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I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

Most people are just bad at games and blame the game design rather than their own skills.

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I play mesmer and i once again hit sword 2 and evaded for 2.5s, mitigating the 115k damage zap zap that the omgwtfpwnOP ele was trying to do. Then i dodged twice and hit f4 and mitigated another 138k damage. Then he ran away. omg. dodge button op. must nerf!

I think it’s because Ele is a complicated class to play. Those who master it can pull off some pretty epic combos and deal a lot of damage. Unfortunately the majority (myself included) don’t have that level of skill and therefore the Ele seems UP which really isn’t the case.

Cassiel.8762:

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I play mesmer and i once again hit sword 2 and evaded for 2.5s, mitigating the 115k damage zap zap that the omgwtfpwnOP ele was trying to do. Then i dodged twice and hit f4 and mitigated another 138k damage. Then he ran away. omg. dodge button op. must nerf!

Its hilarious how you think im exaggerating in my post. Im not. I died within 0.5 sec time, period. And if that guy can do it, others can do it too, hence my question, what exactly is not viable about ele’s? But i guess the post above this 1 sums it up.

Lmfao! A mesmer that got 2 shotted by an ele?
You have Sword #2 to evade their updraft + burning speed + fire grab combo. Distortion to get your hp up. You also have invisibility skills: Decoy, Veil. mass invis? You could also use blink to escape. You simply got outplayed and need to l2p.

Eviscera.9703:

Lmfao! A mesmer that got 2 shotted by an ele?
You have Sword #2 to evade their updraft + burning speed + fire grab combo. Distortion to get your hp up. You also have invisibility skills: Decoy, Veil. mass invis? You could also use blink to escape. You simply got outplayed and need to l2p.

I think you didnt read. There was no battle between me and the ele at all. Because i died in LITERALLY 0.5 sec.

Noxrawr.6125:

Cassiel.8762:

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I play mesmer and i once again hit sword 2 and evaded for 2.5s, mitigating the 115k damage zap zap that the omgwtfpwnOP ele was trying to do. Then i dodged twice and hit f4 and mitigated another 138k damage. Then he ran away. omg. dodge button op. must nerf!

Its hilarious how you think im exaggerating in my post. Im not. I died within 0.5 sec time, period. And if that guy can do it, others can do it too, hence my question, what exactly is not viable about ele’s? But i guess the post above this 1 sums it up.

Go make a full glass ele and run around trying to burst people down. Oh, save up some gold for your repair fee hmm?

Cassiel.8762:

Noxrawr.6125:

Cassiel.8762:

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I play mesmer and i once again hit sword 2 and evaded for 2.5s, mitigating the 115k damage zap zap that the omgwtfpwnOP ele was trying to do. Then i dodged twice and hit f4 and mitigated another 138k damage. Then he ran away. omg. dodge button op. must nerf!

Its hilarious how you think im exaggerating in my post. Im not. I died within 0.5 sec time, period. And if that guy can do it, others can do it too, hence my question, what exactly is not viable about ele’s? But i guess the post above this 1 sums it up.

Go make a full glass ele and run around trying to burst people down. Oh, save up some gold for your repair fee hmm?

So the fact that you supposedly die relatively fast justifies the damage output that equals 5 hambow warriors?

This is pretty funny considering the number of tools mesmers have to avoid burst.

Noxrawr.6125:

Eviscera.9703:

Lmfao! A mesmer that got 2 shotted by an ele?
You have Sword #2 to evade their updraft + burning speed + fire grab combo. Distortion to get your hp up. You also have invisibility skills: Decoy, Veil. mass invis? You could also use blink to escape. You simply got outplayed and need to l2p.

I think you didnt read. There was no battle between me and the ele at all. Because i died in LITERALLY 0.5 sec.

Get some toughness and practice abit on your reaction skills.

@Noxrawr.6125

Not knowing a lot what kind of Ele (D/D, S/F, Staff) hit you, I can say this from my experience as an Ele:
The big damage output you saw can be done by a very glassy spec, that in my experience has no survivability against a Mesmer who starts to get some clones out. In case he got you by surprise, you really had to survive the burst by an evade to get the upper hand on him later. An Ele can not pull off that trick every few seconds and some of those are heavily advertised like charging up Churning Earth, trails of lightning or fire or the hovering Dragon’s Tooth.

Once a Mesmer has some clones up, the burst Ele has a very hard time getting a second burst on you and shatters & confusion will kill him faster than you think.

How are we “not viable”? Because doing that huge damage burst requires excellent timing, great reflexes and a lot of luck. Missing out on one of those factors and we are back to being mediocre at best against classes that can excel us on many levels (armour, health, traits, range discrepancy etc.)

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most people are just bad at games and blame the game design rather than their own skills.

Quoted for truth. Elementalist at the current moment have an absolutely amazing kit: mobility, damage mitigation, self-healing, and burst damage. The problem is that most of the Ele community is still singing the ‘oh poor me Elementalists are such trash’ song.

Remember, people, it took weeks before anyone realized that Warriors were really really strong after they got buffed. All it’s gonna take is one high-level Elementalist player with a cool frag video to make the masses realize that Ele’s are back in business!

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

Because damage does not equal viability otherwise everyone would run zerker ammy and you can pick classes blind folded and go in.

You where killed quickly and you state once again. If you really feel glass ele is a big concern in PvP then you can look up on youtube how to blow people up quickly but that doesn’t make ele viable running full glass. You aren’t familiar with how the damage is done to you so your looking for answers I assume. Which is the ele probably has 1 maximum utility dedicated to survival if you avoid the opening you can probably kill or pressure the ele well.

Viability in PvP is about roles if we are talking about s/tPvP. You can run glass ele with 12k hp no armor and kill people quickly yes and then probably die. You could just take a thief that might not kill as instantly but can do it more frequently with much less of the risk. So you take the thief.

dreztina.4820:

This is pretty funny considering the number of tools mesmers have to avoid burst.

I am not denying mesmers can burst. But if the battle is over before your first clone can fire once it doesnt really help does it.

oZii.2864:

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

Because damage does not equal viability otherwise everyone would run zerker ammy and you can pick classes blind folded and go in.

You where killed quickly and you state once again. If you really feel glass ele is a big concern in PvP then you can look up on youtube how to blow people up quickly but that doesn’t make ele viable running full glass. You aren’t familiar with how the damage is done to you so your looking for answers I assume. Which is the ele probably has 1 maximum utility dedicated to survival if you avoid the opening you can probably kill or pressure the ele well.

Viability in PvP is about roles if we are talking about s/tPvP. You can run glass ele with 12k hp no armor and kill people quickly yes and then probably die. You could just take a thief that might not kill as instantly but can do it more frequently with much less of the risk. So you take the thief.

Thank you for the post, finally something a bit constructive.

robocafaz.9017:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most people are just bad at games and blame the game design rather than their own skills.

Quoted for truth. Elementalist at the current moment have an absolutely amazing kit: mobility, damage mitigation, self-healing, and burst damage. The problem is that most of the Ele community is still singing the ‘oh poor me Elementalists are such trash’ song.

Remember, people, it took weeks before anyone realized that Warriors were really really strong after they got buffed. All it’s gonna take is one high-level Elementalist player with a cool frag video to make the masses realize that Ele’s are back in business!

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

As for the op, The guy was probably running double arcane, it can 1 shot light armor classes. but once the combo is done the ele is finished, he has no sustainability what so ever and he used all of his burst already in that 1 combo. So if you happen to dodge it I can almost guarantee you, you’ll win 99% of the time.
Also, not a lot of ele’s can pull this off, it requires a lot actions per minute, so if you see a ele do this, you can be pretty sure he’s an experienced player.

Bsgapollo.5364:

robocafaz.9017:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most people are just bad at games and blame the game design rather than their own skills.

Quoted for truth. Elementalist at the current moment have an absolutely amazing kit: mobility, damage mitigation, self-healing, and burst damage. The problem is that most of the Ele community is still singing the ‘oh poor me Elementalists are such trash’ song.

Remember, people, it took weeks before anyone realized that Warriors were really really strong after they got buffed. All it’s gonna take is one high-level Elementalist player with a cool frag video to make the masses realize that Ele’s are back in business!

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

As for the op, The guy was probably running double arcane, it can 1 shot light armor classes. but once the combo is done the ele is finished, he has no sustainability what so ever and he used all of his burst already in that 1 combo. So if you happen to dodge it I can almost guarantee you, you’ll win 99% of the time.
Also, not a lot of ele’s can pull this off, it requires a lot actions per minute, so if you see a ele do this, you can be pretty sure he’s an experienced player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdBJw9cBuEo

Yes it was exactly like in that video. That burst got me from 100 => 0 % health. Thanks for posting the video because it really seemed that people thought the 0.5 second i mentioned was an exaggeration, which it wasnt.

Now look again at what happens if you blurred frenzied or even pressed f4, when he lightning flashed.

mesmer: 1 skill goes on cd
ele: all earth and air damage skills and all utilities go on cd

yep, the elementalist is perfectly viable

Because 3.25s cast time is instant, right?

Use eyes.

Ele’s burst skills are hilariously obvious. Scepter is usually a huge Dragon’s Tooth above your head followed by Pheonix -> Air Attunement + Electric Discharge -> Ride the Lightning -> Arcane Wave/Blast. All that within 0.5 sec but guess what, 1 dodge and all that’s bye-bye.

Dagger is similar except instead of Dragon’s Tooth it’s Burning Speed with a Flame Burst to follow shortly. Again, dodge the burning speed = no burst.

Don’t get me started the number of times Mesmers instagibbed me when I’m in zerkers and the amount of tricks they have…

katniss.6735:

Because 3.25s cast time is instant, right?

Use eyes.

Yea and if you miss 1 dodge youre instantly dead. No other class in the game can accomplish ANYTHING like this. This type of damage is a completely other ballpark than any other ability in the game. And pls, dont come at me claiming that you always dodge whenever youre about to take damage because thats pure nonsense.

Cassiel.8762:

Now look again at what happens if you blurred frenzied or even pressed f4, when he lightning flashed.

mesmer: 1 skill goes on cd
ele: all earth and air damage skills and all utilities go on cd

yep, the elementalist is perfectly viable

Funny how you can defend that this type of damage is balanced. It isnt always possible to evade an attack.

Noxrawr.6125:

katniss.6735:

Because 3.25s cast time is instant, right?

Use eyes.

Yea and if you miss 1 dodge youre instantly dead. No other class in the game can accomplish ANYTHING like this. This type of damage is a completely other ballpark than any other ability in the game. And pls, dont come at me claiming that you always dodge whenever youre about to take damage because thats pure nonsense.

I spent several matches being horribly violated by a Mesmer in PvP yesterday. Was full zerker staff, but to be fair every single time I entered an ongoing fight it was instant down from him focusing me. This isn’t a particularly uncommon situation.
So what I have to say to you is, suck it up you godkitten ed kitten, you just learned what playing an ele is ALWAYS like. You got killed once by a combo that is extremely difficult to pull off if the other guy is even just in motion.

No, it isn’t always possible to avoid an attack that you didn’t see coming. That goes for any profession.

Most times, however, you will see the attacks of an Elementalist coming because there is no stealth mechanic to hide them (unless aided by another profession). Basically, the combo you were hit with isn’t anywhere near guaranteed to land—even in the hands of a skilled elementalist.

And the “one dodge” reasoning is very accurate. One dodge will disrupt the combo, and leave the opposing elementalist at a major disadvantage because of the lack of inherent defensive mechanics.

Hey guys welcome to Dr. Honovi! Today, we have a very important questions from a valuable member of the mesmer forums!

Q: I play mesmer and i quadruple shatter people for 10k in .01 sec. How is 100,000k damage/s not viable?
A: Because game mechanics don’t allow you to shatter people every .01 second.

Thanks for watching folks. Come back next time for another Q & A session with Dr. Honovi!

Best regards,

Dr. Honovi

Wat. Thief has been doing that since release, with way way way more escapes if it fails. The ele uses 100% glass in the traits and gear to accomplish this. You can probably crit an ele for 20k easily when they’re using this spec, and their max health is around 11k.

And I do always move out of churning earth. If I get immobilized, I use updraft when they lightning flash to me. 1s evade +knockdown. I win. Burning retreat with staff. 1s evade +burning. I win. You only lose if you don’t see the channel. That’s how thieves win. That’s how most every class wins when running glass. Burst on someone who doesn’t expect it. However a thief can just go do it to someone else in a very short cd. An ele has to leave the area and wait for cds.

Noxrawr.6125:

Funny how you can defend that this type of damage is balanced. It isnt always possible to evade an attack.

It may not be balanced, but it isn’t overpowered. It isn’t because of dodging the attacks though, it’s because a glass ele has literally no active or passive defense aside from dodging. Glass thieves and mesmers still have their evades, stealth and teleports. That defense will even setup the damage skills. Dodging makes the clones to shatter, blurred frenzy is an evading attack and stealth gives thieves their strongest damage skill while forcing enemies to avoid it based on guessing. Plus the full ele combo has a 45 second cooldown. Literally, you survive the ele’s burst and you win. The ele build is the biggest gimmick in the game, it has one advantage, one strategy and one way it can win.

High instant cast damage damage skills are bad design, but it isn’t nearly as bad as 8-12k crits from invisible enemies every few seconds, a burst skill that lets the user evade or a 10 second cooldown teleport that can be used while stunned.

Oooh boy wait til u fight a 4 signet thief then we shall see some whine

Noxrawr.6125:

katniss.6735:

Because 3.25s cast time is instant, right?

Use eyes.

Yea and if you miss 1 dodge youre instantly dead. No other class in the game can accomplish ANYTHING like this. This type of damage is a completely other ballpark than any other ability in the game. And pls, dont come at me claiming that you always dodge whenever youre about to take damage because thats pure nonsense.

4 hits, and I was dead. while a warrior is a heavy armor class and I’m a light armor class.
I’ve gotten 9k backstabs from thieves before as well. Same goes for mesmers, a decent shatter combo can 1 shot me. Almost every class has 1 shot combo builds. On the top of my head I can probably name for every class a 1 shot build.

Warrior, axe build
Guardian, meditations
Thief, backstab build
Engineer, rifle with static discharge
Rangers, greatsword (yes I’ve seen certain rangers reach 7k crits with Maul.)
Mesmer, shatter build obviously
Necro’s, power build with ds/lichform
Elementalists, Arcane build

Although some might not be as effective as the elementalist his 1 shot builds, it only seems like that cause there are way more other viable builds for these classes then this kitten. I can guarantee you almost no elementalist runs this, in all honestly, it’s a pretty bad build if you ask me.

Also a good tip is when you see the elementalist rais his feet up in the air from a distance, you know he’s gonna lightning flash towards you to do the combo cause there’s no reason for him to cast earthquake from a distance.

Instant burst is cheese, but ele is still not viable in any competitive PvP.

It’s not impossible to dodge though. 99% of the time, the ele is going to start by unleashing hurl (the rocks floating above him start flying at you), earthquake (he jumps in the air with streams of dust and rock flying around him) and then lightning flashes to his target. You have almost 1 second to react and either dodge or invuln before his burst lands.

More damaging, but much more difficult to land, starts in fire with phoenix into air/arcane burst. Moving around makes this almost impossible to land, so don’t stand still when fighting an ele.

While ele does have the highest instant burst in the game, most classes can come close. Thief and guardian are much more survivable and can pull 90% of the damage in the same timestamp. Mesmer needs a little more setup, but can still do a lot of instant burst.

In most cases the combo is executed using S/D and the following build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJArYhImIblx5gjEAkCoMZ0xIiHW4gEVBA-ToAg0CnI4SxljLDXSuscNKYSB

You might as well try it yourself, while this can be good for a laugh or two you will notice pretty quickly that having a chance for a kill only every 45 seconds (because thats the cooldown of the crucial skills) is not a viable concept (in between that you will be a running rallybot). Miss the combo or hit something like a warrior with defy pain and you’re out. There are no stunbreaks, no escapes, no stealth, no plan B if your combo fails. You might even get in trouble getting the stomp off.

Low survivality, no filters against enemies(Mesmer has clones and 5k base health, thief hides and kills with 1 move light armors and has medium armor).

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

Don’t go full zerk or learn to dodge/blurred frenzy.

press dodge/decoy. gg bb.

if target dodge/block your burst, well, farewall blue sky/mother-earth.

playing this 1shot ele is a gambling.

this is extremely zerk build:
bs+hs=dead
any stun = dead
root = well…you know…dead
shatter = dead
axe eviscerate = dead (yes, warr can one shot you just by 1 button press. 10k evi withoout might, 9-12 might stacked enough to one shot glassy ele)
even bunker guardian can kill it = root->whirl on gs = dead

updraft/LF/RTL on cd = dead

well. summary:
lowest defence, lowest HP pool, cutted mobility, 70% of utilities useless, all ultimates – useless.
traits supports more bunker play style (fire traits – useless), arcane – disbalance
there is no focus traits, focus skills designed awful

idk what to say, just try to play ele and you’ll understand why ele’s on the bottom.

only 1 pros – extreme burst that can “one shot”, just make a comparison for example with warrior
also there is no reward for skill play. 2 button warrior can outshine ele with all his combos. lol. or you deal same damage as mesmer, but you need to press 10 buttons, when mesmer can just dodge>blurred>shatter. pff

also I was kicked from my team cuz “sorry mate, you are playing only ele. yeah, we know, ele is interesting and fun class, but we want to progress, nothing personal”

also 2 my friends playing ele’s in pvp just rolled another class to play pvp – one for guardian, another for spirit ranger /o\

playing ele in pvp is like playing necro/engi/ranger in pve. yes, you can do something, but hey, mate, just take warr and go go 100B

btw sorry for wall of text.

OneManArmy.9732:

press dodge/decoy. gg bb.

if target dodge/block your burst, well, farewall blue sky/mother-earth.

playing this 1shot ele is a gambling.

this is extremely zerk build:
bs+hs=dead
any stun = dead
root = well…you know…dead
shatter = dead
axe eviscerate = dead (yes, warr can one shot you just by 1 button press. 10k evi withoout might, 9-12 might stacked enough to one shot glassy ele)
even bunker guardian can kill it = root->whirl on gs = dead

updraft/LF/RTL on cd = dead

well. summary:
lowest defence, lowest HP pool, cutted mobility, 70% of utilities useless, all ultimates – useless.
traits supports more bunker play style (fire traits – useless), arcane – disbalance
there is no focus traits, focus skills designed awful

idk what to say, just try to play ele and you’ll understand why ele’s on the bottom.

only 1 pros – extreme burst that can “one shot”, just make a comparison for example with warrior
also there is no reward for skill play. 2 button warrior can outshine ele with all his combos. lol. or you deal same damage as mesmer, but you need to press 10 buttons, when mesmer can just dodge>blurred>shatter. pff

also I was kicked from my team cuz “sorry mate, you are playing only ele. yeah, we know, ele is interesting and fun class, but we want to progress, nothing personal”

also 2 my friends playing ele’s in pvp just rolled another class to play pvp – one for guardian, another for spirit ranger /o\

<em>playing ele in pvp is like playing necro/engi/ranger in pve. yes, you can do something, but hey, mate, just take warr and go go 100B</em>

btw sorry for wall of text.

Nailed it.

Bsgapollo.5364:

Noxrawr.6125:

katniss.6735:

Because 3.25s cast time is instant, right?

Use eyes.

Yea and if you miss 1 dodge youre instantly dead. No other class in the game can accomplish ANYTHING like this. This type of damage is a completely other ballpark than any other ability in the game. And pls, dont come at me claiming that you always dodge whenever youre about to take damage because thats pure nonsense.

4 hits, and I was dead. while a warrior is a heavy armor class and I’m a light armor class.
I’ve gotten 9k backstabs from thieves before as well. Same goes for mesmers, a decent shatter combo can 1 shot me. Almost every class has 1 shot combo builds. On the top of my head I can probably name for every class a 1 shot build.

Warrior, axe build
Guardian, meditations
Thief, backstab build
Engineer, rifle with static discharge
Rangers, greatsword (yes I’ve seen certain rangers reach 7k crits with Maul.)
Mesmer, shatter build obviously
Necro’s, power build with ds/lichform
Elementalists, Arcane build

Although some might not be as effective as the elementalist his 1 shot builds, it only seems like that cause there are way more other viable builds for these classes then this kitten. I can guarantee you almost no elementalist runs this, in all honestly, it’s a pretty bad build if you ask me.

Also a good tip is when you see the elementalist rais his feet up in the air from a distance, you know he’s gonna lightning flash towards you to do the combo cause there’s no reason for him to cast earthquake from a distance.

Dat 15k Vapor Form!!! Plz nurf!!!

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I wonder if you have ever heard of the phrase “one trick pony”.

Google it.

PvP wise (vs not organised teams and in yolo Q) ele is pretty viable if you run the best possible builds.
What i find rly viable and strong on ele is the arcane spec :
0-30-10-0-30
currently with Scepter / Focus
I am able to win the high majority of my 1vs1s, i must admit it is tricky and u have to master ele to a high level to be sucessfull with it in pvp but it is NOT as WEAK as most people think it is (at least this spec)
You have good sustain (obsidian flesh / 2 Reflects / multiple blinds / arcana dodge trait! / arcane shield / frozen armor (10% dmg reduction with protection saves ur life vs theives) / u can self stack might / not to mention the Fresh air trait = its crazy good /well timed arcane + lightning bursts with zerker amu are lethal on everything

Ele is meant to be played as a glasscannon with the little sustain it has already, and u all have to admit this profession requires skill to be effective.
The issue here is that other proffs and some specs became too brainless and easy to use and still being effective, which is sad. I hope one day a lot more specs will be like the ele specs now : SKILL BASED.

-also some people whine a lot on forums, never trust them, try to find solutions instead of telling urself: this ele is kitten bad, cuz it aint, u jsut have to master it and outsmart our enemies, but why would enyone spend weeks on mastering ele when u can paly brainded warriors and thieves lolz : D

If you have bad reactions and/or cannot avoid burst, you shouldn’t play zerker. Being able to cheese people down with a faceroll on the keyboard also doesn’t necessarily mean that the class itself is viable in pvp. Also, compare the burst of an Ele to thief burst. An ele has to press a lot of buttons within short time to do his burst, thiefs for example only have to hit two buttons for cloak and dagger + backstab (or just heartseeker).

hate to tell you dude, but that elem was killed by a sparkfly about 20 seconds after your encounter.. he was running on fumes, better luck next time.. although, next time you will probably defeat the elem 17 times out of 20
anyway, what is this “viable” you speak of

Noxrawr.6125:

Cassiel.8762:

Noxrawr.6125:

I play mesmer and i once again got instantly killed by an ele. He zapped at me and killed me with 2 sequential hits. I am not exaggerating here, 2 hits is all it took and they both occurred within a 0.5 sec time span. So what part of instagibbing, or in other words, a damage output that equals 23 k in 0.5 sec => 46 k/sec is not viable in pvp?

I play mesmer and i once again hit sword 2 and evaded for 2.5s, mitigating the 115k damage zap zap that the omgwtfpwnOP ele was trying to do. Then i dodged twice and hit f4 and mitigated another 138k damage. Then he ran away. omg. dodge button op. must nerf!

Its hilarious how you think im exaggerating in my post. Im not. I died within 0.5 sec time, period. And if that guy can do it, others can do it too, hence my question, what exactly is not viable about ele’s? But i guess the post above this 1 sums it up.

“Exaggerating” isn’t the precise word I’d use to describe your post, no. After my Ele, who I still play because I’m stubborn and invested in the concept, my Mesmer is my most often played, and is my go-to character when the PvP bug hits me. I can say with absolute certainty that if an Elementalist, of all things, is mopping up with you, the fault is entirely yours for failing to make adequate use of one of the most abundant sets of defensive capabilities in the game.

1) Mesmer should never lose to an Ele 1v1, you are the best 1v1 class and Ele is one of the worst.

2) Just because an Ele outplayed you doesn’t mean they are “viable”.

3) Ele’s are pretty much absent in most tournament teams, if not entire tournaments.

4) Try actually PLAYING as an elementalist, come back and let us know how “viable” you were (not hotjoins pls).

5) L2P.

Bsgapollo.5364:

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

If you can’t beat the average fotm summer-time Warrior on a D/D or S/D Ele you are complete and utter trash and should uninstall. A high-level Warrior should give you a run for your money but you should still be able to maintain a fairly even win-loss ratio against them.

In a Warrior/Ele fight it’s all about who makes more mistakes in a row. Both classes have the ability to recover from what should be fatal mistakes, both classes have the ability to kite and control, both classes have the ability to heal to full when they aren’t pressured. Warriors and Ele’s are like peas in a pod.

Julie Yann.5379:

I think it’s because Ele is a complicated class to play. Those who master it can pull off some pretty epic combos and deal a lot of damage. Unfortunately the majority (myself included) don’t have that level of skill and therefore the Ele seems UP which really isn’t the case.

You think its a skill issue?
Like there is only a select few gamers that have tapped the potential of this class…
There are tons of threads in these forums that will point out the flaws with the traits and with that suggestions.

Dead Muppet.9718:

Julie Yann.5379:

I think it’s because Ele is a complicated class to play. Those who master it can pull off some pretty epic combos and deal a lot of damage. Unfortunately the majority (myself included) don’t have that level of skill and therefore the Ele seems UP which really isn’t the case.

You think its a skill issue?
Like there is only a select few gamers that have tapped the potential of this class…
There are tons of threads in these forums that will point out the flaws with the traits and with that suggestions.

It is a skill issue but that doesn’t mean it is not a problem and it doesn’t mean there isn’t issues with traits. What would need to happen is to make the Ele more effective at the intermediate/good skill level and less effective at the godly skill level. How that can be accomplished is beyond my understanding of the class. I only alt an Ele, and only play a WvW staff build which also works well in dungeons.

robocafaz.9017:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

If you can’t beat the average fotm summer-time Warrior on a D/D or S/D Ele you are complete and utter trash and should uninstall. A high-level Warrior should give you a run for your money but you should still be able to maintain a fairly even win-loss ratio against them.

In a Warrior/Ele fight it’s all about who makes more mistakes in a row. Both classes have the ability to recover from what should be fatal mistakes, both classes have the ability to kite and control, both classes have the ability to heal to full when they aren’t pressured. Warriors and Ele’s are like peas in a pod.

LOL, have you ever even played ele before outside of wvw ? D/d is complete trash in pvp since ele’s are forced to run berserker now. And incase you haven’t noticed yet, when you’re running berserker you kittening melt in teamfights. It goes beyond my mind that you actually dare to compare a warrior making a mistake and an ele making a mistake. For a warrior it means a fraction of it’s health gone, for an ele it’s instant death.

Please take a screenshot of your pvp experience as an ele. I’d love to see how many games you actually played. I bet you don’t even have over 200 games.

If your teammates bring stability, CC, and cleansing then ele is a great asset

robocafaz.9017:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

If you can’t beat the average fotm summer-time Warrior on a D/D or S/D Ele you are complete and utter trash and should uninstall. A high-level Warrior should give you a run for your money but you should still be able to maintain a fairly even win-loss ratio against them.

In a Warrior/Ele fight it’s all about who makes more mistakes in a row. Both classes have the ability to recover from what should be fatal mistakes, both classes have the ability to kite and control, both classes have the ability to heal to full when they aren’t pressured. Warriors and Ele’s are like peas in a pod.

If you’re losing to eles on a warrior, it’s an L2P issue. You are bad and you should feel bad.

Warrior has more armor, health and healing when both are specced similarly. His cooldowns on powerful skills are less than half of comparable ele abilities. To say that the matchup is even and comes down to who makes more mistakes is just ignorant.

The warrior has a massive margin for error against ele, because he can use invulns and CC (doesn’t matter if they land or get dodged, you’re stopping incoming damage either way) and just regen all of the damage that you face tanked. Ele has to stop attacking to heal, during which time the warrior is also healing while attacking the ele.

The two classes are not even. They’re not close in terms of power or skill required to play.

Go back to the warrior forums and stop embarrassing yourself here.

robocafaz.9017:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

If you can’t beat the average fotm summer-time Warrior on a D/D or S/D Ele you are complete and utter trash and should uninstall. A high-level Warrior should give you a run for your money but you should still be able to maintain a fairly even win-loss ratio against them.

In a Warrior/Ele fight it’s all about who makes more mistakes in a row. Both classes have the ability to recover from what should be fatal mistakes, both classes have the ability to kite and control, both classes have the ability to heal to full when they aren’t pressured. Warriors and Ele’s are like peas in a pod.

Jesus kittening christ..what is wrong with you people?
Instead of encouraging people to do their best and teach them a couple of things since you are all so kittening pro you go on and badmouth the kitten out of them.

In this case the poor mesmer just didn’t know what to expect because of all the whiners in this forum claiming how useless the ele is.He was unprepared and got served accordingly.
Now you know what to expect.React faster and you might win the next time.
S/D burst is huge.If you sit idle its tremendous.If the dragon tooth/phoenix/fire grab/air burst hits you are most probably dead.Even more so from a player that has his spells keybinded in a way that allows him to do the combo ultra fast.