So has anyone else noticed it? You can now be feared, immobilized, and stunned while in mist form. As if they hadn’t nerfed mist form enough already. Nice job Anet.
well its a totally useless skil now. you’re no longer an invulnerable mist. You can still have status effects applied to you while in mist form. Time to ditch it for good and use arcane shield now I guess
I haven’t notice this since I rarely have to use mist form if it is not for stomping or escaping from a Zerg attacking me. Could be bugged and not really intended maybe?.
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Is there a profession that has been hit by the nerf bat as hard or as much as the ele since launch? This might be a bug, but it seems like someone really doesn’t want the ele to be good for anything.
Note – It’s still good for anything for the most part.
Sylvari Elementalist – Mystree Duskbloom (Lv 80)
Norn Guardian – Aurora Lustyr (Lv 80)
Mia A Shadows Glow – Human Thief (Lv 80)
Is there a profession that has been hit by the nerf bat as hard or as much as the ele since launch? This might be a bug, but it seems like someone really doesn’t want the ele to be good for anything.
Note – It’s still good for anything for the most part.
Since beta, don’t forget we had our damage on the sceptre reduced by a metric lot. Though auto attacking people to death in air was brokenly fun
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All that I know about is that:
-Staff air #2 = instant
-Staff air #5 = larger and 3 seconds stun
-Lower cooldowns(?)
-Some autoattacks were less underwhelming (?)
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So has anyone else noticed it? You can now be feared, immobilized, and stunned while in mist form. As if they hadn’t nerfed mist form enough already. Nice job Anet.
Hmmmm.
Perhaps it’s a combination of multiple things because I’m not getting feared when in mistform…
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Maybe its just a bug then? WvW is buggy as hell anyway so I wouldn’t be surprised if they messed something up there. It’s happened to me on more than one occasion too, so it isn’t just an isolated incident.
I have never ever seen anyone get immobilized, feared nor stunned while in mistform. But I sure have seen people get immobilized right before you mist form, and I sure have seen people get Launched and use Mist form during the flying animation, thus staying lying on the ground.
Mist form does not remove conditions by default and breaks stuns, not fear. So I wouldn’t be suprised if the fear continues affecting just like many other conditions.
So has anyone else noticed it? You can now be feared, immobilized, and stunned while in mist form. As if they hadn’t nerfed mist form enough already. Nice job Anet.
chillout guys, it’s obviously a misunderstanding, Arena Net just never noticed the tooltip for Mist Form was wrong:
next patch:
Tooltip has been corrected for Mistform Skill, now it is: "Morph into a non invulnerable, vaporous mist for a brief time. "
All that I know about is that:
-Staff air #2 = instant
-Staff air #5 = larger and 3 seconds stun
-Lower cooldowns(?)
-Some autoattacks were less underwhelming (?)
Meteor Shower did almost twice as much damage with shorter cooldown. Scepter Air AA was ridiculously powerful. I think I got it to 5k in one channel in spvp in non-zerker gear. Dragon’s Tooth hit much harder. Scepter water #2 hit faster, harder and shorter cooldown.
Basically, if it had gone live, ele would be doing well over twice the damage of a zerker warrior with almost any weapon set.
I have been immobilized while in mistform in WvW, and I was wondering why it happened (I was running in mist, then I wasn’t).
Also, stun-breakers also break fear, so there is 0% chance mistform should get fear.
I do agree with kodiak, it is best to take armor of earth now.
Mist as far as I`m aware has always been able to be immob`d, but not stunnable. No idea why theye think a cloud of **** would be stoppable ;p
I have had it recently where mist form I got chilled/slowed, never had that before.
All that I know about is that:
-Staff air #2 = instant
-Staff air #5 = larger and 3 seconds stun
-Lower cooldowns(?)
-Some autoattacks were less underwhelming (?)
Staff air 5 also stunned people where it was summoned, but was bugged so it would daze instead :/
Scepter air auto attack could kill people without needing other skills
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I was just in wvw, and can confirm 100% that you can be stunned and cc’d while in mist-form. I am not really sure what the point of the ability is. It is worse than the warrior’s endure pain now in just about every way. There is no reason to take this over either arcane shield or armor of earth now.
Well I just found out that vapor form, our only useful downstate skill, has been nerfed even worse than mistform. You are vulnerable to ALL conditions while in vapor form. Looks like the whining thieves who refuse to bring any utilities that wont stealth them or do tons of damage finally go their way. This class has become a total joke at this point. We always had the lowest survivability of all the classes, yet they keep making it worse and worse to appease the morons who refuse to use all the abilities available to their classes to bring us down even though we’ve always been forced to use everything at our disposal just to be sub par and survive. As crappy as mistform is now, they might as well put it on a 20 sec cooldown. Because the way it is now, its not worth taking over any of our other utilities unless it was somewhat spammable. I wonder what ability of ours they’ll complain about next when we all stop using mistform. I can just see it now. “when I spam 2 over and over I keep dying on arcane shield! nerf it please, it’s OP!”
I haven’t been in WvW too much recently, so I haven’t experienced this personally as of yet. That new farm has just been too crazy. (100g in two days FTW)
Invulnerability never made us immune to previously applied conditions, this is not a nerf.
If what BlackBeard says is true however, we can start whining!
I didn’t mean previously applied conditions. You can have new conditions applied to you in vapor form. Being nailed by torment and fear while in vapor form just about to go back into a keep and then dropping dead an inch away from the portal sucks balls.
Invulnerability never made us immune to previously applied conditions, this is not a nerf.
If what BlackBeard says is true however, we can start whining!
Yea, I was ok with prior conditions still ticking, it makes sense they don’t fall off. Getting stunned (I believe it was skullcrack or shield bash), immob, crippled, etc while in mistform – a state where we can use absolutely NO abilities completely destroys the usefulness of the skill. I wouldn’t be suprised if the next change was just to make mistform immobilize us as well.
It is really sad how far they are going to completely grind this class into the ground. They were absolutely VICIOUS in breaking everything that made the bunker and other eles survivable. We are now weak to conditions, weak to stuns, weak to burst (always have been), and weak to real bunker specs. All that we do well is burst, which will be nerfed b/c we are not allowed to be in the top 3 at anything. Jack of all trades means you are pretty good at everything. We are below-average (bottom 3) at everything but burst healing and burst damage with fresh-air.
This is very true. Tested it today in a couple of duels against necros and warriors. I might actually change it for another utility if this is intentional and not a bug. Then again I’m completely sure this is just a temporary bug just like how it happens with many other skills across all professions then Anet fix it so… don’t panick!
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posted something about it in the bug forums. Hopefully you’re right and it isn’t intentional. the way it is now it’s just a “kill me faster” button since it locks you out of all your skills and no longer protects you.
I am sitting on a about a 100 laurels b/c I am not comfortable finishing my ascended trinkets on my ele knowing we will not be par for months. We will probably be continually nerfed for another couple months, because they run about 3 months behind the meta. We were still pretty good before the June patch, so more nerfs should be incoming though this month, and maybe next depending on the actual speed of their changes.
There is just not much point playing this class anymore beside the fun of bashing 4 times more button than other classes. They’ve unbalanced it. My new ranger is dealing way more damage with the great-sword just bashing a few keys, it has a bigger health pool, and its traits aren’t even optimized yet nor is he equipped with ascended gear.
This is very true. Tested it today in a couple of duels against necros and warriors. I might actually change it for another utility if this is intentional and not a bug. Then again I’m completely sure this is just a temporary bug just like how it happens with many other skills across all professions then Anet fix it so… don’t panick!
Hi, did you test it in WvW or PvP? I just tested it in PvP. Warrior Burst Mace Stun and Necro Fear Wall doesn’t work on Mist Form and I’m still invulnerable.
If you tested it in WvW, it might be a bug (let’s hope it’s not a nerf )on PvE settings.
This is very true. Tested it today in a couple of duels against necros and warriors. I might actually change it for another utility if this is intentional and not a bug. Then again I’m completely sure this is just a temporary bug just like how it happens with many other skills across all professions then Anet fix it so… don’t panick!
Hi, did you test it in WvW or PvP? I just tested it in PvP. Warrior Burst Mace Stun and Necro Fear Wall doesn’t work on Mist Form and I’m still invulnerable.
If you tested it in WvW, it might be a bug (let’s hope it’s not a nerf )on PvE settings.
Yea it was in WvW, I don’t spvp anymore. I think it got fixed because during the 2 hours I was roaming tonight I was constantly using mist form in the middle of the enemy big Zerg to prevent get in combat and wp. I should have at least get stunned while many of the enemies kept trying to kill me. I’ll test it again tomorrow.
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Yeah I think it got fixed, there was a small patch earlier. I was getting CC’ed last night and I remember my guardian guildies saying they were able to CC eles using Hammer(Ring of Warding) and Staff (Line of Warding). I thought I was just lagging like usual until my guildies pointed it out.
Been playing WvW for some time today, haven’t been interrupted in mist form stomping yet.
There is just not much point playing this class anymore beside the fun of bashing 4 times more button than other classes. They’ve unbalanced it. My new ranger is dealing way more damage with the great-sword just bashing a few keys, it has a bigger health pool, and its traits aren’t even optimized yet nor is he equipped with ascended gear.
Honestly I don’t see the problem with playing multiple characters.
Really it’s all a matter of how much you want to invest into them. On my Ele I have Ascended gear, max backpack slots, 20 slot bags, perma gathering tools and like 5-6 sets of gear. This is compared to my other dudes who all have one set of exotic gear and some 15 slot bags.
All the classes are going to have their ups and downs. You may be down on your Ele now but who knows how you’ll feel about it in 6 months from now.
There is just not much point playing this class anymore beside the fun of bashing 4 times more button than other classes. They’ve unbalanced it. My new ranger is dealing way more damage with the great-sword just bashing a few keys, it has a bigger health pool, and its traits aren’t even optimized yet nor is he equipped with ascended gear.
Honestly I don’t see the problem with playing multiple characters.
Really it’s all a matter of how much you want to invest into them. On my Ele I have Ascended gear, max backpack slots, 20 slot bags, perma gathering tools and like 5-6 sets of gear. This is compared to my other dudes who all have one set of exotic gear and some 15 slot bags.
All the classes are going to have their ups and downs. You may be down on your Ele now but who knows how you’ll feel about it in 6 months from now.
Most of the problems come from people negative thoughts. Even irl small issues are made huge by these sort of thinking.
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Seriously elem is and will be the only call I want to play, but now I feel so inferior compare to other class in every way. Anet just try to put us in a situation where elementalist are not using any cantrip anymore. I consider to have a refund of the game because I don’t like my class with all this nerf who put me in a situation where my class is inferior in every aspect of the game compare to the others. We were balanced 4 patch ago not anymore.
Most of the problems come from people negative thoughts. Even irl small issues are made huge by these sort of thinking.
I think the other major issue is people go into classes with expectations of how it’s going to play and what they expect/want from a class even if it was never really designed to perform that way.
I’ve made a lot of classes. I like most of them for their own various reasons, but I always end up coming back to the Ele because it has everything I want in a class instead of 1 or 2 things.
The fact that we can be immobilized is fine. Every class can be immobilized while invulnerable. But being able to be stunned and feared? How is invulnerability suddenly worse than stability?
Also, do other classes still take condition damage while invulnerable?
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I think the other major issue is people go into classes with expectations of how it’s going to play and what they expect/want from a class even if it was never really designed to perform that way.
I’ve made a lot of classes. I like most of them for their own various reasons, but I always end up coming back to the Ele because it has everything I want in a class instead of 1 or 2 things.
It’s actually the opposite in my case, I was playing the Ele for months, and the nerfs just broke my playing style. For other people that didn’t play my way perhaps the nerfs passed unnoticed. But healing in mist form and changing to daggers (I was playing mostly staff) to travel faster with RTL are things I was doing every 2 minutes. Going to mistform and seeing for the first time my healing ability gone (and also my elite summons) was a huge letdown for me, so was the RTL range and cd.
Imagine they just decided that in the next patch the Guardian gsword 4th skill would take 1 minute to recharge and the range would be limited to 300 instead of 600: You would always hit the skill because your used to it (by reflex) and nothing would happen, then you would have to wait 3 times what you waited before to use it again: it’s just not cool.
So I looked into this, and I thought it was fixed. Are you still seeing it? Where are you seeing it? What’s getting through? Keep in mind that condition damage will still tick, but NEW condies should not be able to go through.
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I am pretty sure I was knocked down by Guardian’s Line of Warding while in Mistform (not Vaporform!), three days ago (not sure if there were any patches that might have fixed this). This happened only once and it was in WvW. I have never been stunned/knocked/feared in sPvP while using Mistform.
Also, the Mistform probably works fine most of the time, even in WvW (or for most CC skills), because otherwise I should be stunned WAY more often while “Mistforming” away from enemy zerg.
I am pretty sure I was knocked down by Guardian’s Line of Warding while in Mistform (not Vaporform!), three days ago (not sure if there were any patches that might have fixed this). This happened only once and it was in WvW. I have never been stunned/knocked/feared in sPvP while using Mistform.
Also, the Mistform probably works fine most of the time, even in WvW (or for most CC skills), because otherwise I should be stunned WAY more often while “Mistforming” away from enemy zerg.
I think it’s more the stability aspect of it than the mist form itself. I was fighting the champion of the whirling blade earlier today, I put up armor of earth and he fired a knockdown skill at me. At that point I was immobilized until my stability wore off and then the attack hit me to knock me down.
Is there a profession that has been hit by the nerf bat as hard or as much as the ele since launch? This might be a bug, but it seems like someone really doesn’t want the ele to be good for anything.
Note – It’s still good for anything for the most part.
Thieves and eles have definitely been hit the hardest.
That said, if you enjoy ele, play it in WvW. Only some of the nerfs were implemted there and it is still quite strong.
So I looked into this, and I thought it was fixed. Are you still seeing it? Where are you seeing it? What’s getting through? Keep in mind that condition damage will still tick, but NEW condies should not be able to go through.
Since we can no longer cleanse conditions in mist form I think it’s a bad idea to let them still tick. Even if it does not remove the conditions it should at least prevent the damage.
So I looked into this, and I thought it was fixed. Are you still seeing it? Where are you seeing it? What’s getting through? Keep in mind that condition damage will still tick, but NEW condies should not be able to go through.
Since we can no longer cleanse conditions in mist form I think it’s a bad idea to let them still tick. Even if it does not remove the conditions it should at least prevent the damage.
So I looked into this, and I thought it was fixed. Are you still seeing it? Where are you seeing it? What’s getting through? Keep in mind that condition damage will still tick, but NEW condies should not be able to go through.
Knockbacks and knockdowns like guardian hammer 5, lupicus dome, guardian staff number 5 etc. still go through. Sometimes I’ve got the fealing that you are still effected by spectral wall and mesmer focus 4 as well, there I’m not quite sure.
After you already nerfed mistform so extremly hard it’s just getting ridiculous that we are still getting effected by conditions. We can’t do a kitten being in mistform and are still damaged? Sense? Can absolutly agree with
Since we can no longer cleanse conditions in mist form I think it’s a bad idea to let them still tick. Even if it does not remove the conditions it should at least prevent the damage.
So I looked into this, and I thought it was fixed. Are you still seeing it? Where are you seeing it? What’s getting through? Keep in mind that condition damage will still tick, but NEW condies should not be able to go through.
Since we can no longer cleanse conditions in mist form I think it’s a bad idea to let them still tick. Even if it does not remove the conditions it should at least prevent the damage.
Engineer’s Elixir S works the same way (and all the other Invulnerabilities, I think), so you would have to change them aswell.
I stopped using mistform when it was acting strange and started using armor of earth. I noticed that’s acting buggy as well. Same problems as with mistform. Someone messed something up really badly. Don’t know if its a problem with the class, or a problem with WvW, but it’s really annoying to say the least. Oh and armor of earth is no longer a stunbreaker. Got nailed with shield bash, popped armor of earth, and stood there stunned.
