Guild Wars 2

I see a lot of people are not happy about the tempest design, so I’m curious…

If tempest is released as is, how many of you will quit playing Ele as main and move to another class?

Will anyone go so far as to quit and look for a different game if the elite spec doesn’t offer something fresh/unique?

Won’t quit, that’s silly. However I’ve decided berserker and reaper are going to be my mains

Quit? Even after Hot is released Eles will be great everywhere, PVE, Dungeons, PVP, WVW, Eles have a place everywhere and their builds are some of the more powerful ones on each game mode. I guess someone might be bored after playing the same build for such a long time so it’s time to try new profs (if you haven’t already) and go back to Ele when you want to feel awesome again after the honeymoon-phase of the new elites is over.

Its not because we don´t like ele or GW2. Its tempest and low build diversity that sucks.
The question should be more: Will you buy HoT after reading this feedback.
Most intens writers here already preordered and now give feedback.
Also a lot of eles wanted somthing intresting and new. When water/cantrips + 4 elements swaping is what you did for years, tempest might be the drop to quit ele.

I’m going to play other classes and roflol when someone uses Rebound.

Ele still an ele and is still very fun / viable even if a person dose not like tempest.

I won’t quit. When HoT is out, I will simply ignore Tempest, and play core elementalist less than before (you know, 3 years being my main class). I’ll play it very occasionally, and play DH (if they fix it correctly), and chronomancer. I’ll have to wait and decide on thief and engi specializations.

Gonna main thief if it remains as is…

I’m gonna ignore Tempest, play base Ele for pvp dailies maybe and focus on my new main: Revenant.

It’s silly to think about quitting game just because of Tempest. But I’ll with 99% chance change my main to Rev or Mesmer (maaybe thief or engi, depends on their elite specs), even if they will make some tweaks to it, because I really don’t like the Tempest design itself. Ele is great, but… after 3 years, still the same, it just gets little boring… (Doesn’t mean I will stop playing core ele, but it will not be my main anymore).
The only thing that may give my ele status “main” back, are some big changes to core ele or next ele elite spec.

I’m actually pretty happy playing staff as it is right now, so no, I don’t think I am going to quit as my life is relatively unaltered. I am just disappointed, but it was bound to happen. Anet is a great development company, but you can’t add this many specializations to the game and expect them to all be winners.

MadRabbit.3179:

I’m actually pretty happy playing staff as it is right now, so no, I don’t think I am going to quit as my life is relatively unaltered. I am just disappointed, but it was bound to happen. Anet is a great development company, but you can’t add this many specializations to the game and expect them to all be winners.

At least some folks will enjoy the visuals. You know, some people are into that. /zaithanfight

Valento.9852:

MadRabbit.3179:

I’m actually pretty happy playing staff as it is right now, so no, I don’t think I am going to quit as my life is relatively unaltered. I am just disappointed, but it was bound to happen. Anet is a great development company, but you can’t add this many specializations to the game and expect them to all be winners.

At least some folks will enjoy the visuals. You know, some people are into that. /zaithanfight

I can assure you I will enjoy killing tempests with my staff.

Pretty much just gonna go play my Revenant for a while.

They really have no idea what front line actually means in their game. From their perspective they pretty much balance PvP > PvE > WvW. PvP there’s really no front line and you just aren’t going to beat D/D’s defenses and damage potential baked into that bruiser style play. PvE the meta is as much damage as humanly possible for speed runs and for anything else it literally doesn’t matter. WvW it has a lot of potential but it’s squandered by the fact they don’t balance for WvW so ultimately it’s left in a lackluster “almost” state. Hell they don’t even address the lack of base stats on the class (armor/toughness and HP) which means trying to gear for front line is pretty much impossible compared to other front line classes.

So why bother? There’s very few conceivable scenarios where they manage to pull off the specialization. It’s doomed from concept because it’s just a bad concept for this particular class. I’d love to just blame Karl for this but who knows who or why they decided to go this route but it’s not one that anyone is going to easily recover from. Just kinda the way it is. If you still enjoy the game, there’s plenty of other great classes and plenty of amazing specializations coming out so not sure why you’d want to quit either.

I have stopped playing the game due to the fact I’m currently just tired of it. I’m not gonna say it was only because of Tempest, but it played a big part. It wasn’t some irrational and rushed decision, but just didn’t want to log in anymore. I’ve played the game for over two years and at this point I would just like something new to play on the class I main, but the game got very stale. I really cannot stand playing the same spec for such a long time with no variety and with pvp being at the state it is.

I am going to come back to the game at some point, but Tempest is not making me want to at all. I might play a different class, I’m not sure, but I really do wish they would just read the feedback and do the changes they’re supposed to.

I’m pretty happy with the Tempest, and if people stop playing Ele because of it, all the better. Too many people play Ele anyway.

I’m not going to stop playing if Tempest ends up sucking, but I certainly won’t buy HoT. Tempest is, FOR ME, literally the only reason to buy/play HoT, as silly as that may seem to others. It isn’t living up to my expectations at the moment. I hope it gets some good changes.

I won’t quit, but I’ll just ignore the elite spec and wait for one that suits my playstyle and isn’t contrary to the very things I love about elementalist.

Why quit when you can just ignore it? Better question: why freak out when we’re not even past the second BWE?

People are so goofy… “I’m going to quit if the new line isn’t stronger than my already overpowered class standard builds!” Good grief. Tempest has some issues but it’s not NEARLY as flawed as some people like to think, and the class as a whole is doing very fine. Who cares if your new line isn’t the new mandatory Arcane 2.0…

I’m going to quit my D/D Ele and become a D/D Tempest.

ronpierce.2760:

People are so goofy… “I’m going to quit if the new line isn’t stronger than my already overpowered class standard builds!” Good grief. Tempest has some issues but it’s not NEARLY as flawed as some people like to think, and the class as a whole is doing very fine. Who cares if your new line isn’t the new mandatory Arcane 2.0…

Cuz it’s really boring to me. It wasn’t fun nor effective and Ele has gotten really dull to me lately → swapping to Rev.

Just because the tempest is horrible, doesn’t mean that I will quit. I will likely continue to play ele without touching its elite spec. My elite specs of choice will be the reaper and the berserker. They both seem to be turning out awesome and I’ve always wanted to make my norn warrior a blood-thirsty and reckless barbarian.

I wished for some new gameplay, but we didn’t get anything exciting this round.

I won’t quit ele and he will still be my main (depends on the awesomness of other classes xD [berserker]), but i will definitily wont touch warhorn as it is right now, seems pretty boring and i dont like our mainhands options either (at least for pve).

I guess there is room for improvement and i hope karl can give us a little love here and there to make it an exciting specialization at least on some degree so its not so underpowered and underwhelming.

PS: for example replace that elite with something exciting (give us quickness, that will synergize with overloads).

The biggest problem with Tempest is that people seem to think that Tempest must be an upgrade to what they are doing right now, which is simply not the case. Tempest isn’t supposed to make all current builds obsolete, it’s supposed to be one of many possible builds.

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

Aetrion.8295:

The biggest problem with Tempest is that people seem to think that Tempest must be an upgrade to what they are doing right now, which is simply not the case. Tempest isn’t supposed to make all current builds obsolete, it’s supposed to be one of many possible builds.

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

Not true. The only reason why tempest must be “better” is because it does what an ele can already do, but worse. An elite spec is supposed to be different.

This spec could have given us a proper condition or burst build, to name a few off the top of my head. Contrary to popular belief, eles can’t do everything.

But they can already burst and do condi.

Kidel.2057:

But they can already burst and do condi.

The burst which relies entirely on landing Phoenix? Everything else on Scepter sucks.
Don’t even think that Burning Speed and Fire Grab are reliable Burst skills, especially on Celestial. So predictable that it’s painful and you’ll need quite a lot of Might to make it actually do “burst” in the same vein as a BURST build(it actually never comes close to being as good as other Burst skills in the game).

While you’re right that the Ele can technically do Condi(it just ends up being the crazy amount of stacks from Fire Ring and Drake’s Breath), we don’t have any dedicated condition build. Actually, the Tempest didn’t introduce a single new way to apply Bleeding or any other damaging Condition. All we got it more Burning, Vuln, Cripple, and immobilize(most of which are pretty unusable). It’s pretty much purely Power, but Power builds would never touch Warhorn or Overloads, so it doesn’t even matter.

Kidel.2057:

But they can already burst and do condi.

Technically every profession has some conditions and some form of burst. I’m talking about builds dedicated to these aspects of the game.

Eles can burn you for tons of damage, yes. However, that is due to how broken burning is atm. Expect nerfs to burning soon. Besides, eles have no dedicated Condi build because they can’t access tons of cover conditions easily.

And the current ele burst specs are pathetic, let’s not even go there.

I wasn’t expecting them to release something better than the current options on elementalist anyways, because I’m not a PvP player and in PvE elementalist is borderline brokenly overpowered :P

The major disappointment from me is that I don’t get to use sword on ele tbh. I was looking for something in between the DPS of dagger mainhand and staff, so that there’d be more build diversity.

Sadly, Tempest is probably the 2nd most underwhelming elite specialization so far… Dragonhunter being the worst.

On that note… if I were to quit this game, I would need a hell of a lot better reason than this. It’s not like I was only looking forward to playing this game all of this time just for Tempest… in fact it was one of the things I least cared about. What I want is bug fixes, new dungeons, and raids. Preferably some other meaningful activities to do besides just combat-related ones too.

The game? No not really. I’d stop playing if Challenging Group Content ended up being raids AND that’s all the developers spend most of their PvE resources on.

The profession? At launch of HoT, yes. I’m bored of Staff and the problems that Elementalist has. Everyone says they’re fine…but only in the current meta. If we have bosses that can move (Lt. Kohler) or bosses with higher toughness but lower vit (like mentioned in the new Fractals), then Ele is going to lag behind even if they have the theoretical highest DPS. If we can’t land our Lava Fonts and Fireballs…or even have to rely on conditions for some fights, then the real weaknesses of the profession come out.

As shown from the recent Dragonhunter changes (as in ones that were announced today), I don’t think Karl is bad at his job. Actually worse, I think he’s complacent with elementalists. And there are players that are just as complacent backing those views.

Tempest is not in a good position and as I said way back in June…it’s unfair to warhorn more than anything else. Overloads and shouts suck, but…Warhorn is surprisingly good. It still needs tweaking, but it does have a few niche uses. And this is what I originally thought when I heard about our first elite spec as ele having a warhorn. I never thought warhorn would be bad on its own, but it does have to compete with our second (focus) and third (OH dagger) weapons (in PvE, probably higher value in PvP). We’re good for off-hands and I really hope they give us a good mainhand in the next round of elite specs. While i want sword, I’d settle for Mace, Axe…or even Pistol. (Though, I’d rather get dual wield pistol spellslinger as its own elite spec).

So, I’m debating between Herald, Daredevil, Forge, and Warrior as my main going into HoT.

Ganathar.4956:

Not true. The only reason why tempest must be “better” is because it does what an ele can already do, but worse. An elite spec is supposed to be different.

Yea, but what could it possibly do that Elementalists don’t do already?

Aetrion.8295:

Ganathar.4956:

Not true. The only reason why tempest must be “better” is because it does what an ele can already do, but worse. An elite spec is supposed to be different.

Yea, but what could it possibly do that Elementalists don’t do already?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/How-many-will-quit-if-they-dont-fix-tempest/first#post5419975

Won’t quit, but I won’t play tempest, that is for sure. Honestly, I think most people will let tempest rot in the dumpster, as they should. Given the ele dev’s complete lack of creativity or understanding to fix major class issues to this point, I don’t think they will ever make it something usable.

Perhaps the 2nd go-around will give us a dev with a clue. Until then, berserker, chronomancer, and new thief spec all look interesting.

Aetrion.8295:

The biggest problem with Tempest is that people seem to think that Tempest must be an upgrade to what they are doing right now, which is simply not the case. Tempest isn’t supposed to make all current builds obsolete, it’s supposed to be one of many possible builds.

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

The biggest problem with tempest is that you completely misdiagnosed what people want. What we wanted was ele v.1.0b and what we received is ele v0.5a.

rotten.9753:

Aetrion.8295:

The biggest problem with Tempest is that people seem to think that Tempest must be an upgrade to what they are doing right now, which is simply not the case. Tempest isn’t supposed to make all current builds obsolete, it’s supposed to be one of many possible builds.

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

The biggest problem with tempest is that you completely misdiagnosed what people want. What we wanted was ele v.1.0b and what we received is ele v0.5a.

Yes, this. I want a new and interesting playstyle, not something stronger than the current meta. What I’d personally like is a very high risk for reward meta build, I don’t want to feel like I’m playing the same build I already play on my ele if I play tempest.

Oh well at least Thief, warrior, rev elite specs looks like they’ll provide something fun.

After 3 years of Gw2 ele, trying everything, every trait,spec,rune,etc I am nt quitting ele because tempest is not as OP as other elites. But it would be fun to try a different class since I have nothing but eles.

I like the warhorn skills a lot, but I hate the traits. I don’t play too much ele now because necro is less face roll these days. I’ll probably play tempest casually when the expansion comes out but I’ll probably use reaper or the engi elite spec for tournaments and more serious stuff since I like necro and engi more these days because you actually need a brain to play them.

Won’t quit, but I won’t play tempest, that is for sure. Honestly, I think most people will let tempest rot in the dumpster, as they should. Given the ele dev’s complete lack of creativity or understanding to fix major class issues to this point, I don’t think they will ever make it something usable.

Perhaps the 2nd go-around will give us a dev with a clue. Until then, berserker, chronomancer, and new thief spec all look interesting.

You do understand that this game is a team effort, right? They wouldn’t just let some dev “go rogue” with a class that was sub-par. The Tempest we get is the Tempest that everyone involved in the development feels is the best Tempest we can get. I imagine you disagree, but it’s not reasonable to blame any individual devs for that difference of opinion.

Ohoni.6057:

Won’t quit, but I won’t play tempest, that is for sure. Honestly, I think most people will let tempest rot in the dumpster, as they should. Given the ele dev’s complete lack of creativity or understanding to fix major class issues to this point, I don’t think they will ever make it something usable.

Perhaps the 2nd go-around will give us a dev with a clue. Until then, berserker, chronomancer, and new thief spec all look interesting.

You do understand that this game is a team effort, right? They wouldn’t just let some dev “go rogue” with a class that was sub-par. The Tempest we get is the Tempest that everyone involved in the development feels is the best Tempest we can get. I imagine you disagree, but it’s not reasonable to blame any individual devs for that difference of opinion.

I don’t think that they that they think it is the best Tempest can get, mainly because they are willing to make it better, but I think they have to focus on traits then the dmg, to make more supporty traits.

But I would say if Tempe is horrible and can’t convert it into my build, I would stay with my current build. And if it makes me hate ele so much I would swap to mesmer

I have mained ele for 2.5 years. Not gonna quit or change mains. I’m not happy about tempest currently, but the bright side is people might jump off the ele bandwagon.

Aetrion.8295:

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

This is a fundamental issue to every MMORPG or even MRPG ever and will always be. It is simply impossible in practice to achieve perfect class balance. World of Warcraft eventually just said “kitten it. We’re pouring all this time and money into class balance, so let’s just streamline the talent and spec choices, so players have less options and balancing requires less work.” Want to see a really imbalanced game? Go play old school Neverwinter Nights.

People set this unrealistically high bar for developers when it comes to class balance when in actuality, Guild Wars 2 is one of the more balanced games I’ve played. The meta is mixed and there is a variety of different builds the classes can play that are viable.

And people’s opinion’s on these forums are largely hyperbolic, misinformed, based on limited perspective and usually rehashed from somebody else. The whole celestial D/D thing is a good example. This is constantly being heralded as the ultimate build for elementalists, but there is other options. Celestial staff is an equally viable option and exceeds D/D in terms of team healing, support, bunkering and peeling. It has been used in top ladder pvp.

There is always going to be a small set of select meta builds that represent the optimal max and mins for certain roles, no matter how much variety is in the game. But just because a new variance doesn’t make it into the meta doesn’t mean it’s useless. There is plenty of people who aren’t into speed dungeon runs or competitive pvp who are going to play Tempest and enjoy it for what it is. They are just the people who don’t post on forums like this. I mean, look at rangers. They were the redheaded step children of GW2 and yet, there was always an abundance of them in game.

I also always build non meta. Somthing i learn to handle well and fits my style.
I am not a speedruner or sPvP player but tempest is still hard to do a proper build.
And i am a game designer myself. I know it´s impossible to please all players, but it is possible to acieve much more build diversity and make tempest more accepted and work without breaking the balance.
In general i am fine with tempest. I can imagine a lot of diffrent concepts but this is what we get. A bit work on traits and rework rebound an tempest is OK. If it stays like now its sadly low tier.

Grimreaper.5370:

I see a lot of people are not happy about the tempest design, so I’m curious…

If tempest is released as is, how many of you will quit playing Ele as main and move to another class?

Will anyone go so far as to quit and look for a different game if the elite spec doesn’t offer something fresh/unique?

Quitting because of that is puerile and I already purchased HoT so it’s too late for me to not buy it (but I learned my lesson). I, like many others, will carry on with the ele I currently have.

Aetrion.8295:

The biggest problem with Tempest is that people seem to think that Tempest must be an upgrade to what they are doing right now, which is simply not the case. Tempest isn’t supposed to make all current builds obsolete, it’s supposed to be one of many possible builds.

The fundamental issue ANet needs to address is that it’s currently way too easy to make an ideal build and literally thousands of other build possibilities are viewed as useless as a result. So sure, as long as that’s broken nobody is going to be happy with getting something added to the game that isn’t better than what they got in every way.

I need a “WTF” emote here…

What exactly lead you to believe that non-sense? I have tried Tempest extensively all the beta week-end despite me not liking it, but truly wanting to, and trying to wiggle my build any way I could to find something remotely as viable as what I knew and was sorely disappointed to conclude that the best I could do was not even close to anything I already had and no different save for the pretty animations.

Nobody I know wanted to have anything better. I wanted something different that was equally viable. And in that regard it is a failure. I’m often defending ANET vs many ridiculous comments posters make but here I won’t. It is a legit failure to me and no number tweak can fix this. It is a conceptual problem.

I barely even looked at tempest, so I’m indifferent. I play ele 99% of my time invested in this game since beta, and don’t plan on changing that in expansion.

@Sirbeaumerdier, you couldn’t have phrased everything better. Those are exactly my thoughts aswell.

The people who tested it in beta, were you trying to solo roam with warhorn? Because I don’t think that’s the intent of the designers.

katniss.6735:

The people who tested it in beta, were you trying to solo roam with warhorn? Because I don’t think that’s the intent of the designers.

I tried it solo, and in group.

Verdict solo: I solo roam with zerk staff in wvw and I like it but would never do so again with war horn.

Verdict group: In a group it is viable, however, I failed to see why I would use an inferior spec than what my staff already provide in that regard. In short, what is the point of that specialization? We already have a very powerful support role and staff does it better while not having to shoot itself in the foot by taking a trait line that is so poor synergy-wise.

katniss.6735:

The people who tested it in beta, were you trying to solo roam with warhorn? Because I don’t think that’s the intent of the designers.

I can only speak for myself, but I assume a lot of other people tried it too; I did some PvE in Verdant Brink, did some PvP and did some Duels. All with friends. Tempest was boring and disappointing in all of them.
If it was weak, but fun, I wouldn’t hate it so much. The Reaper was a little on the weak side, but I had a blast with it, but the Tempest was SO boring to use. All you do is wait around and then you get interrupted and you have to wait some more. Whoever thought that casting a melee spell for 5s without any Stability or Dodges was going to be fun, is a madman.