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Yep, they are now. I can’t find any of my elites useful now except in very particular situations. Thanks, ANet, 10/10 challenging PvE content after the FGS nerf.

The earth ele can be used to tank occasionally in PvE quite surprisingly well (most recently tanked 49 fractal Mossman for full duration, keeping him stationary). The water ele can also provide a wonderful heal for stacks. But yes, I would happily trade these situational elites for something legitimately useful.

Exactly, it’s so extremely situational that it even kittenes me off. The fire ele does kitten damage, the water ele does nothing pretty much, air is wtf?! and earth can only be used as a meat (rock) shield. And what’s even more annoying is that when you tell them to use whatever kitten spell they have, it’s bloody channeling so it will interrupt whatever channel you’re currently doing.

Bluefox.9580:

The earth ele can be used to tank occasionally in PvE quite surprisingly well (most recently tanked 49 fractal Mossman for full duration, keeping him stationary). The water ele can also provide a wonderful heal for stacks. But yes, I would happily trade these situational elites for something legitimately useful.

That because agony doesn’t deal damage to pets.
That means most Attacks in fractal won t scrap any pet.

You know you can keep 3 squishy phantasms alive for Whole fights in fractals?

The water heal is so slow to be almost useless.

From an spvp perspective they are pretty bad. I often sacrifice my elemental elite at the beginning of the match to gives necros life force and then just use fiery greatsword for mobility.

When someone is against a wall Fiery Greatsword can still be great even with just the #3. I hit a downed opponent and his rezzer for 9k each with the #3 on a celestial amulet. Probably had nearly 25 might stacks. Very situational though.

If elementalists were given any kind of consistently good elite it would be extremely overpowered (in spvp), though.

i think the elemental is a pretty nice elite, since you can control his burst now, but all things considered, in comparison to spirit of nature or res banner, plague/lich form, it stinks.

Why do our elites suck so bad?

tanztante.6532:

i think the elemental is a pretty nice elite, since you can control his burst now, but all things considered, in comparison to spirit of nature or res banner, plague/lich form, it stinks.

I was the elemental attack that we can control was instant cast.

In elementals, I tested:
- On all elementals, you must be on combat to cast their skills (cannot cast while entering in combat);
- Need a target;
- Water ele takes years to activate (really, not kidding, more than 5 sec);
- Air ele can miss and take too long to activate;
- The only one that worth a little bit for me is fire ele. (but not worth overal)
(not tested earth ele)

I always used Glyph build and was exiting with the changes, but I’m REALLY desaponted with the elemental elite. It was the best elite for my play style, but now Mistfire wolf is the way to go for me.

I hope that at least they change to what was before. Was 100% better than now.

Most elites are crap, what else is new?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most elites are crap, what else is new?

10/10 would laugh again.

winterchillz.2564:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most elites are crap, what else is new?

10/10 would laugh again.

Maybe you’d like to enlighten me as to what engineers, guardians, rangers, and necromancers have that are actually worth using as something other than an afterthought then.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

winterchillz.2564:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most elites are crap, what else is new?

10/10 would laugh again.

Maybe you’d like to enlighten me as to what engineers, guardians, rangers, and necromancers have that are actually worth using as something other than an afterthought then.

Supply Crate can win a fight
Renewed Focus can turn a fight in your favor
Entangle can turn a fight in your favor
Rampage as One gives 20 seconds of stability
Spirit of Nature can revive allies twice in its lifetime
Lich Form can snipe people for over 8k in a power build

You were saying?

We’re talking about PvE here right?

Supply Crate is a single blast finisher with massive CD
Renewed Focus is useless
Entangle is okay I guess but not worth the elite slot
Rampage as One is a really minor DPS boost not worth the elite slot
If your allies are dying enough for Spirit of Nature to need to res twice you need to find a new party
Lich Form is decent, too bad the class isn’t

Machspeedtwo is clearly talking about pvp.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

winterchillz.2564:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Most elites are crap, what else is new?

10/10 would laugh again.

Maybe you’d like to enlighten me as to what engineers, guardians, rangers, and necromancers have that are actually worth using as something other than an afterthought then.

I like your way of thinking – other classes have kitten elites so we shouldn’t complain that ours are kitten now too.

I’ve never played an engi so I can’t comment on theirs, but I’m quite sure that Renewed Focus, Tome of Wrath, Rampage as One and Entagle in certain situations as well as Lich Form (dont belittle the class) are at better standing than our FGS right now.

Or maybe I should just camp Tornado all day long, kitten, Lupi you ain’t knocking me back, bud.

They were never that good in the first place. Best is Greatsword so you can “cya” to guys kicking your butt and when you just gotta go fast.

In PvE and Dungeons the Glyph is good instead of the nerfed FGS.
I looked at the Elementals the last few days and as long as u target something they attack 95% of the times.
Its not much but at least a little DPS-Increase.

And: The Fire Ele uses the Flame Burst Skill of The Lesser Elemental meaning: 3 might which is nice for Might-Uptime especially when PUGing.
Also the WaterEles active is nice for some Bosses who stack many Bleeds(Mai Trin and SE p3 first boss).
Air and Earth are useless, but u wanna use Fire Ele at most Bosses anyway(not the active though).

Only thing im missing is a “To Me” and “Attack” Command like with Rangers Pet for some encounters (sometimes they kitten up the pull).

Btw Mikau: what did they change except giving an Active effect which u dont have to use?

“Also the WaterEles active is nice for some Bosses who stack many Bleeds(Mai Trin and SE p3 first boss).”

Water ele elite doesn’t condi cleanse.

Lord of Ownledge.9682:

In PvE and Dungeons the Glyph is good instead of the nerfed FGS.
I looked at the Elementals the last few days and as long as u target something they attack 95% of the times.
Its not much but at least a little DPS-Increase.

And: The Fire Ele uses the Flame Burst Skill of The Lesser Elemental meaning: 3 might which is nice for Might-Uptime especially when PUGing.
Also the WaterEles active is nice for some Bosses who stack many Bleeds(Mai Trin and SE p3 first boss).
Air and Earth are useless, but u wanna use Fire Ele at most Bosses anyway(not the active though).

Only thing im missing is a “To Me” and “Attack” Command like with Rangers Pet for some encounters (sometimes they kitten up the pull).

Btw Mikau: what did they change except giving an Active effect which u dont have to use?

I only do WvW and the new Elemental are bad becouse:
- I need to cast their skills (no other summon is like that);
- they take a whole year to activate, after I cast (there is no control on them becouse of that). Count the seconds to water Ele heal then you’ll see;
- You need to be in combat to cast;

Those are the major problems with the new elementals.

Bluefox: the Water Ele DOES take 1 Condition from u wtih the active heal. Try it if u dont belive me.

Mikau: I thought u used the Glyph before the patch, if u dont use the 2nd abilities, isnt it same as back then? or are the new activable skills, attacks which the elementals used on their own before patch? didnt use it before FGS nerf so i dont know it ^^

The problem is you can’t have control on what takes years to activate. The only one that’s worth to use, in my opinion, is the fire ele. At least before, I didn’t need to cast their skills.

If they wants to give control on them, they should remove all restrictions on their use as well, like be in combat.

In reference to title: yes they are. Period. Maybe not UP, but at least not interesesting.

Ele elites are just sad. Elites are suppose to be game changing in pvp, nothing game changing about ele elites. How many of those that pvp with an ele would prefer a utility slot over the current elites, I bet 90% atleast. I know I would in a heartbeat. The dumbest part is the fact that it takes so much more effort to play an ele well in pvp than most classes. Talk about High risk, what reward

To use your elite to run….. You do know that it is suppose to be an elite right?! Just face it, ele elite is garbage compared to other classes.

For the pve side of the house, does it really take that much skill to kill brainless AI? Its fun but the skill level is so different.

Mikau.6920:

In elementals, I tested:
- On all elementals, you must be on combat to cast their skills (cannot cast while entering in combat);
- Need a target;
- Water ele takes years to activate (really, not kidding, more than 5 sec);
- Air ele can miss and take too long to activate;
- The only one that worth a little bit for me is fire ele. (but not worth overal)
(not tested earth ele)

I always used Glyph build and was exiting with the changes, but I’m REALLY desaponted with the elemental elite. It was the best elite for my play style, but now Mistfire wolf is the way to go for me.

I hope that at least they change to what was before. Was 100% better than now.

Elite elementals attacks aren’t just way too long to happen once called, unlike a F2 pet skill for the ranger they interrupt your channeling. I can’t cast a meteor and order my elemental to use it’s skill without breaking my action. This is pretty underwhelming considering how lackbuster the skill is even if it was not interrupting anything.

I’d seriously trade my elite slot for an utility slot without any hesitation. Ele elites are not elites.

Idk, you can ummm, errrr, pretend your elemental is doing massive DPS?

I’m pretty sure that anyone that doesn’t agree that ele’s elites are pathetic is either trolling or doesn’t play ele tbh.

It’s not even debatable— there’s legitimately nothing good about them other than having rocky for soaking up projectiles, or using FGS to skip trash mobs with a 3 minute cd.

They are not that great but every thing else ele has is on the same level as elites.

FGS – good damage though FGS 4 doesn’t seem to have received it’s damage buff.
Tornado – situational though synergises well with Lightning Rod.
Glyph – negligeable damage though the Ice ele has a massive heal on a short CD. They generally feel very clunky. The 3/4 self cast time for their abilities is particularly annoying.

Most professions have this problem of having not very good elites.

I don’t mind the nerfs, but the elemental glyph elite is broken. It’s not what anet intended so I guess they will eventually fix it. They initially want to help us so we can use it to prioritize spikes or defensive measures like heals and stomps. But the lack of programing capabilities lead to this down fall aka error or bug causing this to interrupt our skill. I’m sure after 3-4 months of intense discussion they will either correct the error, or revert the elite or do nothing and state it was a for seen buff. But I doubt they will ever use three, give it some time guys.

You waited forever for them to revert healing in spvp…

Jski.6180:

They are not that great but every thing else ele has is on the same level as elites.

Hahah you’re kittening kidding.

They oughta make the elementals attack trigger instantaneously and out of the global cooldown ( sort of like some utilities and auras, which are instant and dont interrupt other abilities)
and that would make them decent i think.

I think we need one more elite. All our leets are pets or skill bar replacements.

I would like an elite that doesn’t fall under pet or skill replacement.

A signet would be awesome. I think a cantrip would be too much (cantrips are already super popular). An arcane elite would be interesting all well.

There are a few topics already (although some rather old now) that are “how would you design a new elite for ele”. Those are worth bumping.

I wonder if they’ll ever introduce the rumoured Signet of Arcana, or any of those elites.

Ref: http://pastebin.com/e9276EXr

New elites in 3014…

I’ll settle with just small current-elite tweaks, but we know how the design is… it’s never going to be a slight change to stabilise the situation.

Most likely we’ll wait a few more months for 1 new elite for each class and expanded traits + drastic trait and weapon skill tweaks.

I’d like to see an Arcane elite, but the Signet one seems cool too, in line with the Guardian’s class-mechanic themed Renewed Focus. Recharge attunements, temporary reduced weapon skill CDs, all seem viable.

Waisenpai.6028:

I don’t mind the nerfs, but the elemental glyph elite is broken. It’s not what anet intended so I guess they will eventually fix it. They initially want to help us so we can use it to prioritize spikes or defensive measures like heals and stomps. But the lack of programing capabilities lead to this down fall aka error or bug causing this to interrupt our skill. I’m sure after 3-4 months of intense discussion they will either correct the error, or revert the elite or do nothing and state it was a for seen buff. But I doubt they will ever use three, give it some time guys.

You waited forever for them to revert healing in spvp…

Yes, it should be a cast time for the elemental, not the player. Just like ranger’s pet and necro’s minion.

I’d also suggest to change some skills:
Fire: Swap active skills with Lesser Elemental
Water: Cure condition and increase the radius to 360
Air: Insta-cast
Earth: Replace cripple for weakness (5s)
All: Reduce the time between activation and action.

New elementalists elite skill suggestion:

Re-roll a warrior.

I would love for tornado to be changed. So instead of turning into one, you can summon it, similar to Trillia Midwell’s. They must already have a similar skill, since she does it.

Or a ‘Signet of Arcana’, not sure what the Passive/Active would be.

You would think they are done breaking our class but never, more game-breaking nerfs are coming.