession its really strong since the patch, so to say they still suffer is a Lie.

The issue with necromancer has existed LONG before tempest, to now see a reveal and be like WOAH! guys WOAH! what about necro they so bad?! why u giving this to tempest???? Im sorry but its just ridiculous to pull up that argument, the proffession has been bad for ages and it isnt ONLY tempest which proves that so just isnt a valid argument really.

My comments have nothing to do with the tempest so I’m not sure why you are even bringing that up. My comment was in response to the person who said all base professions were equal. And the amount of denial by some eles as to just how strong their profession is, is truly astounding. That people can say with a straight face that they are on the same level is rather shocking. And just to note, since some of you assumed automatically it was all about dps and only dps. It’s about what you bring to the table…dps and support. That’s always been one of the main things necros ask for, better group support.

I’m guessing part of this is just pure defensive reactions. You don’t want nerfs. Well, I don’t want you to get nerfs either. I’d just like some of the lesser performing classes to get more love.

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Posted by: Yojimaru.4980

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Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

“Free” he says. Yeah, it’s totally free, just ignore the fact that by taking warhorn, you lose 2 blast finishers, an invuln, a personal reflect, a projectile destruction field, and/or one of the very VERY few mobility skills that Ele gets. Not to mention the fact that you have to take the Tempest trait line to even use the warhorn in the first place. So, which trait line are you going to sacrifice to run Tempest? Water? There goes your sustain, cantrip cooldown and condi removal. Arcane? There goes your access to boons. Fire? Kiss your damage goodbye.

Dust Storm isn’t even all that good! It’s two blinds at most per target, on a 30 second cool down. Glyph of storms (earth) has five times that on a 60 second cool down.

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Posted by: Chicho Gosho.6507

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Insane and gamebreaking. Pulsing area blind? What the… and that huge fire field? How long does it last? You can blast it like 6 times alone.

WP is going to be happy, but those are serious issues. Ele is already the strongest class, so those things are going to provoke a ele nerf or a buff of all the other classes (maybe after a couple of years…), both bad things.

If classes are too strong, content is not fun.

Most ridiculous thing i’ve ever read.

How is elementalist “The strongest proffession” seriously? we’re locked into ONE BUILD atm, we litterally are forced into 0 Diversity because how little really does work in the proffession sure we’re good at something and that makes us a top tier pvp proffession but no where near broken.

we can even be D/D Sustain and Decent Damage or a full bunker, we have 0 Competitive Condi builds 0 Effective Power builds…. we’re litterally forced into One Jack of Trades which has abit of everything but not as powerful as any other proffession can really excel in.

The burn field? its called Moving out of it…. its a Pathway of Fire, do u just Stand in our fire expecting it not to do any damage cause ur lazy? No, it isnt like we have incredible range we’d have to follow u OFF the field to do anymore damage so effectively MOVING is a complete counter to the effects. we’re giving up Ring of Fire for it anyway lol.

Dust stom?… it does look strong very strong in situations, wouldnt say OP though – Most can clear condis if it was to effect them too much and also tbh its within a area again so u can easily just move away from it, we’re getting some good AoEs which will require u to actually move yes… that doesnt make it broken.

it does NOT provoke Nerfs to Elementalist, With the amount elementalist will lose it actually takes ALOT from the elementalist which people like u deem “strongest”.. Alot of now muichly needed skills are dissapearing without offhand dagger, it isnt like they’ve moved any of those Amazing skills across to keep us using them, the inital loss of those Will put us far beneath the belt so that none of this will effect us.

Remember, u have to look at a Elementalist with only 3 of its attacks, (without offhand dagger) to see what areas will be good/bad not Imagine it with BOTH Weapons and Stack these Ontop cause thats just NOT happening, Were REPLACING our off hand weapon with this new one not combining them.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

of course, but if all classes become like ele/tempest then it’s bad. Atm ele can reach 17k dps, now pulsing area blind lol. Not even squishy anymore

the Pulsing blind wont even have that much of a Effect in PvE, its two pulses with a huge CD like 2 strikes will make that massive difference in its Survival lol, seriously if ur going to actually try to press this It’ll only make a Impact in PvP, we all know that, Challanging Content, THe bosses will likely be immune to Blinds etc etc as part of mechanics Dont know if u noticed BUT EVERY GAME HAS THAT STANDARD!!!

this will only effect PvP and Im seeing With the Loss of Mobility a Loss in its Sustain And becoming hugely countered by Mesmers and Thief it’ll Suffer Nothing close to a nerf for this, it isnt Overpowered or broken.

Against Monsters in PvE, ur ment to win, the designs are for u to WIN, so why would it matter lol.

It is quite strong in WvW as well. Not everything spins around PvE and lots of people forget to mention other mods when talking about skills.

P.S. To the people saying the ranger is fine atm – LOL. Yeah, right.

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Posted by: Matt H.6142

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Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

“Free” he says. Yeah, it’s totally free, just ignore the fact that by taking warhorn, you lose 2 blast finishers, an invuln, a personal reflect, a projectile destruction field, and/or one of the very VERY few mobility skills that Ele gets. Not to mention the fact that you have to take the Tempest trait line to even use the warhorn in the first place. So, which trait line are you going to sacrifice to run Tempest? Water? There goes your sustain, cantrip cooldown and condi removal. Arcane? There goes your access to boons. Fire? Kiss your damage goodbye.

Dust Storm isn’t even all that good! It’s two blinds at most per target, on a 30 second cool down. Glyph of storms (earth) has five times that on a 60 second cool down.

And gain the largest fire field, second longest water field for ele, boon share, push, pull, and max cap breaking blind. If your party isn’t helping you, then look out for #1 and run focus.
Drop water for the condi cleanse overload and grandmaster, breakbar, and extra protection.

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Posted by: Bean Muncher.5197

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The ignorance is strong in the OP.

You can’t just say that the warhorn is overpowered because its blinds would be too good with the staff’s weapon skills’ DPS. That’s ridiculous. Eles do not offer nearly as much DPS with dagger or scepter mainhand. So staff will remain superior.

Also, for an offhand with no blast finishers, that huge fire field is not as great as you make it sound. Again, the staff offers a fire field with 100% uptime, so it’s superior.

Even more importantly, Unshakable (you know, that effect that every boss has) shuts down blinds, making them effective a whopping 10% of the time. Blinds are not that useful in high-end PvE. Glyph of Storms is mostly used for Lightning Storm in dungeons.

Following the OP’s logic, the warhorn would only be king in open world PvE with no bosses. Like map completion. Gamebreaking, I know.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

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Following the OP’s logic, the warhorn would only be king in open world PvE with no bosses. Like map completion. Gamebreaking, I know.

But apparently it’s all people care about. Tempest has flashy skill effects (skill animation is the exact same animation for all 8 warhorn skills) so the general casual population is excited about it.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

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Following the OP’s logic, the warhorn would only be king in open world PvE with no bosses. Like map completion. Gamebreaking, I know.

But apparently it’s all people care about. Tempest has flashy skill effects (skill animation is the exact same animation for all 8 warhorn skills) so the general casual population is excited about it.

You really should watch the video and lesson to what they are saying and watch the numbers and how things work before posting any more on this. A lot of the horn skills are going to be on a crazy level of OP. As things stand wildfire can apply 8 stacks of burning and remove what seems to be 8 boons. Orb of lighting is effectively “DO NOT RUN OR YOU DIE” skill. Earth 5 is i blind every one and who chairs about a 5 person cap for you weaklings. There is not one skill on the horn that is weak or useless like you find with eles foces and even dagger off hand from time to time. I am fear-full they over did it with the WH it may need nerfs.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

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You really should watch the video and lesson to what they are saying and watch the numbers and how things work before posting any more on this. A lot of the horn skills are going to be on a crazy level of OP. As things stand wildfire can apply 8 stacks of burning and remove what seems to be 8 boons. Orb of lighting is effectively “DO NOT RUN OR YOU DIE” skill. Earth 5 is i blind every one and who chairs about a 5 person cap for you weaklings. There is not one skill on the horn that is weak or useless like you find with eles foces and even dagger off hand from time to time. I am fear-full they over did it with the WH it may need nerfs.

We’re talking about pve right?

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Posted by: Jski.6180

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You really should watch the video and lesson to what they are saying and watch the numbers and how things work before posting any more on this. A lot of the horn skills are going to be on a crazy level of OP. As things stand wildfire can apply 8 stacks of burning and remove what seems to be 8 boons. Orb of lighting is effectively “DO NOT RUN OR YOU DIE” skill. Earth 5 is i blind every one and who chairs about a 5 person cap for you weaklings. There is not one skill on the horn that is weak or useless like you find with eles foces and even dagger off hand from time to time. I am fear-full they over did it with the WH it may need nerfs.

We’re talking about pve right?

Mobs run from you in pve often? Do you often fight mobs who have to deal with 5 targets caps and you do not? How often do you need to burn though 8 boons on mobs in pve? Are you one of thoughts if its off cd you must use it becuse then i see your point but then your not playing ele as a class right your kind of just faces rolling your keyboard.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

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Mobs run from you in pve often? Do you often fight mobs who have to deal with 5 targets caps and you do not? How often do you need to burn though 8 boons on mobs in pve? Are you one of thoughts if its off cd you must use it becuse then i see your point but then your not playing ele as a class right your kind of just faces rolling your keyboard.

Then why are you responding to me and the other guy when we clearly are complaining about pve?

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Posted by: Kidel.2057

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Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

“Free” he says. Yeah, it’s totally free, just ignore the fact that by taking warhorn, you lose 2 blast finishers, an invuln, a personal reflect, a projectile destruction field, and/or one of the very VERY few mobility skills that Ele gets. Not to mention the fact that you have to take the Tempest trait line to even use the warhorn in the first place. So, which trait line are you going to sacrifice to run Tempest? Water? There goes your sustain, cantrip cooldown and condi removal. Arcane? There goes your access to boons. Fire? Kiss your damage goodbye.

Dust Storm isn’t even all that good! It’s two blinds at most per target, on a 30 second cool down. Glyph of storms (earth) has five times that on a 60 second cool down.

You take 7 more skills with warhorn alone. Longest water field, pulsing aoe bling, 3 might+copy of all boons aoe, longest fire field, aoe water knockback, aoe stunbreak.

Oh come on. Ele warhorn may be the best weapon in the game. They’re even doing a new set of sound effects.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

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You really should watch the video and lesson to what they are saying and watch the numbers and how things work before posting any more on this. A lot of the horn skills are going to be on a crazy level of OP. As things stand wildfire can apply 8 stacks of burning and remove what seems to be 8 boons. Orb of lighting is effectively “DO NOT RUN OR YOU DIE” skill. Earth 5 is i blind every one and who chairs about a 5 person cap for you weaklings. There is not one skill on the horn that is weak or useless like you find with eles foces and even dagger off hand from time to time. I am fear-full they over did it with the WH it may need nerfs.

We’re talking about pve right?

Mobs run from you in pve often? Do you often fight mobs who have to deal with 5 targets caps and you do not? How often do you need to burn though 8 boons on mobs in pve? Are you one of thoughts if its off cd you must use it becuse then i see your point but then your not playing ele as a class right your kind of just faces rolling your keyboard.

Realize it us 5 target p tic, and i’ve had to manage alot of mobs at once.

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Posted by: Fade.1743

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Gliph takes up an utility slot.
Those fields come “free” with warhorn

“Free” he says. Yeah, it’s totally free, just ignore the fact that by taking warhorn, you lose 2 blast finishers, an invuln, a personal reflect, a projectile destruction field, and/or one of the very VERY few mobility skills that Ele gets. Not to mention the fact that you have to take the Tempest trait line to even use the warhorn in the first place. So, which trait line are you going to sacrifice to run Tempest? Water? There goes your sustain, cantrip cooldown and condi removal. Arcane? There goes your access to boons. Fire? Kiss your damage goodbye.

Dust Storm isn’t even all that good! It’s two blinds at most per target, on a 30 second cool down. Glyph of storms (earth) has five times that on a 60 second cool down.

You take 7 more skills with warhorn alone. Longest water field, pulsing aoe bling, 3 might+copy of all boons aoe, longest fire field, aoe water knockback, aoe stunbreak.

Oh come on. Ele warhorn may be the best weapon in the game. They’re even doing a new set of sound effects.

Well, let’s see. 2 Blast finishers (so 6 stacks of might), a huge projectile destruction area, a projectile reflection skill, a condi cleanse, 2 knockdowns, and an invulnerability vs. the largest fire field, AoE condi cleanse and heal, a long range movement ability, a knockback, a knockdown and 2 blast finishers vs. a weapon with no blast finishers (so you lose 2 overall) which means that the longest fire field is more usless, slow moving projectiles, copy all boons, and an AoE stunbreak with a trait only.

Really? REALLY? Warhorn is the best weapon? It’s nowhere near the current offhands.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

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You take 7 more skills with warhorn alone. Longest water field, pulsing aoe bling, 3 might+copy of all boons aoe, longest fire field, aoe water knockback, aoe stunbreak.

Longest fire field with the longest cooldown and I can’t find any stunbreaker on that offhand.

Oh come on. Ele warhorn may be the best weapon in the game. They’re even doing a new set of sound effects.

Without those sound effects people would get annoyed quite fast, 8 skills with the exact same animation and sound, the sound which isn’t quite pleasant to an ear.

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Posted by: Mightybird.6034

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I….hope Kidel is joking.

Warhorn is seriously lacking… Its like if they made scepter an offhand….horrible…

Bosses mine as well be unaffected by blinds and no one just stands in a pulsing blind in pvp (thief has one…rarely uses it), stationary water fields are better in staff for pve/wvw/pvp (ya have fun getting a group to blast a moving field…lol), fire field uptime on d/d or s/d is FAR higher than the warhorn….I could go on. Nothing in warhorn is better..

FURTHER No reflects, no invulns, no blocks, no move or tele skill, no damage multiplier in traits…..trash.

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Posted by: Matt H.6142

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If your playstyle is nothing but blasting fire fields and invul, then don’t use horn. That play is well covered already. If horn had all that, it would invalidate the other weapons. The group support means others can blast the fire field for you, and they don’t have to huddle in a circle. A 600 long carpet vs a 240 ring?
And now there is a aoe reflect in shouts and I don’t need staff or powerful aura to do it.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

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You seem to be under the impression that ele’s job is to blast fire fields. Alas, it’s not since the spec patch. You only prestack, during the fight it’s warrior’s job.

Also, blast finishers have only 360 radius.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

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I….hope Kidel is joking.

I doubt it. He’s got a campaign going. Check all his other posts in other professions’ forums.

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Posted by: Shiki.7148

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Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

While I agree with your first statement, that second is just completely inane. The condition builds on both my necro and my ranger outpace that of my elementalist by leaps and bounds. While a hybrid build for my ele is undoubtedly better than either. And in the case of my ranger power build as compared to my ele, I wouldn’t say one is flat out better than the other, but there is no amount of sustain that is safer than one of the highest damage weapons in the game at a range no other class can even approach.

You will seriously argue that ele is not flat out better than ranger or necro in pve? Seriously? Sorry, what I said was not “inane.”

Not my fault you apparently suck with your ranger and necro. In the same time I can apply about 12 stacks of burning and 18 stacks of bleeding on my ele, on my necro and ranger I’ve applied 24-32 stacks of bleeding, 10-12 poison, chill, weakness, and various amounts of vulnerability. And 5 stacks of burning on my necro, 10 on my ranger. And in the case of my necro, I’ve also transferred conditions to you at least twice. Your disillusionment with the burning condition does not make the game.

This is a blatant lie. Necros have about THE WORST condition application in existance- the only way you’ll ever get that amount of stacks in areasonable time (if at all) is if you transfer conditioons that had been applied to you. Also keep in mind that burning literally does more than 4 times the damge of bleeding.

Elementalist is the strongest class? Every profession has equal potentials.

Well, that’s simply not true. Any ranger and necro will tell you.

That said, OP why would buffing underperforming classes be a bad thing? They need the buffs.

No, it’s wrong. Necromancers don’t have access to vigor but have a second lifebar and rangers can stay at a long range while attacking so it can avoid massive projectiles’ damage (rifle warr for instance)

That “second lifebar” bullkitten is among the biggest lies Anet has ever created. Does it recharge OOC? No. Do we start with a full bar? No. Does that bar only decrease when we get hit? No again. Lifeforce is, at best, a glorified Manashield…however due to starting at 0 LF and degenerating still worse than any type of manashield I’ve ever seen in another MMO. Oh yeah and I forgot, it loks Necro out of utilities which hurts a lot, and it “eats” alot of our traits that could be, dunno, a damage modifier? Like ele has everywhere (except on Tempest and people are crying because of it)?

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