Guild Wars 2

Hi guys! I’m creating this post because I leveled an elementalist to lvl 80 and geared her but I have some questions about my damage, because I feel that I don’t deal any.

I’m using Berserker’s exotic gear wirh ascended trinkets, scholar runes and sigil of force/air. My favourite weapon loadout is D/Wh and I learned qt’s build rotation. So I went to the training golem with Seaweed Salad and Toxic Sharpening Tool but I don’t know if my results are normal, I get ~7’5k DPS without buffs and ~25k DPS with all buffs. Are those great numbers?
I’ve done some fractals and it seems that I don’t do anything, I can die and the boss dies as fast as if I was dealing damage. I feel like I make no difference, and that makes me question about continuing playing ele because I may be bad at it

I know I should practise a lot more, and I really love D/Wh rotation, so, am I doing something wrong?

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

Also don’t take qT benchmarks so serious. They cherry pick their videos through various amounts of RNG, so don’t assume you need to hit their numbers. Also your in exotics and ascended weapons add a sizeable chunk of damage over exotic.

Lastly tempest is a very squishy class in raids and d/wh tends to put you into bad situations to maximize dps. You need to learn the mechanics of the fight more which will allow you to know what you can and can’t get away with as far as maxing dps.

https://youtu.be/Ab5CdXkALoo
Here the rotation (with not all’ buff) , is not hard so look the video and try to copy what the guy does.
Even if you are on exotic Gear your number Can be improved!

pspshadowman.2701:

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

Also don’t take qT benchmarks so serious. They cherry pick their videos through various amounts of RNG, so don’t assume you need to hit their numbers. Also your in exotics and ascended weapons add a sizeable chunk of damage over exotic.

Lastly tempest is a very squishy class in raids and d/wh tends to put you into bad situations to maximize dps. You need to learn the mechanics of the fight more which will allow you to know what you can and can’t get away with as far as maxing dps.

1 if you do low DPS in golem in a raid scenario you do even more DPS, so try to learn better the rotation is a good thing, since higher your dps is in golem higher It Will be on a raid boss/fractals.

2 the fact that d/Wh is a melee weapon set change nothing in the end, since you should stay melee with every weaponset to get heals and buffs.
Stay ranged with staff or scepter is One of the best way to die (cuz no heals from druid, nor distortion from chronos) or to do a poor dps since you are going to miss every buffs

lucadiro.4519:

pspshadowman.2701:

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

Also don’t take qT benchmarks so serious. They cherry pick their videos through various amounts of RNG, so don’t assume you need to hit their numbers. Also your in exotics and ascended weapons add a sizeable chunk of damage over exotic.

Lastly tempest is a very squishy class in raids and d/wh tends to put you into bad situations to maximize dps. You need to learn the mechanics of the fight more which will allow you to know what you can and can’t get away with as far as maxing dps.

1 if you do low DPS in golem in a raid scenario you do even more DPS, so try to learn better the rotation is a good thing, since higher your dps is in golem higher It Will be on a raid boss/fractals.

2 the fact that d/Wh is a melee weapon set change nothing in the end, since you should stay melee with every weaponset to get heals and buffs.
Stay ranged with staff or scepter is One of the best way to die (cuz no heals from druid, nor distortion from chronos) or to do a poor dps since you are going to miss every buffs

Not sure if your adding to what I said or maybe saying Im misguiding the op?

Both the things I think.

FullMetalToast.4918:

Hi guys! I’m creating this post because I leveled an elementalist to lvl 80 and geared her but I have some questions about my damage, because I feel that I don’t deal any.

I’m using Berserker’s exotic gear wirh ascended trinkets, scholar runes and sigil of force/air. My favourite weapon loadout is D/Wh and I learned qt’s build rotation. So I went to the training golem with Seaweed Salad and Toxic Sharpening Tool but I don’t know if my results are normal, I get ~7’5k DPS without buffs and ~25k DPS with all buffs. Are those great numbers?
I’ve done some fractals and it seems that I don’t do anything, I can die and the boss dies as fast as if I was dealing damage. I feel like I make no difference, and that makes me question about continuing playing ele because I may be bad at it

I know I should practise a lot more, and I really love D/Wh rotation, so, am I doing something wrong?

the problem is your are worrying too much about damage meters, outside of raids it dps just doesn’t matter, what matters is that you enjoy playing the style in that you play. Also if you were to wvw/spvp you would be slaughtered each and every time if you tried to do ‘rotations’. Man i hate the influence raids has on this game.

vesica tempestas.1563:

FullMetalToast.4918:

Hi guys! I’m creating this post because I leveled an elementalist to lvl 80 and geared her but I have some questions about my damage, because I feel that I don’t deal any.

I’m using Berserker’s exotic gear wirh ascended trinkets, scholar runes and sigil of force/air. My favourite weapon loadout is D/Wh and I learned qt’s build rotation. So I went to the training golem with Seaweed Salad and Toxic Sharpening Tool but I don’t know if my results are normal, I get ~7’5k DPS without buffs and ~25k DPS with all buffs. Are those great numbers?
I’ve done some fractals and it seems that I don’t do anything, I can die and the boss dies as fast as if I was dealing damage. I feel like I make no difference, and that makes me question about continuing playing ele because I may be bad at it

I know I should practise a lot more, and I really love D/Wh rotation, so, am I doing something wrong?

the problem is your are worrying too much about damage meters, outside of raids it dps just doesn’t matter, what matters is that you enjoy playing the style in that you play. Also if you were to wvw/spvp you would be slaughtered each and every time if you tried to do ‘rotations’. Man i hate the influence raids has on this game.

Wich influence? Try to improved ourself is a bad thing since when? If he doesn’t like to be a dead weight he is right to try to learn better his rotation… Is a good thing and every player that care about PVE should do, not only in raid but even fractals and dungeon.
Then I totaly agree 200% that since it is a game he should play the class he like and the build he like.
But why blame raids if poeple like to improve their rotations.

Raiding is a small fraction of gw2 and no dps rotations is not what pve is all about (rotations!) a lot of the most interesting pve play is reactive not prescriptive, ie not trying to cast 1 then 2 then 5 then 2 then 4 then 2 then 1 then 2 then 5 etc etc etc. Do you think having rotations rote bound into your muscle memory is interesting dynamic gameplay?

vesica tempestas.1563:

Raiding is a small fraction of gw2 and no dps rotations is not what pve is all about (rotations!) a lot of the most interesting pve play is reactive not prescriptive, ie not trying to cast 1 then 2 then 5 then 2 then 4 then 2 then 1 then 2 then 5 etc etc etc. Do you think having rotations rote bound into your muscle memory is interesting dynamic gameplay?

Yes, since perform a good rotation in an actually real encounter (raids, fractals, dungeon) is a reactive thing that Also involve muscles Memory, and is very challenging (aka fun) to adapt it.

And btw have a good muscles Memory is very important also in pvp/wvw even if there you don’t use any DPS rotation.
Some things, like Dodge, use blocks, evades, breack stuns for any good player are Just became passive, since they do it in an automatic way.
When you have to think at what to, you are slow and you get outplayed.
That’s it’s true in video games in the same way it’s true in real Life sports.

“1 if you do low DPS in golem in a raid scenario you do even more DPS”

For your sake I hope this was either a typo or some kind of troll. He will not do more DPS in a real raid setting for 2 reasons. Firstly he won’t have as many buffs and other damage mods as he was testing with all buffs which include assassins presence, glyph of empowerment and depending on stones extra toughness feeding into power. Secondly if he cannot manage a rotation when he has no mechanics to deal with then he’s going to perform poorly when he has mechanics to deal with interrupting what is a heavily rotation based class.

@OP, if you were wanting a DPS class to play in raids and you don’t care about class there’s power engy, condi ranger, condi berserker, guardian and thief which offer high damage for a lot less mechanical skill. If you are committing to ele then you need to understand why you die, if it’s because you get CC’d then hit, down then dead equip arcane shield instead of glyph of storms/elemental power. In fractals if you have certain fractal potions you can change signet of fire to arcane shield, lightening flash or mistform for survival without losing much precision.

As for the golem, make sure you have the following on you:
Quickness, alacrity, fury, 25 might, banner of strength+discipline, empower allies, frost spirit, spotter, sun spirit, 5 grace of the land and food+stones.

Make sure the golem has 25 vulnerability and burning.

Take care to keep moving to keep up seaweed salads 10% modifier, it’s about 2.5k+ DPS you miss out on if staying still. On big targets you need precise usage of skills at certain ranges to get in as many hits as possible so you do a lot of damage; on smaller targets this is only true of lightning orb. Small targets test your rotation mainly, try to break 25k with buffs above on a small 4 million health golem before moving on.

Finally: Practise, lots of it. I remember the first few months of playing ele for me was 90% downed as I was zerk in a time where people can dungeons with PVT/celestial guards. Keep at it if you want to stay with ele, if not other classes offer better rewards for less stress.

lucadiro.4519:

Both the things I think.

Yea not seeing where I gave bad information

apharma.3741:

“1 if you do low DPS in golem in a raid scenario you do even more DPS”

For your sake I hope this was either a typo or some kind of troll. He will not do more DPS in a real raid setting for 2 reasons. Firstly he won’t have as many buffs and other damage mods as he was testing with all buffs which include assassins presence, glyph of empowerment and depending on stones extra toughness feeding into power. Secondly if he cannot manage a rotation when he has no mechanics to deal with then he’s going to perform poorly when he has mechanics to deal with interrupting what is a heavily rotation based class.

No that was a writing mistake. I letteraly wanted to write:
“If you do low dps on golem you do even LESS in raid scenario” meaning that better you learn your rotation on golem, better you do in a real boss scenario.

lucadiro.4519:

apharma.3741:

“1 if you do low DPS in golem in a raid scenario you do even more DPS”

For your sake I hope this was either a typo or some kind of troll. He will not do more DPS in a real raid setting for 2 reasons. Firstly he won’t have as many buffs and other damage mods as he was testing with all buffs which include assassins presence, glyph of empowerment and depending on stones extra toughness feeding into power. Secondly if he cannot manage a rotation when he has no mechanics to deal with then he’s going to perform poorly when he has mechanics to deal with interrupting what is a heavily rotation based class.

No that was a writing mistake. I letteraly wanted to write:
“If you do low dps on golem you do even LESS in raid scenario” meaning that better you learn your rotation on golem, better you do in a real boss scenario.

Fair enough, I agree he needs to practise on the golem. I know people who have hit the 30k mark on a golem but struggle to get even 10k in real raiding scenarios.

pspshadowman.2701:

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

o.0 does this actually make a difference?

OriOri.8724:

pspshadowman.2701:

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

o.0 does this actually make a difference?

It saves you 1-2 seconds of walking backward doing kitten damage with Fire 1, with 1 second of just Burning Speed into Air Auto.

^^ this is what raiding is all about for dps classes, reach the optimal rotation and avoid all form of movement that disrupts the cycle. Movement, lag and human reaction times is the dps killer at a high level.

Catastro.8410:

OriOri.8724:

pspshadowman.2701:

25k with ALL buffs is actually kind of low. Something to remember is being max range to get the most out of Air 5, lining Fire 5 up correctly on large hitbox to get the double ticks, rotate your camera to the top to minimize Fire 3 distance so you can swap back to Air auto attack and still be in range and lastly maximize when your using/picking up conjured weapons and how they fit in your rotation.

o.0 does this actually make a difference?

It saves you 1-2 seconds of walking backward doing kitten damage with Fire 1, with 1 second of just Burning Speed into Air Auto.

I meant did changing the camera angle really change how far you travel with Fire 3? I’m aware that saving seconds allows you to deal more damage