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Posted by: Anierna.6918

Anierna.6918

I just finished making a vid of the new meta rotation for Ele, shown below:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeRhQ40ckQ4
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I haven’t yet updated my guide with the info shown in the vid, but I’ll get on that in the next few days (Sunday at the latest).

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Posted by: Axelifus.3269

Axelifus.3269

Pugs or organized parties?

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Posted by: Anierna.6918

Anierna.6918

Pugs or organized parties?

That’s an odd question to ask. By definition, you can’t go zerk unless the entire group is zerk – if they’re all in PVT/clerics and noob healing specs, and you’re in zerk and maximum DPS spec, chances are good that you’ll be downed/dead a lot since fights will last FAR too long.

I’ve been practicing this build in guild runs today, and it works perfectly. Maximum group DPS, very fast runs. I’ve also been pug’ing with it, and it works great as well – although I force the pugs to ping gear and weps and type out their trait distribution, and I /kick if they’re not in metas for their respective classes, so it’s not “real” pug’ing. No shout-heal wars, clerics guards, GS mes’s, or necros/engis/rangers, for example =D

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Posted by: Axelifus.3269

Axelifus.3269

Thanks for answering.

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Posted by: Star Ace.5207

Star Ace.5207

No shout-heal wars, clerics guards, GS mes’s, or necros/engis/rangers, for example =D

Intolerance is nothing to be all “smiley” about, quite honestly. You are not even considering that some Ranger builds can bring specific utilities that aren’t replicated by any other Profession. It’s perfectly OK to speedrun, to be sure, but that was unnecessary.

That’s what you get for blindly following metas, I suppose.

And that’s why I avoid speed runners-ignorance is running rampant on those groups because people tend to watch youtube videos and not inquire by themselves on the truths of the matter (or explore the game without letting others tell you how to play it.)

I have nothing against the build itself, I am sure it works GREAT, but there was no need to belittle other players on your post due to playstyle differences. The fact is that you are not better than them, no matter what you may believe.Yyou just play the game differently, which is FINE-there’s no need to claim playstyle superiority, which would be a mere illusion.

Play how you want, but let others play how they want. Goes both ways.

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Posted by: Star Ace.5207

Star Ace.5207

Don’t take offense, but I am not in the same page with you. I like DPS builds on certain character concepts and Professions, but I allow other things too, because people are free to choose, as they do in anything in real-life. You have the right to exclude players who play “for fun” (which you seem to be against) to be sure, but don’t expect me to agree with such philosophy-your way is not the best way, nor the sole way to enjoy GW2 (indeed you HAVE fun doing what you do, but other players have fun playing the way they do-it doesn’t make you superior.)

Also, there’s no prize in amassing gold for me. Fast or slow, it doesn’t matter. Of course nobody likes to spend forever on a Dungeon. But with good, experienced players, that will never be the case, even if they are in supposedly “sub-optimal” builds. Thus, my ultimate goal is just playing the game and having fun, which you seem to despise (isn’t it selfish to pretend that people must see things our way and no other way will work? I have no problem with your way of playing the game, why do you have problem with people playing “for fun” as you state it, and must be insulting towards them?)

(Of course it is easier to play with Warriors since they are tons easier to play than a Ranger-it doesn’t make the Ranger “bad” for Dungeons, and even you know it, so I feel there’s no need to single out Professions, much less assume people must be “noobs” for playing, say, a Ranger.)

On topic, the build is good for speedruns-let’s agree on that, and agree to disagree on everything else.

I didn’t mean to insult you, but I won’t stand for people being insulted for not playing the way you have chosen to enjoy GW2-your way is pretty valid, and so is theirs.

I do not mean to troll, so feel free to ignore if this post upsets you-as I said, I like the build, but intolerance doesn’t mesh well with my personality, even in a game, and I think we are very different types of people who will never agree on the latter, so let’s keep it peaceful.


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Posted by: Solo.9027

Solo.9027

OP: good rotation and I largely agree with your pugging philosophy but I don’t agree with using boon duration runes if you just use it to might/fury stack in pve. The real place those runes make sense is PvP where you are extending at least 3-4 boon types and then thats even primarily for survival.

The second round of might stacking even shows you still had like 30 seconds of fury still leftover that will probably just go to waste in a party situation.


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Posted by: nickiehu.1674

nickiehu.1674

Build looks interesting, but I would rethink the runes… At least for my taste. Might try it out.

But to be honest, I really hope you tried out the all the classes you consider noob-style (and you should be atleast a mid-well playing gamer), since you think you are able about judging some1 else’ build or how he/ she plays, even though you don’t know him/ her.
If you just want pure DMG, fine, go with it – it’s your right, but to say “I exclude Engis, Rangers etc just because they are noobs!” is pretty hilarious. I saw videos where rangers killed lupi faster than a mesmer/ warr group. I had a fractal-group with 4 rangers, that was faster (about 20 min) than the warr-guard-etc group (was a competition we made just for fun and because ppl always complain about rangers).
I could say more about the classes you consider noobish, but that would be to much I guess.
I would just suggest you look for a dungeon-group you can permanently run dungeon – than you always knows what to expect and nobody gets insulted. But that’s, well, just an idea…

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Posted by: Dub.1273

Dub.1273

With persisting flames and S/F, you can get two claps into your fire field without using your heal. With using your heal, you can only get one in. Since the heal does close to no damage, you’re better off not using it. It makes the whole thing easier, though.

However, boon duration runes are a rather bad choice in PvE. You’re dishing out perma fury anyway and the might stacks last for 22 out of 25 seconds. 3 seconds dowtime of might instead of a 20% personal dps increase.
Also, when using a build with 30 air (not fresh air), you’re better off switching to air instead of fire, when 8 charges are left.

Aside of that good demonstration.

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Posted by: Anierna.6918

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@ Dub: I tried it w/o the heal, but I can’t get 2x LH blasts in the field. I can only get 2x blasts in if I ditch either Magnet Wave or Comet. Meaning, if I wanted 2x LH blasts, I’d need to do one of the following rotations:

Dragon’s Tooth > Flamewall > Phoenix > Arcane Wave > Water Atune > Comet > Summon LH > 2x LH Chains in field

Dragon’s Tooth > Flamewall > Phoenix > Arcane Wave > Earth Atune > Magnetic Wave > Summon LH > Water Atune > 2x LH AA Chains in field

In both cases, I’m only giving out 18 might – whereas with the rotation in the vid, I’m giving out 21 might. Seems kind of obvious to me to me that the vid’s rotation is preferable. The other thing is that, in a proper group, everyone’s spamming embers, so every single one of my LH AA chains will blast in a fire field anyway.

I used Boon Duration runes in the vid because I was doing it solo, so there were no external fire fields from Ember spamming/ guard utilities/ warrior LB/ a second ele. In the guild runs I did with the build, I used Scholars instead, and I was still able to maintain perma 25 might. When I was pug’ing, though, I used Boon Durations like in the vid because pugs are too noob to give me fire fields.

I swapped to Fire when there were 8 charges left because I spec’ed into the +10% dmg while in fire (I think I showed that in the trait selection clip). Originally, I had used a 0/20/25/25/0 build with a dmg modifier in Air, and I was swapping to Air at 8 charges in that build, but with the 30/10/10/20/0 in the vid, it’s better to go Fire. You get increased damage from: your last 2x LH chains, Dragon’s Tooth, Flamewall, Phoenix, and Arcane Wave. Also, going straight from dropping your LH to using Dragon’s Tooth, since you’re already in Fire Atune, helps to speed up the rotation.

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Posted by: Zelyhn.8069

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Obviously you would do more damage without comet.

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