Guild Wars 2

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

If by “worth” you mean being top tier and doing fine in Spvp and raiding then NO its not worth it. Other things can be done by almost any class.

In competitive modes it’s only worth playing if you enjoy having to press 12 times more buttons than other classes to get the same or a lesser result.

If you like support your teammates (with heals, protection and cleans) while providing about 0 DPS then Tempest is the class to go for in pvp.

While in pve is One of the best DPS class

soulknight.9620:

If by “worth” you mean being top tier and doing fine in Spvp and raiding then NO its not worth it. Other things can be done by almost any class.

How is not worth? Tempest is mandatory in every pvp team, and It still is One of the best DPS classes in pve. Are you playing a different game than me?

Its not worth it your going to be piggy hole into a very set way of playing from game type to game type. With the wepon lock the class must deal with ontop of gobble icd / cd your going to find the class lacking. Best to play a class who can play many ways such as a necro eng rev mez .. realy any class but ele your going to have more fun and become a better player over all.

Unless you want to be a heal bot in pvp go with a different class. As for endgame pve our damage is being nerfed to be like all the other classes with nothing to compensate so you would have a much easier time and still do about the same on any other class

Can’t tell you about about PvP, but Ele is still top tier in PvE.

All of its Power DPS variants (Dagger/Warhorn, Scepter/Warhorn, Staff) are much higher DPS than any other class when dealing with a Large hit-box targets (36k-38k). Though, Ele drops quite a bit on damage contribution when you’re up against targets with small/medium hit-boxes (~30.5k). Condi Tempest hits for just over 35k and has a dramatically simpler rotation than that of the current Condi king which is Engi. Magi Ele can trivialize most high pressure fights by camping Water and pushing out close to 2k heals/second (staff auto, soothing mist, regen).

So, I mean, if none of that is appealing to then I guess the class isn’t worth it to you.

savacli.8172:

Can’t tell you about about PvP, but Ele is still top tier in PvE.

All of its Power DPS variants (Dagger/Warhorn, Scepter/Warhorn, Staff) are much higher DPS than any other class when dealing with a Large hit-box targets (36k-38k).

In a perfect world where you make no mistakes, the target doesn’t move, doesn’t hit you , doesn’t make you move/dodge, but neither does it prevent you from moving at all.

In the real world, you have to be very, very experienced with Tempest to match the DPS of other damage dealers, let alone beat it.

Other Power classes suffer from similar restrictions especially when it comes to up-time on the scholar bonus which is why condi is more favorable where the biggest issue there is making sure the boss doesn’t move out of condi fields.

Though there shoudn’t be much of an issue when fighting golem like bosses such as Gorsy and KC.

Ele has a vastly different role in pvp from pve. In PvP, their current main role is support/healing, and any other build is significantly less effective. They’re very good at this role and can be the foundation for a good team, but can become frustrating if you want to experiment with different builds.

In pve they have excellent damage but at a high risk, and good support for their teammates in raids/fractals. Personally, ele has been my main for years and I love it, but maybe you might enjoy something else more. You never know until you try.

savacli.8172:

Other Power classes suffer from similar restrictions especially when it comes to up-time on the scholar bonus which is why condi is more favorable where the biggest issue there is making sure the boss doesn’t move out of condi fields.

Though there shoudn’t be much of an issue when fighting golem like bosses such as Gorsy and KC.

whether condi is favorable or not, depends on the bosses toughness, not scholar.

KC and Gors you’d have to be insane not to run power on.

I would definitely not go ele for pvp reasons. But they are required for a lot of raid content. I don’t know what your current class is. Maybe try rev if you just got HoT recently.

Eles are certainly not “required” for any raid content. That’s to say, you can clear everything without ever having an ele in your squad. You can also clear everything with one, of course.

Feanor.2358:

Eles are certainly not “required” for any raid content. That’s to say, you can clear everything without ever having an ele in your squad. You can also clear everything with one, of course.

You can clear every encounter without any specific DPS class, you can clear every encounter without be in 10 and you can clear every encounter even without chornos and warriors.

lucadiro.4519:

Feanor.2358:

Eles are certainly not “required” for any raid content. That’s to say, you can clear everything without ever having an ele in your squad. You can also clear everything with one, of course.

You can clear every encounter without any specific DPS class, you can clear every encounter without be in 10 and you can clear every encounter even without chornos and warriors.

But unlike the ele, a missing PS or Chrono would require a lot more skill from the players.

To the op: don’t let people influence your choose. If you like ele, and you like master an hard class to play, ele is still optimal both in pvp and end PvE.
In PvE Tempest is still the best choose in fractals as DPS.
Yes we have to say that there are some raid encounter where take ele as DPS is not very optimal (Mursat overseer, Deimos) and other encounter where take ele is Just brainless stupid (cairn, Matthias).
But even in cairn and Deimos you can Just choose to take a magi ecquip and do the kiter role, that is Just good as a revenant is at doing that.
For PvP you have to play a support role since DPS ele (aka fresh air) is underpower vs the powercreep around. But healbot Tempest is the best support class in pvp.

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

Feanor.2358:

Eles are certainly not “required” for any raid content. That’s to say, you can clear everything without ever having an ele in your squad. You can also clear everything with one, of course.

You can clear every encounter without any specific DPS class, you can clear every encounter without be in 10 and you can clear every encounter even without chornos and warriors.

But unlike the ele, a missing PS or Chrono would require a lot more skill from the players.

Yes, and you can change the word “ele” and insert “ANY other DPS class” and you sentence Will not change.

katniss.6735:

I would definitely not go ele for pvp reasons. But they are required for a lot of raid content. I don’t know what your current class is. Maybe try rev if you just got HoT recently.

You can dislike the gamplay ele has in pvp (i really dislike it for example) but ele is still a very good class for PvP , have an healbot Tempest in team is gamechanging? and would be mandatory for every team if we are not forced to solo/duo queue.

If you like ele, play it. I don´t raid but i enjoy ele PvE, PvP and WvW. In PvP i use sage over menders. I think it´s better in the solo/duo setup.

lucadiro.4519:

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

Feanor.2358:

Eles are certainly not “required” for any raid content. That’s to say, you can clear everything without ever having an ele in your squad. You can also clear everything with one, of course.

You can clear every encounter without any specific DPS class, you can clear every encounter without be in 10 and you can clear every encounter even without chornos and warriors.

But unlike the ele, a missing PS or Chrono would require a lot more skill from the players.

Yes, and you can change the word “ele” and insert “ANY other DPS class” and you sentence Will not change.

That’s true. DPS classes are quite interchangeable, however ele is one of the harder to play and while it does have a great dps potential new eles are unlikely to do well. As opposed to, say, new thieves.

That’s why I said to the op “if you like to master an hard class”

Without cele ammy and cleric, eles fell off quite a bit in spvp. It is still the only class I play, though. I have like 10 games on ranger, and 3 on necro or something. Think that’s it. You can get to legendary each season if you want, but it’s not exactly fun (solo queue perspective).

This class requires a lot of practice.. and anet decided to cut it’s damage due to master eles putting out a lot more damage than other classes.

So now you’re stuck doing all those rotations to put out less damage than a guard on big targets who does half the work you’re doing.

I realy love playing ele and this is scepter ele but yes in PvP carrying is very hard if your team is bad. I see so huge diffrences. If i have one or two that actually play knowing there is an ele nearby i usually win all teamfights .. If not my mobility is often not sufficient to carry.

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

In PVE = Yes
In WvW = Uhm kinda…
In PvP = Nope (Every other class will eat you alive)

Anti SJW.8207:

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

In PVE = Yes
In WvW = Uhm kinda…
In PvP = Nope (Every other class will eat you alive)

This is pure disinformation…. You can both like or not the metà healbot Tempest build (I personally hate it) but you can’t say is not Great for PvP while it is mandatory in every team.

lucadiro.4519:

Anti SJW.8207:

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

In PVE = Yes
In WvW = Uhm kinda…
In PvP = Nope (Every other class will eat you alive)

This is pure disinformation…. You can both like or not the metà healbot Tempest build (I personally hate it) but you can’t say is not Great for PvP while it is mandatory in every team.

Mandatory in what teams? The pro league and esports has been dead for 6 months so all you have now is solo/duo where it is 100% not mandatory as you have no idea who you will be with.

I don’t agree every class will eat you alive but ele has some pretty strong counters floating around atm. Most necros will eat an ele with very little issue with even a small amount of LF, condi warrior destroys ele due to excessive daze spam but ele can hold on quite a while vs power. Generally ele is countered heavily by CC spam which is one of the reasons I ditched invigorating torrents for harmonious conduit and pure healing with aura share and careful use of water attunement.

apharma.3741:

lucadiro.4519:

Anti SJW.8207:

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

In PVE = Yes
In WvW = Uhm kinda…
In PvP = Nope (Every other class will eat you alive)

This is pure disinformation…. You can both like or not the metà healbot Tempest build (I personally hate it) but you can’t say is not Great for PvP while it is mandatory in every team.

Mandatory in what teams? The pro league and esports has been dead for 6 months so all you have now is solo/duo where it is 100% not mandatory as you have no idea who you will be with.

I don’t agree every class will eat you alive but ele has some pretty strong counters floating around atm. Most necros will eat an ele with very little issue with even a small amount of LF, condi warrior destroys ele due to excessive daze spam but ele can hold on quite a while vs power. Generally ele is countered heavily by CC spam which is one of the reasons I ditched invigorating torrents for harmonious conduit and pure healing with aura share and careful use of water attunement.

Man even if now we don’t have tournaments it doesn’t change the fact that is from season 2 (or 3 i don’t rember honestly) Tempest has been mandatory for every serious team.
Even now that we only have solo/duo have a Tempest in team is Just gamechanging since his support contribution in teamfight is so High.
To not mention that the viability of class like revenant or necro is totally dependent from have a ele or not in team.
And in the very First moment they Will remove solo/duo you can bet tempest Will again hold a spot in every team.

So since this topic is about someone asking if Tempest is viable or not in pvp and pve no one can say Tempest isn’t viable because is false and you all’ know that.

p.s.: If you are talking about 1v1 I hardly see how a necro, both Power or condi, with low Life Force can eat a Tempest alive and in few second.
Even a condi Warrior alone can’t really down you very Easy, or fast, even if I admit that vs a cWarrior ele has an harder time.
These 2 classes are a good counter for ele only in the middle of a teamfight, where you know, is normal that if the enemy team focus you, you die, if not you would be op.

Ele is strong in PvP. Yes mainly in teamfights. I have problems agaisnt heavy CC warriors but it lasts long. I struggle agaisnt mesmers but they are top 1:1 so be it. Necro is cruel in teamfights agaisnt ele so if the team doesn´t focus necro you die but this is usually the same without ele …

lucadiro.4519:

apharma.3741:

lucadiro.4519:

Anti SJW.8207:

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

In PVE = Yes
In WvW = Uhm kinda…
In PvP = Nope (Every other class will eat you alive)

This is pure disinformation…. You can both like or not the metà healbot Tempest build (I personally hate it) but you can’t say is not Great for PvP while it is mandatory in every team.

Mandatory in what teams? The pro league and esports has been dead for 6 months so all you have now is solo/duo where it is 100% not mandatory as you have no idea who you will be with.

I don’t agree every class will eat you alive but ele has some pretty strong counters floating around atm. Most necros will eat an ele with very little issue with even a small amount of LF, condi warrior destroys ele due to excessive daze spam but ele can hold on quite a while vs power. Generally ele is countered heavily by CC spam which is one of the reasons I ditched invigorating torrents for harmonious conduit and pure healing with aura share and careful use of water attunement.

Man even if now we don’t have tournaments it doesn’t change the fact that is from season 2 (or 3 i don’t rember honestly) Tempest has been mandatory for every serious team.
Even now that we only have solo/duo have a Tempest in team is Just gamechanging since his support contribution in teamfight is so High.
To not mention that the viability of class like revenant or necro is totally dependent from have a ele or not in team.
And in the very First moment they Will remove solo/duo you can bet tempest Will again hold a spot in every team.

So since this topic is about someone asking if Tempest is viable or not in pvp and pve no one can say Tempest isn’t viable because is false and you all’ know that.

p.s.: If you are talking about 1v1 I hardly see how a necro, both Power or condi, with low Life Force can eat a Tempest alive and in few second.
Even a condi Warrior alone can’t really down you very Easy, or fast, even if I admit that vs a cWarrior ele has an harder time.
These 2 classes are a good counter for ele only in the middle of a teamfight, where you know, is normal that if the enemy team focus you, you die, if not you would be op.

Ele has been falling out of favour in PvE except maybe KC since people realised 1) Most average people are terrible at ele pulling 9k DPS even when fully buffed and 2) since the last “balance” patch nerfing ele damage.

I won’t say ele isn’t viable in PvE but you do have to be good with ele to get the high damage they are capable of, compare this to something like D/D power thief which presses 3 buttons, power engy pressing 2 or 3 buttons, condi thief/ranger with a fairly simple rotation.

A necro is a complete counter to ele, always has been and you will always loss to one with even a small amount of LF. I’m not complaining g that there are counters just pointing out that the counters atm are very common especially warriors which allows you to shut down an eles advantage pretty easily. This makes scrapper and druid much more competitive especially when paired with a necro as they both have better ways to deal with classes that are common in solo/duo queue. Ele is not mandatory and it’s easy to deal with or at least I always find them easy to deal with killing them in about 10s and the only reason it takes that long is because of obsidian flesh.

Uh how do you kill ele in 10 sec? I have to play realy careless if that happens to me. In a duel i concentrate i am rarely brought down in less then a minute … Very good necros might do it but even warriors won´t. I die to most good warriors but might drag them over the whole map …

Wolfric.9380:

Uh how do you kill ele in 10 sec? I have to play realy careless if that happens to me. In a duel i concentrate i am rarely brought down in less then a minute … Very good necros might do it but even warriors won´t. I die to most good warriors but might drag them over the whole map …

Don’t lead with headbutt but instead force out dodges with shield 4, swap to GS and use the whirl and rush as they still hit very hard so you can hit headbutt and pretty much leave them with a 3s stun as you wail on them. Power warrior will still burn through an ele very quickly with headbutt into HB landing as much as they can before arc divider, switch to mace and start that daze spam. It all depends on if they try to stay melee or just kite around from the start. If they kite at the start then it takes longer, if they try to fight they will lose easy.

I mean I won’t say I’m playing pro players, I am definitely not but this was mid platinum so they shouldn’t be green about it and should have been on my skill level or there abouts. It’s even easier if you get them without cool downs from a 2v2 becoming a 1v1 but that’s a different story.

OK warrior :-). I play ele main and power war as backup … Yes i know don´t lead with headbut ;-). I have bull rush on the toolbar and don´t use rush to engage i use it after arch divider for a very hard folow up hit. I use taunt on zerk and this is the real killer after they break stun from headbut … I also use boonrip sigil in my sword and open with it to rip stabiltiy or protection … (I use sword for the leap to engage or move faster)
And i see … stupid ele if it tries to stay close to a warrior …
I don´t say i win against a warrior as ele, but i endure quite long kiting. If he uses berserkers stance immidiately and i avoide arch divider i can even win ….

Wolfric.9380:

OK warrior :-). I play ele main and power war as backup … Yes i know don´t lead with headbut ;-). I have bull rush on the toolbar and don´t use rush to engage i use it after arch divider for a very hard folow up hit. I use taunt on zerk and this is the real killer after they break stun from headbut … I also use boonrip sigil in my sword and open with it to rip stabiltiy or protection … (I use sword for the leap to engage or move faster)
And i see … stupid ele if it tries to stay close to a warrior …
I don´t say i win against a warrior as ele, but i endure quite long kiting. If he uses berserkers stance immidiately and i avoide arch divider i can even win ….

Yeah, I can see why you say about not seeing how an ele can die in 10s because you main the class and we take some things for granted like knowing when we aren’t going to win a fight and kite from the start. It’s a shame there isn’t a way to specifically target stability on boon rip on those sigils as it would help counter a lot of things and yeah that taunt is hilarious especially if you go berserk when they’re under 50% health into arc divider. gg no re.

I like hydro sigil with blood for a nice strong follow up by swapping weapon after arc divider or to arc divider but everyone has their preferences.

Blood is one of my favorites. I use blood and force in my GS and nullification and air or generosity in my second set. I don´t swap to often after engagement due to prefering strength over discipline. I engage with a sword leap and often bull rush then swap to GS. I play burst oriented with the +20% damage. So if i catch something in the taunt it´s usualy over. Thiefs are down in two hits the haste and +10% +20% makes me do up to 20k damage in the taunt frame using demolisher amulet and traiting armored assoult over defy pain … If i rip protection from an ele in the opening leap and he´s not too good — splat …
As ele i know i can die in seconds. It´s usualy when i am hit by a boon corrupt from a necro and focused. So kind of coordinated ele destruction. Lazy me = dead. I must swap earth immidiately. For an ele protection is life or death. I can stand a stun but can´t live long without protection.

apharma.3741:

Ele has been falling out of favour in PvE except maybe KC since people realised 1) Most average people are terrible at ele pulling 9k DPS even when fully buffed and 2) since the last “balance” patch nerfing ele damage.

Well… at least it’s less likely to get our playstyles crippled because of wrong perception. Though I still find it insulting a thief can outdps mediocre eles by only autoattacking.

apharma.3741:

Ele has been falling out of favour in PvE except maybe KC since people realised 1) Most average people are terrible at ele pulling 9k DPS even when fully buffed and 2) since the last “balance” patch nerfing ele damage.

I won’t say ele isn’t viable in PvE but you do have to be good with ele to get the high damage they are capable of, compare this to something like D/D power thief which presses 3 buttons, power engy pressing 2 or 3 buttons, condi thief/ranger with a fairly simple rotation.

A necro is a complete counter to ele, always has been and you will always loss to one with even a small amount of LF. I’m not complaining g that there are counters just pointing out that the counters atm are very common especially warriors which allows you to shut down an eles advantage pretty easily. This makes scrapper and druid much more competitive especially when paired with a necro as they both have better ways to deal with classes that are common in solo/duo queue. Ele is not mandatory and it’s easy to deal with or at least I always find them easy to deal with killing them in about 10s and the only reason it takes that long is because of obsidian flesh.

Ele is not falling out of anything, is Just no optimal for cairn, MO, and Matthias. Raid Groups for the First 3 wings are still asking and accepting eles, but Yes now we have some diversity so finally even other classes are viable.
Player that push out 9k DPS with full buff, are not average are Just bad players, since you can push out more DPS even messing up the whole rotation…. If someone push out 9k DPS as Tempest he probably don’t even know any mechanics and never tried his rotation at golem, so he would have a terrible DPS even on d/d thief.
And the fact rangers and thieves have simple rotation doesn’t mean ele is not viable. Harder to play doesn’t mean impossible to play, it Just Need more dedication and effort.

First of all’ lets say that as Tempest you would never 1v1 anyone since your are playing a support build (it’s like pretend to 1v1 with a support guard) where ele actually Excel and nor druid nor scrapper are on pair of it.
Yes reaper and Warrior counter ele, but even that die in 10 sec to a necro or a Warrior is a l2p issue.
And Just since you mention it, druid is way more countered from both reaper and condi Warrior

lucadiro.4519:

Player that push out 9k DPS with full buff, are not average are Just bad players

They aren’t average on skill. They are what you get when pugging, on average.

I guess it shouldn’t even be surprising. Players who are invested enough to become good eventually end up in more or less static groups. There are exceptions to that, of course. Which is why you can sometimes “top-deck” a great pug ele.

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

Player that push out 9k DPS with full buff, are not average are Just bad players

They aren’t average on skill. They are what you get when pugging, on average.

I guess it shouldn’t even be surprising. Players who are invested enough to become good eventually end up in more or less static groups. There are exceptions to that, of course. Which is why you can sometimes “top-deck” a great pug ele.

What you don’t understand is the same player that use ele and push out 9k (with full buffs) would push out the same numbers even on a thief or a ranger.
That low number is not even a problem of rotation, he Just doenst even know wich videogame is playing.

Have a Tempest doing 22k DPS and a cranger is the same party pushing out 26+k DPS is something related ALSO at the rotation’s difficulty.

Trust me 9k DPS is not a problem of hard rotation lol

I’m not convinced on that. I picked a staff thief on purpose, having zero experience on the class and brought it to VG. I was only autoattacking and dodging, nothing more. I didn’t even use utilities. And I was doing 20k+.

OK, well, I’ve been raiding for months and I have some general knowledge of the mechanics. But just how bad can you screw an autoattack chain? You press ‘1’. Then you watch. If a red circle appears, you step out. I just don’t see much potential for being that bad at this.

Feanor.2358:

I’m not convinced on that. I picked a staff thief on purpose, having zero experience on the class and brought it to VG. I was only autoattacking and dodging, nothing more. I didn’t even use utilities. And I was doing 20k+.

OK, well, I’ve been raiding for months and I have some general knowledge of the mechanics. But just how bad can you screw an autoattack chain? You press ‘1’. Then you watch. If a red circle appears, you step out. I just don’t see much potential for being that bad at this.

You see, you Just prove my point.
You actually have your knowledge about VG mecanichs, so you know to Dodge blues, to don’t stand in front of the boss, don’t stand on seekers, and you are keep dpsing the boss.
I mean, on VG you can get 15k + DPS on standard staff Just using AA + lava font.
If someone do 9k DPS on VG means he is constantly getting teleported, stand on seekers, spend most of the time in downstate etc etc.
So is not a rotation problem, they probably don’t even know whats a rotation is.
I mean I saw myself Tempest, cranger and thieves pushing out terrible DPS, but they were failing at mechanics in First place.

As I said, you can only see the difference of harder rotation in terms of DPS only once basic mechanics of the encounter are archived.

Doesn’t change the fact it takes significant effort to beat a no-rotation build after that.

Doesn’t change the fact this post is about ele viability, not the difficult about his rotation.
And ele is viable for everyone that put actually some effort on it.

Who said it was 9k on VG? I mainly see that low number on gorseval when they get blown up by retal and start casting something as a damage field comes up to them either forcing them to move or stop.

I didn’t say it wasn’t viable just that you have to be good to play ele and that’s the point that both Feanor and I are making, you have to do a lot more and the risk is a lot higher on ele than on other classes atm. Look at the D/D power thief rotation and how much damage it can do, it is actually 3 buttons for the entire thing, no long casts, no channels just stand behind and press 3 buttons. This is why they are dropping out of favour and this is why I would never ever ask someone to bring ele unless they were known to me.

apharma.3741:

Who said it was 9k on VG? I mainly see that low number on gorseval when they get blown up by retal and start casting something as a damage field comes up to them either forcing them to move or stop.

I didn’t say it wasn’t viable just that you have to be good to play ele and that’s the point that both Feanor and I are making, you have to do a lot more and the risk is a lot higher on ele than on other classes atm. Look at the D/D power thief rotation and how much damage it can do, it is actually 3 buttons for the entire thing, no long casts, no channels just stand behind and press 3 buttons. This is why they are dropping out of favour and this is why I would never ever ask someone to bring ele unless they were known to me.

Doing 9k DPS on gorseval prove even more my point. This is not a problem related to Tempest, you are talking about someone that has 0 knowledge of the encounter.
As you said, he was dieng to reta , got Black fields and stoped to dpsing. And probably he got Also all’ gorseval’s Smash.
I’m Wondering wich DPS you expect from someone like this, for sure he would have pushed out around 10k dps even on cranger, so again is not a rotation’s complex issue, probably he was using his skills without any logical sense.
Also people still have to realize that Tempest, and any other Power class, lose tons of damage by doing the slow cc strat at gorseval, and if you have 4 Tempest in your squad you have better chance to phase him (without use updraft) by insta cc.

I’m well Aware about differents difficulties of rotation’s execution between the classes. But again, it doesn’t prevent Tempest viability. Everyone that enjoy the class and put some effort in it can make it viable.

Then you are free to complain about the fact is not fair thieves have a comparable dps with easier rotation, I don’t care about this discussion.
I would maybe want to point out that at least they are both viable while there classes like necro that have more difficult to find Groups and class like revenant that are not wanted at all.
But since this post is about ele viability I stop here.
I Just find hilarious, and this is why I’m writing, that there are people trying to say Tempest is not viable in pvp and pve, while it is still One of the best classes to go.

Tempest might not be popular from playstyle and ele ist more difficult then other classes but it´s not garbage and i enjoy it.

zoopop.5630:

been away for a year, looking for a new class to main for PvP arena/advance Pve. Is this class still consider great or no go?

So about pvp…

Many will say that metabuild d/f mender healbot build is absolutely mandatory in higher tiers…and yea they are right…it’s mandatory to make proper competitive comp in 5 MAN PREMADE…and right now guild wars 2 doesn’t support this really well…it’s dead. So we should talk right now only about ranked…and this is not fun story.

Basically ele or tempest in pvp only exists because necro sustain and rev condi clear doesn’t exists, so your rotation on the map is based what those two do and if they suck…you know rest of story. Rev and Necro (condi necro to be precise) has some extreme godly class synergy with tempest, auras and they can make you feel really powerful . So if you have necro duo buddy or godly rev friend (godly because literally every rev from gold to bronze in this game are trash and fail at killing anything)…you can go duo and have some fun.

As for solo q things gets ugly. Random necro/rev might use crappy build, rotate you in hellzones or fail at killing simple things and you keep useless player alive. Other class just don’t need you:

-war has good sustain and likes be to outnumbered – he stay on far and doesn’t care about you.
-scrapper/druid has great sustain and they love to outnumbered – they doesn’t need you.
-mesmer/thief – +1 classes that don’t have any value in helping you in 1v1 cause have no damage and they don’t spend to much time in teamfights or 1v1 so you are useless to them.
-DH…who cares.

Sustain against some classes in 1v1 is not that bad and you can try to let yourself to outnumbered against some classes and builds like scrapper, druid or DH but it not really your job and you kinda can’t push/contest far as you have lone freekill necro in your team.

Mechanically speaking tempest hellbot feels easiest build in the game. I didn’t noticed my skill impact till i started understand benefits of condi necro duo and then it started to be interesting. Overall it’s boring play style.

So in short:

Great and important in 5-man premade.
Fun and powerfull in condi necro duo.
Solo ranked → you have more fun and important things to do in pve.

Side note: yea there are scepter dps builds and staff builds (i personally love staff in pvp/wvw) out there…and they suck…anet dosen’t care to make them better…just go healbot…for good or worse.

lucadiro.4519:

apharma.3741:

Who said it was 9k on VG? I mainly see that low number on gorseval when they get blown up by retal and start casting something as a damage field comes up to them either forcing them to move or stop.

I didn’t say it wasn’t viable just that you have to be good to play ele and that’s the point that both Feanor and I are making, you have to do a lot more and the risk is a lot higher on ele than on other classes atm. Look at the D/D power thief rotation and how much damage it can do, it is actually 3 buttons for the entire thing, no long casts, no channels just stand behind and press 3 buttons. This is why they are dropping out of favour and this is why I would never ever ask someone to bring ele unless they were known to me.

Doing 9k DPS on gorseval prove even more my point. This is not a problem related to Tempest, you are talking about someone that has 0 knowledge of the encounter.
As you said, he was dieng to reta , got Black fields and stoped to dpsing. And probably he got Also all’ gorseval’s Smash.
I’m Wondering wich DPS you expect from someone like this, for sure he would have pushed out around 10k dps even on cranger, so again is not a rotation’s complex issue, probably he was using his skills without any logical sense.
Also people still have to realize that Tempest, and any other Power class, lose tons of damage by doing the slow cc strat at gorseval, and if you have 4 Tempest in your squad you have better chance to phase him (without use updraft) by insta cc.

I’m well Aware about differents difficulties of rotation’s execution between the classes. But again, it doesn’t prevent Tempest viability. Everyone that enjoy the class and put some effort in it can make it viable.

Then you are free to complain about the fact is not fair thieves have a comparable dps with easier rotation, I don’t care about this discussion.
I would maybe want to point out that at least they are both viable while there classes like necro that have more difficult to find Groups and class like revenant that are not wanted at all.
But since this post is about ele viability I stop here.
I Just find hilarious, and this is why I’m writing, that there are people trying to say Tempest is not viable in pvp and pve, while it is still One of the best classes to go.

What was the point in everything after the gorseval part as I clearly said I wasn’t saying ele is not viable and only that you have to be good at it for it to be competitive in PvE?

As for gorseval, the retal is per hit which is why it’s easier to die to retal as an ele, you should know this and I find it weird you completely ignore this fact. You won’t have this problem on many of the other DPS classes as they don’t have excessive number of hits in their rotation. Also as I say ele has some pretty long cast skills, you can’t cast meteor or you have to interrupt it if a mechanic requires you to dodge like black or more commonly the slam attack. No other class has such a big part of their DPS tied to such a long rooted channel. So I can understand how these people get low damage and they would do much more on other classes where you essentially press 1 button for 20k+.

I think the OP has the right to know whether he’s going to have to put in a fairly decent amount of work to match what other classes do as well as the pitfalls of the class.

@Mr Godlike, very good and accurate review.

Wolfric.9380:

Tempest might not be popular from playstyle and ele ist more difficult then other classes but it´s not garbage and i enjoy it.

That the thing they made it op like most of the elite spec that the only reason why its not garbage. They gave tempest too much dmg when it should be nearly a pure tankly support class. They effectually killed the core class by making a ele +1 out of tempest. There is nothing specialization about tempest.