Out of combat, no CD on Attunements?
starting fight with 25might, 5min regen, switness and prot wouldnt be an issue ?
Tempest seems made careful not to make ele better in any way, since that would be bad
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It does the job well :-)
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It does the job well :-)
Elemental Attunement wouldn’t be a problem, put an 8 secs internal cooldown on each attunement to proc EA again, problem solved.
Fresh air would be the same.
Well since they will make attunement cd to 8,5sec if you take elemental attunement and no more everything from 12sec to 12sec-30%, you can in fact put an ICD. But you’ll have to wait for the spec to be released ^^
Tempest seems made careful not to make ele better in any way, since that would be bad
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It does the job well :-)
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It does the job well :-)
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
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1 word: NO.
100% OP.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Engineers are giving up a utility slot to get the quasi-weapon swap though. Sure they also get a corresponding Toolbelt utility, but that’s their class mechanic: secondary utility that is a reduced version of their slotted utility. That’s the balance for them. For Ele’s we effectively have 4 weapon swaps by default and still have access to our utility slots. Some of our utility slots also swap effects based on our attunement such as the Storm Glyph. Being able to swap attunement at will similar to kits would be too broken.
Even then you have Attunement specific effects (Stab on Earth, Heal on Water, Lightning bolt on air, etc) that would be proccing like crazy with out revising those effects as well.
Ultimately it would also take away from some of the counter-play. Take for instance PvP, if an Ele just hopped out of Water you know he’s locked out of a few of his healing/cleansing spells. If he’s hopping out of Fire/Air and jumping into Earth/Water you know he’s opting for recovery rather that DPS (generalized example).
Anyways, we digress.
In regards to the OP’s suggestion I’m kinda at the middle point. I can see no CD on out of combat attunement solving the frustration of fat-fingering your attunements, but as a seasoned Ele I can think of the havoc of combos I could unleash if I could hop between all my attunements at will pre-fight.
Engineers are giving up a utility slot to get the quasi-weapon swap though. Sure they also get a corresponding Toolbelt utility, but that’s their class mechanic: secondary utility that is a reduced version of their slotted utility. That’s the balance for them. For Ele’s we effectively have 4 weapon swaps by default and still have access to our utility slots. Some of our utility slots also swap effects based on our attunement such as the Storm Glyph. Being able to swap attunement at will similar to kits would be too broken.
Even then you have Attunement specific effects (Stab on Earth, Heal on Water, Lightning bolt on air, etc) that would be proccing like crazy with out revising those effects as well.
Ultimately it would also take away from some of the counter-play. Take for instance PvP, if an Ele just hopped out of Water you know he’s locked out of a few of his healing/cleansing spells. If he’s hopping out of Fire/Air and jumping into Earth/Water you know he’s opting for recovery rather that DPS (generalized example).
Anyways, we digress.
In regards to the OP’s suggestion I’m kinda at the middle point. I can see no CD on out of combat attunement solving the frustration of fat-fingering your attunements, but as a seasoned Ele I can think of the havoc of combos I could unleash if I could hop between all my attunements at will pre-fight.
If you count all skills available to both classes, it’ll be pretty close. Hence why I said they would have to put ICD on all attunement swap procs.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Have fun. Be Alive. K Thnx Bye.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Yes, which revolves around damage from attuning to air, they could simply put some ICD on it and you could still play it. For the record, I never said I think they would ever decide to go this way. Just that I think it could help open a diversity of builds for ele and it wouldn’t impossible to balance.
And this game is not balanced around 1v1’s.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Yes, which revolves around damage from attuning to air, they could simply put some ICD on it and you could still play it. For the record, I never said I think they would ever decide to go this way. Just that I think it could help open a diversity of builds for ele and it wouldn’t impossible to balance.
And this game is not balanced around 1v1’s.
Yes and ele also has more team support than engi, how fair.
Have fun. Be Alive. K Thnx Bye.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Yes, which revolves around damage from attuning to air, they could simply put some ICD on it and you could still play it. For the record, I never said I think they would ever decide to go this way. Just that I think it could help open a diversity of builds for ele and it wouldn’t impossible to balance.
And this game is not balanced around 1v1’s.
Yes and ele also has more team support than engi, how fair.
How could you have more support when you actually trait for damage? Ele goes full in support lines.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Yes, which revolves around damage from attuning to air, they could simply put some ICD on it and you could still play it. For the record, I never said I think they would ever decide to go this way. Just that I think it could help open a diversity of builds for ele and it wouldn’t impossible to balance.
And this game is not balanced around 1v1’s.
Yes and ele also has more team support than engi, how fair.
How could you have more support when you actually trait for damage? Ele goes full in support lines.
Engi doesn’t have competitively viable support because other classes do it better. when your support build is also strong enough that it can win most 1v1s and is still considered a support build? Seems more like a support and 1v1 spec with the only drawback being how fast you can kill foes, not your 1v1 capabilities to get powerful team support its not really specifying into pure support is it? It’s specifying into self sustainability. I have already given my suggestions on how to deal with the boon circus meta.
Have fun. Be Alive. K Thnx Bye.
I wouldn’t actually mind having no CD (in practice 1 sec) on attunements even during a fight, it’s not really different from kits as long as there is ICD on all attunement swap procs.
This would be a horrific idea in terms of balance, it makes it harder to predict when you use the swap traits, removes freshair entirely ( this is currently the only non tank spec that is remotely viable on an ele ), and gives elementalists availability to any of their extremely powerful abilities at any time ( providing they aren’t on cd). It also removes all the flavor of playing an elementalist over other classes like engineer. As a mid – higher tier spvp player I strongly recommend that your idea is not added.
@OP mabye if you added a phrase to elemental attunement like when in combat.. but that would weaken elementalists out of combat mobility and adding a cd weakens freshair specs access to swiftness which is important to a glass light armor build with few escape utlities.
Ele is balanced around having long cooldowns unlike engi, yet they have almost as much skills as ele. I don’t see it as an issue elementalist would have an access to a 50 second cooldown at any given time assuing it’s off cd. Being less predictable and based on roations would actually be good for ele and it would also improve the gameplay as you wouldn’t be able to spam attunements on cooldown, but rather keep track of them. It wouldn’t remove fresh air, it would just take a bit more thinking to play the spec, it would probably also allow a better counterplay to the spec. They would have to add a icon or something to let you know when your fresh air is offcooldown, making it be less ‘’instant kitten’’. Seeing as ele has issues with survability, allowing them to manage cooldowns better would be one way how to help this and not force everyone into the same trait lines.
Fresh air is the trait that recharges air attunement on hit. And elementalists abilities are balanced far differently from engineer abilities. This is why and elementalist has a fairly even time in a 1v1 against and engi.
Yes, which revolves around damage from attuning to air, they could simply put some ICD on it and you could still play it. For the record, I never said I think they would ever decide to go this way. Just that I think it could help open a diversity of builds for ele and it wouldn’t impossible to balance.
And this game is not balanced around 1v1’s.
Yes and ele also has more team support than engi, how fair.
How could you have more support when you actually trait for damage? Ele goes full in support lines.
Engi doesn’t have competitively viable support because other classes do it better. when your support build is also strong enough that it can win most 1v1s and is still considered a support build? Seems more like a support and 1v1 spec with the only drawback being how fast you can kill foes, not your 1v1 capabilities to get powerful team support its not really specifying into pure support is it? It’s specifying into self sustainability. I have already given my suggestions on how to deal with the boon circus meta.
And ele doesn’t have competitively viable power build because other classes do it better.
I like the idea removing attunement cooldowns and instead putting icd on attunement swap traits. This seems totally fair to me.
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I like the idea removing attunement cooldowns and instead putting icd on attunement swap traits. This seems totally fair to me.
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