Guild Wars 2

GOD they make me nerd rage and QQ more than any other class. I will take a thief, warrior, guardian, mesmer any day over a ranger. I don’t know anything about their class other than they have a set it and forget it pet that does ridiculous dmg and cc, they can rip you to shreds from a distance, and when you do close the gap, they take sooooo little damage. Granted I’m not the best pro ele in the world, but I feel like if another class kills me, they at least had to work for it. I generally go D/D 0/20/0/20/30 with arcane aoe blast/projectile skill and ether renewal.

I have valkyrie gear with divinity runes, toughness for my accessories (forgot the names and I’m at work), and berserker daggers. rune of battle and accuracy.

Any tips?

Well, they are very hard to pressure as a lot of them run bunker beast master regen builds, which regenerate ridiculous amounts of HP on par with our water attunements, can have 3.3k armor and yet have pets that can do 3k crit auto attacks. I almost had my eyes pop out my skull when my guildy demonstrated to me how his pet can auto crit for 3k…Thats more than my berserker warrior can hit in a autoattack single. Sorry, what were we talking about again?…

And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?

If a ranger runs a condition build with Axe/Torch/Sword/dagger, their weak spot certainly is either Condition over, since their only active condition remove is on a 40 sec cooldown or their heal skill,
Or: high damage burst.
The way the BM bunker ranger works is that he can regen about 500 hp/sec (+-50 depending on gear.) with ~ 17.000 HP. Which means they can get their health back up in 34 second if taking no damage, without using a heal-skill.
Thats what you have to counter. For me in sPvP I found that mesmers that get a full burst of on me are my greatest enemy.
Plus, apart from monarcs leap on sword #3 the bunker ranger is pretty immobile, too. which you might wanna use to your advantage.
Also keep in mind not to burst, when the Ranger is on his Sword/Dagger equip for there he has 4 evades + 2 normal dodges and can pretty much negate any burst if not knocked down or stunned otherwise.

I dont know much about eles. but maybe this will help

Lol, well to be fair there are a lot of rangers I run into that are horrible. Like they sit there in my face with a longbow then when I kill them at melee range they complain. One of the saddest truths is, Melee Rangers destroy, while ranges Rangers usually bend over backwards and take it.

The Class is one of the best tiers in Spvp, PvE solo content is apparently easy as hell, that’s all rangers tell me. The problem is, most rangers are terrible at playing it seems, and its a class that is far more noticeable because it doesn’t have mechanics to fall on. I honestly have come across horrible rangers who would rather come here and complain then learn to play.

@Gorath
Mesmers are everyones greatest enemy. Have you ever tried fighting a Phantasm mesmer 1v1? It’s almost impossible to win. Mesmers are a bad example to bring into convo as a counter is all I’m saying :P good feedback tho!

Edit: I’ll stop posting here now Mek, I’m not bringing anything constructive so xD been fun. Keep up the good fight.

Mek.2947:

And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?

ranger certainly is one of the strongest classes to duel atm.
But apart from that we lack a lot:

• No real reliable AoE.
• No Blast finisher.
• No stability apart from our 120 sec CD Elite, ok which lasts 22 seconds
• No real burst (there are burst builds out there but they arent the most optimal style of play in my eyes.
• Really bad group support. Our Spirits just die way to quickly
• (at least in my eyes) Useless shouts
• Propably the worst: Anything a Ranger can provide, another class can do better and makes us second choice in almost any scenario.
  but what we certainly can do very very good is crack eles wide open in 1vs1

Nah it’s cool. I’m just wondering if it was something I’m missing about how to deal.

Depends on the build, and overall individual player skills. You as a DD ele any decent ranged player can give you a challenge to kill. Even though DD wep set have many ways to get to melee distance, you also want to look around and use your environment toward your advantage. With my burst build ele, bunker/healer eles, ranger, or guardians can’t defeat me in wvw but then again another cannon that is not so glassy build player (whether it is from burst or condition dmg) can defeat me. Every build have other builds that can easily counter them.

@OP
You run with rather cannon, yet, you’re surprised you die from rangers on versus.
Rangers got their reasons to claim class is broken. It’s said 50% of our damage comes from pet, but only when it’s highly traited. Else, you don’t get yourself damage potential as high as any other class could get, cause still some base damage is pet. But let’s be honest – pet either dies fast/can’t hit moving target/hits for rather low damage (not traited).
Another thing is ranger doesn’t bring much to group support. Certainly not any close to ele/guardian/(heck even) warrior.

Now from me: I do like to versus on my ranger. After so many hours and build that suits me, i know how to counter anyone. The knowledge about other proffessions and their builds is VERY helpful.
With your current setup (not high healing and armor) don’t be surprised you lose to rangers (any if you lose to rangers, i’m quite sure you lose to any other proffession).
If you miss (which is high likely with so many evades ranger has), you might lose potential 5k damage. If ranger misses, he loses around 500-1000 damage with ability to repeat that after seconds.
Another thing is that shortbow/longbow/greatsword/many pets can interrupt your healing if you don’t have stability.
Tips:
I think build with at least 700 healing power and signet is the superior against rangers.
Keep pressure on them, same way as they do on you. Sooner or later you will land your better hit, which will cost them 1/4 health.
Have decent condi removal against BM rangers (direct damage from pet, condi from ranger) and decent toughness or some condi removal against other type of rangers with high toughness.
If they got pretty burst pets and aren’t highly healing based – land damage on their pets. Kill them twice in a row. This way you will get rid of pet for 40-60seconds and ranger will stay without additional damage/support/crowd control/condition cure.

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Then they swoop/sword 1 right back to you.

I’m not saying I beat other classes and rangers are my only problem. There are definitely other classes that beat me on a consistent basis. I’m just saying that it’s not an instant win for them. They actually have to work to get the kill. I think rangers know it too cuz they will chase me across the map to get their kill. Maybe it’s just perspective…I don’t know.

The only thing that’s glass canon about my build is the berserker daggers. All my other equipment has vitality or toughness on it. I will admit I don’t have much healing. The problem is, with gearing high into healing you’re gimping already average dps and then you REALLY have no burst as an ele.

I’ll play around with some healing. I know I started with the tank ele stats and I had a really difficult time. I didn’t get killed easily, but I sure wasn’t killing anything either. All I was doing was just tickling other people’s balls.

Run away/LoS and heal with my scepter/dagger burst build. Decent burst damage about every 15 seconds and nothing else doesn’t do much to ’em.

I dumped a ranger for an ele. While rangers are in a pretty good spot in sPvP, the same cannot be said about WvW.

This is coming from a WvW perspective,

The pets are kittening stupid and are terribly easy to avoid(the main issue with the class, imo). The pet makes up more than half the ranger’s damage in a BM build too. Feline pets are squishy high damage, kanines have a little more toughness iirc. I would either try to down the ranger as fast as possible or kill both their pets and leave them in a really, really bad spot. Been quite awhile since I played my ranger in PvP.

Open world PvE is laughably easy on a ranger, dungeons not so much.

Mek.2947:

And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?

Play one before talking about those who say they’re broken… Ranger has BM build and trapper build, both with same weapons, yaaaaay. Build diversity is none existent on ranger and 95% of traits are $&$%, that’s why everyone who’ve played one for more than an hour know how of a change this class needs.

quite frankly I rerolled as ranger since they’re so similar to us only without all the pbaoe’s and boons but they have a pet instead.
Also their single handed sword rangers can get away real fast (requires some skill but still). The longbow range is awesome for wvw, no long CD’s on their weapon skills compared to the elementalist and decent damage. Once you learn how to micro-manage your movement skills and pet y’r beast.

Very glad I picked elementalist first since it taught me how to play skilfully.

A power regeneration ranger (about +2k power and toughness) would be in a mix of cleric and soldier and most likely also uses healing spirit as elite with healing signet equipped and healing runes -regeneration. They can play double bow or a mix of weapons…

So, the thing is no single profession in the game today can pump out enough DPS to kill them, my advice is get help and somehow keep poison and chill up all the time..Good luck!

No chance….

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Keep the pressure and close combat fight.
You shouldn’t be able to die against a ranger, as ranger, necro and warrior are the 3 classes against wich the fight shouldn’t last more than 45sec most of time and i’m not even considering about losing !

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

we are elementalist not tief :P better try and die then run away

The only rangers that are a serious threat to kill an ele are trap rangers. If you run into all of their traps at the start of the fight, you’re gonna have a bad time. I usually reset the fight when that happens and try to avoid approaching through a predictable path where they already have their traps set up. Unless they land multiple traps along with their weapon skills in a short interval, I find them generally manageable.

Competitive meta builds don’t have the DPS to take down a BM bunker 1v1, but that’s acceptable because they’re a bunker build.

skinnyb.5920:

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

How is bunker a free kill? In 1v1 scenario.

haviz.1340:

skinnyb.5920:

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

How is bunker a free kill? In 1v1 scenario.

If you have a burst build with decent survivability, they are free kills on 1v1 scenario, otherwise, they can be a challenge and impossible to kill unless you 2v1 them. Talking about in wvw, in spvp bunker builds still rules.

LightningBlaze.4913:

If you have a burst build with decent survivability, they are free kills on 1v1 scenario, otherwise, they can be a challenge and impossible to kill unless you 2v1 them. Talking about in wvw, in spvp bunker builds still rules.

What kind of ele build has enough burst with decent survivability?

It’s clear that not many people have fought a decent bunker/regen ranger.
Can’t blame you though, there are very few of those.

The standard GC longbow ranger might be a free kill, but there are a few ranger setups that are plainly impossible to kill alone. And I don’t mean pre-nerf bunker ele impossible to kill. I mean truly impossible to solo kill while still doing “quite” decent damage.

Mek.2947:

And if you go to their forums they talk about how broken they are……like, what more do you want? Like do you want the pet to actually eat the other player in one bite and then sh——- a picture of the player’s decomposed body on the player’s class forums?

Don’t confuse PvE with PvP. Rangers may do well in PvP, but they’re pretty weak in PvE.

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Rofl, ahh I use to love Elementalist before PI nerf, Was so funny watching them die in seconds.

Now it takes a little longer, but it still ends the same

way I see it your hard pressed to get into a range fight with ranger not matter what class you are. Sure they can use melee weapon but most players make a ranger play at a distance.

As a D/D player who doesn’t do alot of PvP i’m a far cry from an expert but I found once you closed the gap (magetic grasp 2nd phase) it can really throw a ranger off his game.
or reflecting skills, few times I’v gotten a ranger down to half health while charging in

Every ranger except the beastmaster bunker is easy for me just evade the crucial stuff and follow cc with small burst etc..like every class.
But man that bunker is just impossible and i dont think theres an ele build that can counter it by actually killing it.If you go hybrid you cant kill em and if you go glass canon you wont be able to burst them down (even if you manage to hit them through all the evades)..so they end up killing you !!!
But sure if you find an ele build thats bm bunker killer then please tell me! :P

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Thats not true, youre best chance is full zerker and you need to be imba even then.

Cempa.5619:

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Thats not true, youre best chance is full zerker and you need to be imba even then.

You obviously haven’t the slightest clue of what you’re talking about.

It is not hard to create a d/d ele build that has a hard hitting burst while maintaining the sustain and tankiness of a classic bunker. After that, it all boils down to your individual skill, which seems to be lacking if you’re going to just sit there and say, “Nope, the ranger bunker is too difficult. Better just RTL away.”

This is another classic case of L2P.

skinnyb.5920:

Cempa.5619:

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Thats not true, youre best chance is full zerker and you need to be imba even then.

You obviously haven’t the slightest clue of what you’re talking about.

It is not hard to create a d/d ele build that has a hard hitting burst while maintaining the sustain and tankiness of a classic bunker. After that, it all boils down to your individual skill, which seems to be lacking if you’re going to just sit there and say, “Nope, the ranger bunker is too difficult. Better just RTL away.”

This is another classic case of L2P.

Everyone just stay calm!

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Everyone just stay calm!

but all the cool kids panic

you don’t want me to be lame do you

skinnyb.5920:

Cempa.5619:

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Thats not true, youre best chance is full zerker and you need to be imba even then.

You obviously haven’t the slightest clue of what you’re talking about.

It is not hard to create a d/d ele build that has a hard hitting burst while maintaining the sustain and tankiness of a classic bunker. After that, it all boils down to your individual skill, which seems to be lacking if you’re going to just sit there and say, “Nope, the ranger bunker is too difficult. Better just RTL away.”

This is another classic case of L2P.

You insist on maintaing your delusion that Rangers are ‘free kills’ and this is how attempt to qualify it: “This is another classic case of L2P.”

Creating a d/d ele that enjoys a balance of damage and mitigation was never mentioned in what I said, you actually quoted me yet did not bother to read it!

One more time and this time I hope your disillusion will be cured:

Against a bunker Ranger or any bunker for that matter even a meta Guardian the HARD counter is a full burst build. Since this thread is about Ranger the ONLY ele build that has a chance is a full zerker build….

You do not beat a true bunker with DPS it an illusion son, you do it with burst up to about 14k or greater in a single rotation AND only if the Ranger takes it….

This clip has some ele fights and while its not perfect and you can poke holes in it (they never even bothered with the spirit they must be ….) its a good show:

Cempa.5619:

You insist on maintaing your delusion that Rangers are ‘free kills’ and this is how attempt to qualify it: “This is another classic case of L2P.”

Creating a d/d ele that enjoys a balance of damage and mitigation was never mentioned in what I said, you actually quoted me yet did not bother to read it!

Correct, you did not mention that. What you did say was that there is no profession in the game that can pump out enough DPS to kill that particular ranger which is wrong. You also said that the only way to kill them would be with a full zerker or imbalanced build, which is also completely incorrect, not to mention slightly contradictory to your first statement. What I am telling you is that I and several others have had no problem killing the rangers you are talking about with a balanced d/d ele build through sustain and attrition, not spike damage.

Cempa.5619:

One more time and this time I hope your disillusion will be cured:

Against a bunker Ranger or any bunker for that matter even a meta Guardian the HARD counter is a full burst build. Since this thread is about Ranger the ONLY ele build that has a chance is a full zerker build….

You do not beat a true bunker with DPS it an illusion son, you do it with burst up to about 14k or greater in a single blah blah blah blah.

Or perhaps you do it by using techniques such as properly timed skill interruptions, precise positioning, kiting, and dodging, or applying pressure. You know, things that take player skill.

To kill a Bunker Ranger you need HIGH Burst and HIGH Sustained. Otherwise you need Condis.

HGH Engi or Phantasm Mesmer is your only bet. If you think an Ele can kill a Bunker Ranger you have been fighting too many bad bunkers.

Puandro.3245:

To kill a Bunker Ranger you need HIGH Burst and HIGH Sustained. Otherwise you need Condis.

HGH Engi or Phantasm Mesmer is your only bet. If you think an Ele can kill a Bunker Ranger you have been fighting too many bad bunkers.

Exactly, unfortunately semantics do get in the way of pure verbal or written communication…Bunker Rangers can spike heal per second to 1,000 which combined with interrupts, resetting fights and dodge makes solo killing them a nightmare at best! These Rangers are BM’s and those pets hit hard!

Xsorus.2507:

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Rofl, ahh I use to love Elementalist before PI nerf, Was so funny watching them die in seconds.

Now it takes a little longer, but it still ends the same

thanks Xsorus, I tried to put it a bit more diplomatic up there

with Xsorus you have a real pro talking. Taking him and his build as a parameter I am convinced that a Ranger can beat an evenly well played D/D Ele anytime. It will be a hard fight but he will win.
I use the same build at not the same skill level but still never felt ‘free loot’ for any d/d Ele that jumped me 1 vs 1. never.

to back up my xsorus endearing one of his latest videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feizqnm1SfI

Like I said, Bunker Ele’s are slower to kill now that I lack PI (7 seconds of Confusion Prepatch was a death sentence to most Ele’s, i’d eat them up rather quickly)…But they still die the same after the patch. The Glass Cannon D/D ones are very easy to kill as it just insures my pets are hitting harder, and they’re having to switch and stay in Water more often.

The actual Bunker Ele’s take much longer to kill, Much much longer, But stand virtually zero chance of actually killing my Ranger as they don’t have the damage for it.

You have 15 seconds to burst down a class with multiple dodges basically, if you don’t do it in those 15 seconds, he’s going to heal back up.

LightningBlaze.4913:

Puandro.3245:

To kill a Bunker Ranger you need HIGH Burst and HIGH Sustained. Otherwise you need Condis.

HGH Engi or Phantasm Mesmer is your only bet. If you think an Ele can kill a Bunker Ranger you have been fighting too many bad bunkers.

Let me guess.. the “good” bunker rangers are the ones you can’t kill on 1v1 with your d/d bunker/healer build?. I am completely sure I can burst down those same rangers as I do with the countless “bad” healer bunkers rangers I have encounter in wvw in 1v1.. Such is the beauty of playing a cannon that is not as glassy build ele. The downside is I get reported almost on a daily basic about supposedly me hacking because ele shouldn’t burst that much so fast. Healer/bunker build players are a challenge when you face them with a bunker/hybrid/build but they are easy when you have a burst build that is not glass cannon.

No the good bunkers are the ones who see the eles telegraphed big attacks a mile away and dodge them.

Puandro.3245:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Puandro.3245:

To kill a Bunker Ranger you need HIGH Burst and HIGH Sustained. Otherwise you need Condis.

HGH Engi or Phantasm Mesmer is your only bet. If you think an Ele can kill a Bunker Ranger you have been fighting too many bad bunkers.

Let me guess.. the “good” bunker rangers are the ones you can’t kill on 1v1 with your d/d bunker/healer build?. I am completely sure I can burst down those same rangers as I do with the countless “bad” healer bunkers rangers I have encounter in wvw in 1v1.. Such is the beauty of playing a cannon that is not as glassy build ele. The downside is I get reported almost on a daily basic about supposedly me hacking because ele shouldn’t burst that much so fast. Healer/bunker build players are a challenge when you face them with a bunker/hybrid/build but they are easy when you have a burst build that is not glass cannon.

No the good bunkers are the ones who see the eles telegraphed big attacks a mile away and dodge them.

With the right build and wep set, the ele can have up to 4 different combo burst rotations where 2-3 out of the 4 are needed to take out most bunkers/healers. Now the trick is 2 out of those 4 are really fast (2-3 secs to complete each) and can only be dodged if your opponent dodges right before you start the rotation. Of course they can avoid/reduce the dmg received by using utilities if they have crazy reflexes after being hit with the first move of each rotation

Set it and forget it? Yeah, right, that’s not at all how we play our profession, particularly beastmaster. Also, no ranger pet has both tons of CC and tons of damage.

- D/D = he is usually dead before I start healing
- S/D = 50/50 (it’s a matter of landing burning hands, mostly -,-)
- Staff = I am a badge

still have to try S/F or D/F but I am not at ease with such setup.

on a side note: I beat way more easily Mesmers than Rangers. Probably because I play also Mesmer and know better what to do, so I suppose playing Ranger too would increase the odds in a fight… Arena Net, give me a free character slot!!!

I have a 80 level Ranger & Elementalist, so perhaps can give a fair assessment?

I am happy to play either in PvE, both fine, both virtually never die…easy mode…unless Anet has recently upgraded the content…then its unfair to every class…

I only play Ranger in PvP, he can stand a lot of punishment, pretty good 1v1 or 2v1, basically small numbers vs small numbers…

In WvW, I will only play my Elementalist, again virtually doesn’t die and does nice damage, far more than my ranger…gets way more badges of honour…

The Rangers weaknesses are his pet, the secret here is NEVER FIGHT THE PET, evade, dodge, use swiftness, its easily pulled out of position/distracted, then its useless…

The other major Ranger weakness is conditions, they can’t cope with large, multiple condition damage, they have few ways to remove it…once you overload there regeneration they are toast…

The Ranger themselves do very low direct damage but axe/shortbow can deal some major condition damage but that’s no problem at all for ele’s with all the condition removal you got…

Longbow can deal fairly high direct damage but its so slow, shouldn’t be a problem…

Don’t use greatsword personally but the ele conjured greatsword is FAR, FAR better and 80% of Rangers would trade you for it…

Xsorus.2507:

skinnyb.5920:

Dub.1273:

When i see a ranger as ele i would RTL away.

Are you guys kidding me here? It’s a freaking ranger! No matter what gimmick bunker build they’re running, it’s still a freaking ranger and therefore a free kill.

Rofl, ahh I use to love Elementalist before PI nerf, Was so funny watching them die in seconds.

Now it takes a little longer, but it still ends the same

Sadly, I could beat you before anet kitten my glass d/d, but I don’t think I’d have any chance now.

As a person who mains a ranger and has about 300 hours on an ele it’s easy. Ranger BM bunker or trapper can be killed. Yes they have tons of toughness and healing. However condition removal skills are lacking greatly. Stack bleeds and immobilize them that works 99.9% of the time. Ignore the pet also most rangers plan on you focusing on the pet and not them. On my ranger I run a hybrid build I focus on range and seem to be able to kite most people and take them out. BM and most trappers rely heavy on pets. Bleed them and immobilize ignore the pet or immobilize it. Rangers are still one of the weakest WvW classes.

Cempa.5619:

Puandro.3245:

To kill a Bunker Ranger you need HIGH Burst and HIGH Sustained. Otherwise you need Condis.

HGH Engi or Phantasm Mesmer is your only bet. If you think an Ele can kill a Bunker Ranger you have been fighting too many bad bunkers.

Exactly, unfortunately semantics do get in the way of pure verbal or written communication…Bunker Rangers can spike heal per second to 1,000 which combined with interrupts, resetting fights and dodge makes solo killing them a nightmare at best! These Rangers are BM’s and those petkitten hard!

We can heal much more than that :P With TU up, I average about 1600 hp/s for 10s… combine that with constant 500-600 hp/s regen the rest of the time and it’s not tough to see why BM regen builds are the new norm. Just for kicks one day, I went into Orr and loaded myself up with every regen possible that I could find (had guardian with rejuvenation standing nearby and ele with soothing mist as well as mango pie and regeneration booster). The overall healing was 75k hp/minute with 1724 healing power, and I wasn’t even bothering with my main heal as soon as it came off cooldown. I could have hit 90k hp/minute if I was really trying.

Anyone who says a BM bunker is an easy kill needs to expand their horizons a bit. They obviously haven’t run into one who knows what they are doing.

Mortalitas.9710:

As a person who mains a ranger and has about 300 hours on an ele it’s easy. Ranger BM bunker or trapper can be killed. Yes they have tons of toughness and healing. However condition removal skills are lacking greatly. Stack bleeds and immobilize them that works 99.9% of the time. Ignore the pet also most rangers plan on you focusing on the pet and not them. On my ranger I run a hybrid build I focus on range and seem to be able to kite most people and take them out. BM and most trappers rely heavy on pets. Bleed them and immobilize ignore the pet or immobilize it. Rangers are still one of the weakest WvW classes.

Full bunker Ranger with 0-0-30-10-30 here.

3300 Attack (no bloodlust) Tough 2100 Armor 3100 1000 healing (2 passive regens) 20K Hits (Barkskin) with SoR and 60% passive condition reduction. Ridiculous Vigor/Regen and protection on dodge.

All this to say with no sacrifice to survival my condition management is fine Sir.

Carry on =)

Just to add to my QQ train about this topic. Last night I was trying to do map discovery in WvW. Naturally I come across a ranger who would NOT leave me alone. I’m semi bunkerish build. I follow dark phoenix guide using 0/15/0/25/30 with a mix of zerker and toughness gear.

Anyway, we were underwater fighting. I killed the ranger FOUR TIMES. In underwater combat you can’t stomp the person so you have to DPS them down to kill them in downed state. All four times I could not kill him in time before his pet could do lick wounds and resurrect. This fight went on for like 15 min. Finally about 5 people showed up and finished me off…so yey for him..he got a loot bag and I didn’t get kitten for killing him 4 kittening times.

I guess I could have killed the pet? Problem is…then he gets free dps to do whatever he wants to me which would have ended up in my dying anyway.

Mek.2947:

Just to add to my QQ train about this topic. Last night I was trying to do map discovery in WvW. Naturally I come across a ranger who would NOT leave me alone. I’m semi bunkerish build. I follow dark phoenix guide using 0/15/0/25/30 with a mix of zerker and toughness gear.

Anyway, we were underwater fighting. I killed the ranger FOUR TIMES. In underwater combat you can’t stomp the person so you have to DPS them down to kill them in downed state. All four times I could not kill him in time before his pet could do lick wounds and resurrect. This fight went on for like 15 min. Finally about 5 people showed up and finished me off…so yey for him..he got a loot bag and I didn’t get kitten for killing him 4 kittening times.

I guess I could have killed the pet? Problem is…then he gets free dps to do whatever he wants to me which would have ended up in my dying anyway.

hahahaha I do agree on this. The only chance you have is to keep the pet away from the ranger (through sink/float/stun) or have 3-5 members out dps the ranger while the pet is healing. Otherwise let the ranger heal and try to bring the fight on land.