Guild Wars 2

Hey all, Little roaming I did last night resulted in a pretty cool fight i recorded between me a gunflame warrior and a druid with a turtle banner(Plus a few npcs) – I cleared out the NPC’s fighting the druid with the turtle banner(he thought those would save him) and then he called his warrior buddy to come help him once i almost killed him and cleared the gaurd mobs -

I have a few more videos ill probably link later on once i find the time to upload them all.

I agree removal of cele(In PvP) has exposed a weakness in ele builds requiring some of everything as far as stats go, But hey, it’s still kicks kitten in WvW!

kornfanxxx.9143:

I agree removal of cele(In PvP) has exposed a weakness in ele builds requiring some of everything as far as stats go, But hey, it’s still kicks kitten in WvW!

I don’t think two or three builds to kitten is actually a good way to show build diversity…it’s quite the opposite. Regarding PvP, celestial was good for one or two builds, but couldn’t make a huge difference because other classes were way too strong. In WvW you still have celestial gear and thousands of other gears to use so you have more options of survivability through stats, however the same doesn’t apply to sPvP. And even though you have more options in WvW it still doesn’t make elementalists competitive at its own capacities: try to run condi builds of all kinds with an elementalist…they don’t work.

O_o i run a condi hybrid and it seems to work …. Still testing which setup might be best.
Only weakness i encounter is i die to focus fire from 3+ very fast.

Guizao.4167:

kornfanxxx.9143:

I agree removal of cele(In PvP) has exposed a weakness in ele builds requiring some of everything as far as stats go, But hey, it’s still kicks kitten in WvW!

I don’t think two or three builds to kitten is actually a good way to show build diversity…it’s quite the opposite. Regarding PvP, celestial was good for one or two builds, but couldn’t make a huge difference because other classes were way too strong. In WvW you still have celestial gear and thousands of other gears to use so you have more options of survivability through stats, however the same doesn’t apply to sPvP. And even though you have more options in WvW it still doesn’t make elementalists competitive at its own capacities: try to run condi builds of all kinds with an elementalist…they don’t work.

if your beef is with build diversity unfortunately almost every class is plagued with an optimal build, then a bunch of sub-optimal builds. the gap between the two depends on the class for sure. And I whole heartedly agree – I’d love to see tons of build diversity enter the game for each particular class. As far as effectiveness goes though I still see tempest doing well (PvE/WvW). Zerk staff is always a want in PvE and raids, And a zerk/maura staff in WvW is never a bad thing, And with the release of tempest d/x celestial frontline builds have found there way in zerg comps becoming a force multiplayer with fairly massive healing abilities and aura spam providing utility.

all this said Spvp tempest did take a dive.

I’m going to bet not many people complain about ele’s situation is talking about any game mode other than spvp.

And there, ele still has a place, it’s just that that role is being a support b**** even more than before. I for one am sick of it.

Like Wolfric I run a hybrid or condi build. Do okay at times but it doesn’t compare to other classes in terms of doing damage quickly. I look at my combat log a lot to compare.

I agree all classes are focused into a few builds. Problem is I feel they do a better job at it. Elementalist feel like a team support player who just adds something to the game.

Shadowflare.2759:

I’m going to bet not many people complain about ele’s situation is talking about any game mode other than spvp.

And there, ele still has a place, it’s just that that role is being a support b**** even more than before. I for one am sick of it.

Honestly, I loved my ele, and I enjoyed tempest bunker until it kinda got out of control in Spvp. Now that cele amulet is gone my preferred playstyle has been nerfed by anet. so I swapped over to WvW to enjoy the build I played in Spvp, It sucks. but depending on what you want the build to do and where you play it at, ele’s either in an amazing place or a kittened one(Again, depending on your perspective).

Either way i’m still having fun in WvW roaming/zerging with my friends and the game mode is pretty active for my server. As for your support complaint ~ Tempest is focused around team support, there’s not many ways around it. But the game isn’t designed for 1v1’s and completely 100% selfish play. I know I’m stating the obvious, But even back in the d/d cele meta days before the might/fire nerfs, ele was still considered a solid support class. it just has always been this way.

Ardamus.2730:

Like Wolfric I run a hybrid or condi build. Do okay at times but it doesn’t compare to other classes in terms of doing damage quickly. I look at my combat log a lot to compare.

I agree all classes are focused into a few builds. Problem is I feel they do a better job at it. Elementalist feel like a team support player who just adds something to the game.

so by hybrid your just running cele? or a rabid or viper mix or what? I just run full cele and consider my build “Hybrid” observe the video i linked and you’ll see I put alot of emphisis on condition pressure to help out my sustained damage from AOL to get the job done.

Else still have enough viable builds. They’re not op but they’re not exactly hurting either.

Wow, this is so stupid. You want to prove to us that ele is in a good spot by showing us this?! The druid isn’t even aiming at you with the 3 first projectiles, he litterly does nothing. He doesen’t even move. And yea, this build counter projectiles rly good, so basicly the rifle/gs warrior is screwd.
There isn’t much else to it.

Timelord.8190:

Wow, this is so stupid. You want to prove to us that ele is in a good spot by showing us this?! The druid isn’t even aiming at you with the 3 first projectiles, he litterly does nothing. He doesen’t even move. And yea, this build counter projectiles rly good, so basicly the rifle/gs warrior is screwd.
There isn’t much else to it.

This is constructive ~ Look guy, The video was only part of the discussion being had on this thread, not it’s entirety. Point is viable builds are there in WvW and PvE, With some flexibility on how you build. Total build diversity in spvp would never happen, Meta’s will always emerge with superior builds – it’s impossible to completely balance. Any complaints about removal of the Celestial pvp amulet should probably go in the Spvp forum.

Point is : Tempest has builds that are 100% viable and amazing in two out of three game modes, And frankly it’s not completely in the kitten in spvp either. (Warrior said hi).

None of the latest threads, Ele is viable, look what I do with it, means something.

What has a meaning with the start of the ESL Season 2, we will see 0 presentation of it in the leagues. I am quite sure, along with the Warrior, no ESL team will contain one.

That would mean there will be 7 more viable class to play with it, may be 6 because I am not sure how viable Mesmer would be, people will take because of the portal or leave it out.

So I waiting for that to be proof that Ele is viable or not, that is the only way ANet will accept that they screw the Ele and do something about, probably introducing Cele to Ele, by putting vitality/healing to some Water trait lines.

Until then I have no time to waste to Ele, I am Ele main from the start of the game, but I already do much better with Druid, with Celestial form you can say 3 attunements compared to Eles 4 or Engineer with it kits much closer to the Ele.

Druid has much more sustain then Ele ever did have and has 15K HP and medium armor, Engi has no burst healing but its sustain is crazy and has 15K and medium armor. They all do what I expect an Ele should do, so why I should get nerf breakdown trying to play Ele with it miniscule life pool and damage.

When ANet will accept that they screwed I will comeback to the class but when Ele was this bad last time, I tried for one year to make it work in the belief I can beat the odds, I don’t have one more year to waste.

The thing is ele is the jack of all trades but it cant do every thing only eng is the true jack of all trades but for some reason it can do every thing well. Yet ele suffers “lock” trades as in the wepon type it use and that its missing condtions types (no ideal why ele chill dose not do a dot yet necro gets both fear dot and a chill dot) and a “evasion” skill such as low cd blinks or super speed or stealth. Eng effectly has all of this yet it can do all of these far better then a class like ele and ele needs to lock them self into an wepon set that may lack some of these effect making it even far less of a jack of all trades class.

The truth of things ele is balanced as a jack of all trades class yet its not a true jack of all trades. That alone is what making ele a “bad” class and makes ele need to specialized into a type of game play cutting even more from its class type of being able to do it all.

posthumecaver.6473:

None of the latest threads, Ele is viable, look what I do with it, means something.

What has a meaning with the start of the ESL Season 2, we will see 0 presentation of it in the leagues. I am quite sure, along with the Warrior, no ESL team will contain one.

That would mean there will be 7 more viable class to play with it, may be 6 because I am not sure how viable Mesmer would be, people will take because of the portal or leave it out.

So I waiting for that to be proof that Ele is viable or not, that is the only way ANet will accept that they screw the Ele and do something about, probably introducing Cele to Ele, by putting vitality/healing to some Water trait lines.

Until then I have no time to waste to Ele, I am Ele main from the start of the game, but I already do much better with Druid, with Celestial form you can say 3 attunements compared to Eles 4 or Engineer with it kits much closer to the Ele.

Druid has much more sustain then Ele ever did have and has 15K HP and medium armor, Engi has no burst healing but its sustain is crazy and has 15K and medium armor. They all do what I expect an Ele should do, so why I should get nerf breakdown trying to play Ele with it miniscule life pool and damage.

When ANet will accept that they screwed I will comeback to the class but when Ele was this bad last time, I tried for one year to make it work in the belief I can beat the odds, I don’t have one more year to waste.

I think most ele fail might lack of HP not enough armour etc etc. But most of them don’t realize it more of mind set issue. It would take more then just 1 year to master a class. And that depends on how good you are. Maybe what i can suggest is try playing other class for a change. You can start of with heavy , medium, then lastly light class for a change to re learn what you have missed. (There are short cuts like cookie cutter but you will fail to learn certain lesson needed when the next balance hit you are doomed to fail again) with that been said there alway a except to the case. Life journey not the destination have fun and enjoy the game.

A interesting video
https://youtu.be/ui61Tf9-__k

Mystic Angelique.4021:

posthumecaver.6473:

None of the latest threads, Ele is viable, look what I do with it, means something.

What has a meaning with the start of the ESL Season 2, we will see 0 presentation of it in the leagues. I am quite sure, along with the Warrior, no ESL team will contain one.

That would mean there will be 7 more viable class to play with it, may be 6 because I am not sure how viable Mesmer would be, people will take because of the portal or leave it out.

So I waiting for that to be proof that Ele is viable or not, that is the only way ANet will accept that they screw the Ele and do something about, probably introducing Cele to Ele, by putting vitality/healing to some Water trait lines.

Until then I have no time to waste to Ele, I am Ele main from the start of the game, but I already do much better with Druid, with Celestial form you can say 3 attunements compared to Eles 4 or Engineer with it kits much closer to the Ele.

Druid has much more sustain then Ele ever did have and has 15K HP and medium armor, Engi has no burst healing but its sustain is crazy and has 15K and medium armor. They all do what I expect an Ele should do, so why I should get nerf breakdown trying to play Ele with it miniscule life pool and damage.

When ANet will accept that they screwed I will comeback to the class but when Ele was this bad last time, I tried for one year to make it work in the belief I can beat the odds, I don’t have one more year to waste.

I think most ele fail might lack of HP not enough armour etc etc. But most of them don’t realize it more of mind set issue. It would take more then just 1 year to master a class. And that depends on how good you are. Maybe what i can suggest is try playing other class for a change. You can start of with heavy , medium, then lastly light class for a change to re learn what you have missed. (There are short cuts like cookie cutter but you will fail to learn certain lesson needed when the next balance hit you are doomed to fail again) with that been said there alway a except to the case. Life journey not the destination have fun and enjoy the game.

A interesting video
https://youtu.be/ui61Tf9-__k

Another lovely quote, I said I am main-ing this class for 4 years, you still have nothing better then say L2P.

I am pointing above all the contradiction of ANet towards Ele, Druid having more healing, nearly 3 attunements compared Ele’s 4 (weapon swaps and Celestial form), having more mobility, comparable damage to Ele with same gear and still having 15K HP pool and medium armor. Or Engineer, which you can clearly say has more sustain then Ele, nearly same amount of attunements because of Kits and definitely more damage and still have 15K HP and medium armor and only thing you can tell me L2P.

Well we will see in the Season 2 of the ESL how much of the top players have to L2P Ele so we will have Ele’s in teams.

posthumecaver.6473:

Mystic Angelique.4021:

posthumecaver.6473:

None of the latest threads, Ele is viable, look what I do with it, means something.

What has a meaning with the start of the ESL Season 2, we will see 0 presentation of it in the leagues. I am quite sure, along with the Warrior, no ESL team will contain one.

That would mean there will be 7 more viable class to play with it, may be 6 because I am not sure how viable Mesmer would be, people will take because of the portal or leave it out.

So I waiting for that to be proof that Ele is viable or not, that is the only way ANet will accept that they screw the Ele and do something about, probably introducing Cele to Ele, by putting vitality/healing to some Water trait lines.

Until then I have no time to waste to Ele, I am Ele main from the start of the game, but I already do much better with Druid, with Celestial form you can say 3 attunements compared to Eles 4 or Engineer with it kits much closer to the Ele.

Druid has much more sustain then Ele ever did have and has 15K HP and medium armor, Engi has no burst healing but its sustain is crazy and has 15K and medium armor. They all do what I expect an Ele should do, so why I should get nerf breakdown trying to play Ele with it miniscule life pool and damage.

When ANet will accept that they screwed I will comeback to the class but when Ele was this bad last time, I tried for one year to make it work in the belief I can beat the odds, I don’t have one more year to waste.

I think most ele fail might lack of HP not enough armour etc etc. But most of them don’t realize it more of mind set issue. It would take more then just 1 year to master a class. And that depends on how good you are. Maybe what i can suggest is try playing other class for a change. You can start of with heavy , medium, then lastly light class for a change to re learn what you have missed. (There are short cuts like cookie cutter but you will fail to learn certain lesson needed when the next balance hit you are doomed to fail again) with that been said there alway a except to the case. Life journey not the destination have fun and enjoy the game.

A interesting video
https://youtu.be/ui61Tf9-__k

Another lovely quote, I said I am main-ing this class for 4 years, you still have nothing better then say L2P.

I am pointing above all the contradiction of ANet towards Ele, Druid having more healing, nearly 3 attunements compared Ele’s 4 (weapon swaps and Celestial form), having more mobility, comparable damage to Ele with same gear and still having 15K HP pool and medium armor. Or Engineer, which you can clearly say has more sustain then Ele, nearly same amount of attunements because of Kits and definitely more damage and still have 15K HP and medium armor and only thing you can tell me L2P.

Well we will see in the Season 2 of the ESL how much of the top players have to L2P Ele so we will have Ele’s in teams.

Hi posthumecaver, you might have misinterpreted what meant as a whole. For WvW , PVE Ele still pretty much in good place not saying its easily to play thou. It does have very low hp and heal ratio if you compare to druid( There is a build around this for WvW D/F D/D is still possible for roaming). Druid is alot easier to play then ele eg. better heal/ long boons. Relative easy to proc might. As for PvP it does feel rather pigeon hole into support build. Without Celeste D/D is alot harder to play .At least thief get to stealth (Not that it is of any use recent meta Trapper build are one of the few killer in spike damage against low hp characters ) but Rotation table is alot harder(yes you do need to be master pianist to play) now one daze or stun is enough to kill an ele. You need to dodge every 10 sec or lesser if you going stay alive cause you just can’t out sustain with celestial like before. Currently still working a stable ele build for pvp might take some time to get a working meta out(Limited time to play). Frustration is real, ele one of those class you do die alot. but It even more rewarding when you get it right (playing with handicap, it what meant to be leet if you do win ) this is a bragging right and even more exciting to watch then tank necro if you get what i mean. No one will expect ele to pawn right. Have abit more faith since you liked the class so much.

I started as ele last May. I asked my friends who is a good healer and can figth at range.
The said staff ele. So i started. But then staff play was not the right thing for me.
I tested weapons settled fast to scepter + focus.
I play this since then. I play 99% ele and trained to get better and better. I made a build to counter the last years zerker meta and i constantly try to adapt and make the build better. It evolved droping arcane for tempest which realy did move my ele into what i wanted.
An agressive support. I play it in pvp with the 13k HP from soldiers. I did test amulets and thought sage or mercenary should be noticeable better. But no i don´t need more HP. Clerics just feels bad even giving more sustain …. I am not more successful with clerics. I always come back to my wanderers + soldiers. Also i wanted to try runes but again it just got unstable and not more fun. (A special Mecenaries + lyssa build did somehow feel OK but i missed the team cleanses on shouts).
Its realy strange what i play but it fits me very well, is fun to play and acually kills and supports in an agressive way. Just had a 9 game win streak. Lost today but you can´t win all :-). Its realy very much L2P and also what you can handle best.
As a side note. Settlers was the second amulet i had fun with it. This was the real bunker ^^.

Dangerous classes to me? Well depends on build. condi reaper is a threat but i might win, well played warriors are evil i win when they are on cooldown and i am still in a good shape (moving/doging is key here), revenants are dangerous and scrappers can outsustain me. But none is a shure loss. DH, Druid, Thief are nearly autowins (i like the thief that follows me when i am on 50% trying to finish me). Mesmers are anoying but rare. Their bunker and shatter builds usually can´t kill me.

Sadly i am starting to think ele is in a realy bad placse it has been for some time its in a places that its being balanced as a jack of all trades class yet it cant do every thing. Its dmg is allway going to be lower then most its healing allways going to be lower then most etc.. but it lacks major boons such as stealth quickness and resistance that other jack of all trades class get. Ontop of that it lacks any other condtion dmg other then fire and bleed that you see all but one class able to pull off and stronger.

That is where ele is atm a class that is balanced arone it being able to do every thing and yet it cant do every thing. I am starting to think all of the other classes in the game are more jack of all trades then ele atm.