Guild Wars 2

Laugh now, and give me gold when it happens. Staff eles will be the new fotm after April 15th.

Yes, bunker staff eles will be unstoppable. Gj you can read ready up notes, you are amazing.

Where do the Ready Up notes get published all in one place btw? I’m probably just being stupid and failing to read the obvious forum thread but any help would be appreciated.

Coulter.2315:

Where do the Ready Up notes get published all in one place btw? I’m probably just being stupid and failing to read the obvious forum thread but any help would be appreciated.

https://www.google.ca/#q=dulfy+gw2+ready+up+notes

There you go.

Uhtameit.2413:

Coulter.2315:

Where do the Ready Up notes get published all in one place btw? I’m probably just being stupid and failing to read the obvious forum thread but any help would be appreciated.

https://www.google.ca/#q=dulfy+gw2+ready+up+notes

There you go.

Ah ofc Dulfy has it. Might be a thing for the Official Forums to have an official release of the notes too in a sticky which would be good too. Thanks

Anet probably doesn’t want to publish the notes because they know it will be terrible and so they are probably waiting till release date when all the QQ generated will be drowned out by the positives.

They are quite predictable in that respect.

back to topic

We can all agree that bunker will be nice thanks to the new trait, but personally, I would rather have zero specs that a million bunker spec.

silvermember.8941:

We can all agree that bunker will be nice thanks to the new trait, but personally, I would rather have zero specs that a million bunker spec.

I do agree with this…. I am wondering though if the staff ele meta will be more towards bunker or GC. Right now I haven’t run into a top 1000 PvP staff ele that is anything other than GC. Will be interesting to see.

Staff ele will most assuredly be a thing, and may challenge guardians for mid-bunker role (they have lots of advantages, and some weaknesses in comparison). That being said, we’ll have to see what happens.

Luckily, its not possible to take cleansing water, stone heart, and elemental attunement all at the same time.

I don’t think an ele will be OP, but I think if played well it will compete for certain roles.

with the ally healing buffs, get ready for teams of 4-5 eles standing on 2 nodes the entire game sustaining the shiz out of each other. it’s gonna be fun on a bun. (not)

rhycochet.5268:

with the ally healing buffs, get ready for teams of 4-5 eles standing on 2 nodes the entire game sustaining the shiz out of each other. it’s gonna be fun on a bun. (not)

Hahaha, then 1 build that can decap will come along and knock them off-point and eventually hold it. The stand around 1v2 or 1v3 b/c they won’t be able to kill anything. This will allow focused bursts that 1-shot these healers and snowball the match horribly against them.

I don’t think that is something you have to worry about.

funny that, being the most op decap build is getting hit by the bat as well. i won’t cry if staff ele goes the route of hambow, at this point it’ll just be interesting to see

BlackBeard.2873:

rhycochet.5268:

with the ally healing buffs, get ready for teams of 4-5 eles standing on 2 nodes the entire game sustaining the shiz out of each other. it’s gonna be fun on a bun. (not)

Hahaha, then 1 build that can decap will come along and knock them off-point and eventually hold it. The stand around 1v2 or 1v3 b/c they won’t be able to kill anything. This will allow focused bursts that 1-shot these healers and snowball the match horribly against them.

I don’t think that is something you have to worry about.

2 healing Elementalists, 2 healing Engineers and 1 decap Engineer, gg.

I still don’t know what will make staff ele OP in patch? 20% more healing to allies, everyone can put sigil that do same as that grandmaster trait, don’t forget that everyone except ele and engi geting big buff in sigils that will work now without shared CD and all classes can have 4 except ele and engi.
Stone heart can prevent some crit, but you still take normal dmg and condition, ele with low armor and low hp can’t just take dmg and stand in earth.

The only question will be if it’s 0/10/30/30/0 or 0/0/10/30/30…

#elepocalypse

I’m just loling at all the zerker warrior bros not complaining at their nerfs “cuz warrior is too ez right now”

Have fun being irrelevant for another year…

well if if its true they suffered for too long getting trained by everything

Netko.9271:

I still don’t know what will make staff ele OP in patch? 20% more healing to allies, everyone can put sigil that do same as that grandmaster trait, don’t forget that everyone except ele and engi geting big buff in sigils that will work now without shared CD and all classes can have 4 except ele and engi.
Stone heart can prevent some crit, but you still take normal dmg and condition, ele with low armor and low hp can’t just take dmg and stand in earth.

It means elementalist wont be as hard countered by thief and it also increases survivability by virtue of having less damage. It has nothing to do with that terrible healing skill trait and more to do with the removal of the nerfs to traits. In any case the bunker ele would be in a better place on april 15 than before. This is all theorycrafting so it might not worked as planned.

Staff ele =best anti condi support/bunker or best healing in game but lower condi group cleanse or best selfish tank against direct damage and decent condi cleanse
Then zerker staff getting 2 sigils and some stoneheart in there is also insane aoe.It only needed to not drop immediately by theives and now it wont
And finally ALL tanky dps builds ,non gc getting major boost so there will be ele bruisers again and stone heart will shut down dps from on crit condi users as well.:P
Even gc are gettin buffed although mildly compared tot he rest.And of course lyssa wont give stability.
If ele isnt back strong in the meta i dont know how it could be.Not to mention that while they are finallyreverting the icd on cleansing water ..they also forgot they added a regen on crit trait and upcoming regen on water trident

I dont think though they ll be 1 build to rule them all.There are a lot of stuff that are major improvements over current choices. Id say the bunker/support builds are gonna be the ones that ll pop up first and get used cause they are the easier and safer.But im not conviced they ll be the better to come out of the upcoming mess anet is gonna cause with the patch!

Avead.5760:

Staff ele =lower condi group cleanse

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Rain

+ Cleansing Water

Sorry, what?

Uhtameit.2413:

Avead.5760:

Staff ele =lower condi group cleanse

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Rain

+ Cleansing Water

Sorry, what?

Yeah thats why i put an “or” inbetween there.. i meant if you go with ~45% more outgoing healing kind of build with new gm instead of cleansing water which is for me at least a pretty valid choice for some of cases.You can always swap them before match anyway.
My point of the post was that its not staff ele that will be stronger than beforebut all kinds of ele for several kinds of role..that is compared to the stuff the other classes seem to get or .. lose

Avead.5760:

Uhtameit.2413:

Avead.5760:

Staff ele =lower condi group cleanse

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Rain

+ Cleansing Water

Sorry, what?

Yeah thats why i put an “or” inbetween there.. i meant if you go with ~45% more outgoing healing kind of build with new gm instead of cleansing water which is for me at least a pretty valid choice for some of cases.You can always swap them before match anyway.
My point of the post was that its not staff ele that will be stronger than beforebut all kinds of ele for several kinds of role..that is compared to the stuff the other classes seem to get or .. lose

isn’t it +25% outgoing healing via the GM trait? I’m guessing you’re counting Rune of The Monk probably too. It’s the way to go anyway, I guess.

The monk and the new sigil although i dont know how much that ll give.I assume itd be 10%. Assuming that im doing it right in my head atm..with max in spvp healing power your outgoing regen and soothing mist would be number really near the 800 .
The trait is actually a major boost in healing power espesially for heals that scale really really low like water blast finishers. Without it to heal as much you d have to get unachievable even in pve amounts of healing power.Actually just picking it on a zerkers staff with jsut 300 hpower will turn your outgoinghealing into the one of a normal clerics ele. Now get two of these eles and a guardian for mroe condi cleanse in htere and let them have the power of a thousand healing signets :P

I’ll take OP staff eles over OP warriors any day.

Staff ele is a much more complex class to play than pretty much any warrior build (especially one that never needs to hit the heal button).

I expect that if there is an imbalance with eles, that it will hit the upper tier players much harder than the lower tier players.

The thing with staff ele is that it ll never be an amazing bunker.
Thats s/d ele and it was really ridiculous back then. But staff..it cant 1vs1 effectively cause its slow and unreliable and has weaker defense mechanism that other sets.
If you see the staff ele from apex team playing you can see how hard its to even fight for him solo a hambow warrior without losing the node to the point of thinking why playing this build..And a moments later you see him ressing a guy to full with the glyphs water effect and then coordinating with his team the blasts on his water fields,his might stacking and his cc,sharing prot etc.Thats amazing gameplay to me.
Support in gw2 is non existant and more healing without increasing the users self sustain is exactly what the game needs.
The game needs a build that is weaker than every other bunker to take down but at the same time has bigger inpact than all of them. I dont know if this will be achieved or another monstrosity of endless self sustain and condi clear will be added to all the pre existing kitten.. but its worth the try.Staff in general is the hardest weaponset to achieve skill cap imo for the ele.After spending countless hours playing s/f fresh air (which is for some reason considered one of the hardest specs) i found extremely more difficult to effectively direct my damage and cc with staff to a target.But thats me ..other people see it as spamming more aoes :/

Won’t Sc/D bunker be possible to run again now? Signet of Restoration and Cleansing Water are all it really needs, right?

Proven.2854:

Won’t Sc/D bunker be possible to run again now? Signet of Restoration and Cleansing Water are all it really needs, right?

Old signet was bugged.Not many people are aware of it but the big nerf wasnt the 20% less healing. It used to heal you 5 times just for casting earth 2 ,2 times or even 3 when dodging with evasive arcana. If you calculate how much that healing was..well its insane
This isnt coming back.Also rtl and its reset potential alongside the use of ether renewal while using mistform arent coming back either.But some far bunker will probably emerge perhaps with new stoneheart and cleansing water.As long as it isnt super fast while tanking 2 people and being able to decap it wont be anything more than annoying.. Also the current close point defenders are in several ways stronger than the older ones. A bunker s/d ele could literally kill an average mesmer with the fire elem out eventually and would definately force him to leave node ,but it cant kill a todays mm necro,warrior,spirit ranger for sure or even force a decap against them

Proven.2854:

Won’t Sc/D bunker be possible to run again now? Signet of Restoration and Cleansing Water are all it really needs, right?

Edit: Yeah, what Avead said :P whole bunch of other nerfs happened too.
Also a decap Engi will be hell for a bunker Ele, since stability is... hard to get at.
0/0/20/30/20 is likely to become standard for it, maybe Boon runes if there’s a good set of them available.

While I’m looking forward to seeing more Staff Eles around, I’m really hoping we aren’t getting overbuffed into becoming flavour of the month and OP - I don’t think I could handle getting flamed with "l2p a balanced class noob" directly after so many months of "just reroll you stupid ele".

Avead.5760:

Proven.2854:

Won’t Sc/D bunker be possible to run again now? Signet of Restoration and Cleansing Water are all it really needs, right?

Old signet was bugged.Not many people are aware of it but the big nerf wasnt the 20% less healing. It used to heal you 5 times just for casting earth 2 ,2 times or even 3 when dodging with evasive arcana. If you calculate how much that healing was..well its insane
This isnt coming back.Also rtl and its reset potential alongside the use of ether renewal while using mistform arent coming back either.But some far bunker will probably emerge perhaps with new stoneheart and cleansing water.As long as it isnt super fast while tanking 2 people and being able to decap it wont be anything more than annoying.. Also the current close point defenders are in several ways stronger than the older ones. A bunker s/d ele could literally kill an average mesmer with the fire elem out eventually and would definately force him to leave node ,but it cant kill a todays mm necro,warrior,spirit ranger for sure or even force a decap against them

I do know about that issue, but I’ve also seen some people experiment with Signet of Restoration as it is now and find it still pretty strong even if squarely in the underpowered range. Even with the less overall healing I think increasing the healing to current PvE levels is enough to bring it back. But maybe not as bunker build…

Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3

Staff ele is op already. nuff said

butch.8136:

Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3

I wouldn’t be making shopping plans for a new staff just yet, with arenanet anything can happen.

silvermember.8941:

butch.8136:

Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3

I wouldn’t be making shopping plans for a new staff just yet, with arenanet anything can happen.

Eh, the skin can also be used on Necro, Guard or Mes, it’s not like it’d be a waste if it was only played on the Ele for a week.

cheese.4739:

Proven.2854:

Won’t Sc/D bunker be possible to run again now? Signet of Restoration and Cleansing Water are all it really needs, right?

Edit: Yeah, what Avead said :P whole bunch of other nerfs happened too.
Also a decap Engi will be hell for a bunker Ele, since stability is… hard to get at.
0/0/20/30/20 is likely to become standard for it, maybe Boon runes if there’s a good set of them available.

While I’m looking forward to seeing more Staff Eles around, I’m really hoping we aren’t getting overbuffed into becoming flavour of the month and OP – I don’t think I could handle getting flamed with “l2p a balanced class noob” directly after so many months of “just reroll you stupid ele”.

I agree with everything mentioned here.

I still think the meta will be more towards GC damage dealers than bunkers. Ranged damage + better survivability. It will be interesting to see how things play out.

cheese.4739:

silvermember.8941:

butch.8136:

Guess I’ll have to find myself a pretty staff for my ele. <3

I wouldn’t be making shopping plans for a new staff just yet, with arenanet anything can happen.

Eh, the skin can also be used on Necro, Guard or Mes, it’s not like it’d be a waste if it was only played on the Ele for a week.

you are taking what I said too literal.

S/D bunkers will be totally broken again imo.

Aside the fact that they used to heal 2-3 times the normal thx to signet bug, we’re forgetting that soothing mist has been changed to regen every 10 secs.

No ICD on cleansing wave + soothing mist+ dwayna runes= ridicolous cleansing capabilities, and they’re even adding regen to trident ( and reducing armor of earth CD so won’t be really mandatory to bring CD reduction trait).

Eles back then were not only able to contest a point vs multiple opponents for ridicolous amount of time, they were also godly in teamfights ( condi removal, heals, boon stacking) now they will really be able to come back and become the ultimate support class, perfectly fitting bunker guards.

Sigh…

Mrbig.8019:

S/D bunkers will be totally broken again imo.

Aside the fact that they used to heal 2-3 times the normal thx to signet bug, we’re forgetting that soothing mist has been changed to regen every 10 secs.

No ICD on cleansing wave + soothing mist+ dwayna runes= ridicolous cleansing capabilities, and they’re even adding regen to trident ( and reducing armor of earth CD so won’t be really mandatory to bring CD reduction trait).

Eles back then were not only able to contest a point vs multiple opponents for ridicolous amount of time, they were also godly in teamfights ( condi removal, heals, boon stacking) now they will really be able to come back and become the ultimate support class, perfectly fitting bunker guards.

Sigh…

OMG support, is that suppose to be a good thing?

So what, you can tie down their Ele and Guard on one point with a condi-bunker applying pressure (because yeah, full support Ele + bunker Guard probably won’t be able to take that down) then outnumber their team at the other two points? Or if their ’ultimate defense group’ moves away to try and help out other points, it’s a pretty easy backcap?

Sure, S/D could get to be powerful outside of FAir, but it’s unlikely to be anything like as broken as the old D/D bunkers - and definitely not as horrible as the current mess that is hambow/decap/pistolwhip.
A powerful support build will only be useful with allies, and if at all balanced won’t be able to apply any pressure on its own.

Also remember: every profession is getting changes this patch, along with all runes and sigils. New builds might turn up, old builds might resurface... but it’s in a completely different meta.

We just have to hope that, should anything turn out to be game-breakingly strong, it gets shaved quickly and regularly until it’s in line with everything else.

Avead.5760:

The thing with staff ele is that it ll never be an amazing bunker.
Thats s/d ele and it was really ridiculous back then. But staff..it cant 1vs1 effectively cause its slow and unreliable and has weaker defense mechanism that other sets.
If you see the staff ele from apex team playing you can see how hard its to even fight for him solo a hambow warrior without losing the node to the point of thinking why playing this build..And a moments later you see him ressing a guy to full with the glyphs water effect and then coordinating with his team the blasts on his water fields,his might stacking and his cc,sharing prot etc.Thats amazing gameplay to me.
Support in gw2 is non existant and more healing without increasing the users self sustain is exactly what the game needs.
The game needs a build that is weaker than every other bunker to take down but at the same time has bigger inpact than all of them. I dont know if this will be achieved or another monstrosity of endless self sustain and condi clear will be added to all the pre existing kitten.. but its worth the try.Staff in general is the hardest weaponset to achieve skill cap imo for the ele.After spending countless hours playing s/f fresh air (which is for some reason considered one of the hardest specs) i found extremely more difficult to effectively direct my damage and cc with staff to a target.But thats me ..other people see it as spamming more aoes :/

I am glad some people can see the fact that a Staff elementlist doesn’t need to wait until the 15th to be considered “OP” The team members of Apex and I have helped shape the way some PvPers view a staff ele. I have had multiple people claim I am a bunker which is absurd seeing as I have barley and toughness and vitality but regardless some mind sets cannot be changed. I run a support Elementalist and I have been playing ele since this game has been in beta I have watched this class prosper and now that it is down in the dirt the PvP team of Apex and I have proven many times in skrims Vs. some of the top teams in NA such as GF and vVv who have some great/respected PvPers in North America that an elementalist without the April 15th patch Staff ele still holds a spot at the top. But with the future patches to come Elementalist will be more available and is going to be seen on many teams due to its changes.

With this all being said I want all gw2 players to know staff elementalist is possible to play in a high caliber with or without the changes to come, it all takes practice. I have some VoD’s of the staff ele game play on my twitch channel for those who are interested, Twitch.tv/Chubbsz.

Why not 30/30/10/0/0? Get some blind on burn, burn on crit, arcane skills for max crit, weakness on interrupt. It’ll be fun, promise!

I’m personally going to make the weirdest possible build and then learn it well enough to steamroll with it.
Zerker gear, 30 (either persisting or blinding)/0/30(stone heart ofc)/0/10(renewing stamina or arcane cd reduction)
Probably energy sigil+battle and maybe divine runes, will have to see new runes though.

Switch to earth on incoming burst and turn everyone’s zerker dps into soldiers. It will be hilarious.

With that stone heart. I might be over hyping it but usually when running staff you get a bunch of zerkers trying to dive you. Best of case now you can actually survive until help comes your way.

elprimo.4398:

With that stone heart. I might be over hyping it but usually when running staff you get a bunch of zerkers trying to dive you. Best of case now you can actually survive until help comes your way.

It’s just the sheer number of things that no longer work:
Precision
Crit damage
On-crit traits
Crit sigils
Any guaranteed crit
Fury

I’m so excited.
Wait for it to be over 90% health so that nobody is happy.

@P Fun Daddy. Lol only over 90% now that would be fun. Too troll Anet too troll xD

Be more realistic – it’ll be while under 30%. Maybe under 20%.

Kevin.5610:

Avead.5760:

The thing with staff ele is that it ll never be an amazing bunker.
Thats s/d ele and it was really ridiculous back then. But staff..it cant 1vs1 effectively cause its slow and unreliable and has weaker defense mechanism that other sets.
If you see the staff ele from apex team playing you can see how hard its to even fight for him solo a hambow warrior without losing the node to the point of thinking why playing this build..And a moments later you see him ressing a guy to full with the glyphs water effect and then coordinating with his team the blasts on his water fields,his might stacking and his cc,sharing prot etc.Thats amazing gameplay to me.
Support in gw2 is non existant and more healing without increasing the users self sustain is exactly what the game needs.
The game needs a build that is weaker than every other bunker to take down but at the same time has bigger inpact than all of them. I dont know if this will be achieved or another monstrosity of endless self sustain and condi clear will be added to all the pre existing kitten.. but its worth the try.Staff in general is the hardest weaponset to achieve skill cap imo for the ele.After spending countless hours playing s/f fresh air (which is for some reason considered one of the hardest specs) i found extremely more difficult to effectively direct my damage and cc with staff to a target.But thats me ..other people see it as spamming more aoes :/

I am glad some people can see the fact that a Staff elementlist doesn’t need to wait until the 15th to be considered “OP” The team members of Apex and I have helped shape the way some PvPers view a staff ele. I have had multiple people claim I am a bunker which is absurd seeing as I have barley and toughness and vitality but regardless some mind sets cannot be changed. I run a support Elementalist and I have been playing ele since this game has been in beta I have watched this class prosper and now that it is down in the dirt the PvP team of Apex and I have proven many times in skrims Vs. some of the top teams in NA such as GF and vVv who have some great/respected PvPers in North America that an elementalist without the April 15th patch Staff ele still holds a spot at the top. But with the future patches to come Elementalist will be more available and is going to be seen on many teams due to its changes.

With this all being said I want all gw2 players to know staff elementalist is possible to play in a high caliber with or without the changes to come, it all takes practice. I have some VoD’s of the staff ele game play on my twitch channel for those who are interested, Twitch.tv/Chubbsz.

Maybe the people complaining about staff want staff to have higher damage sustain in 1v1? Just a guess. Staff is definitely awesome in team play.

cheese.4739:

Be more realistic – it’ll be while under 30%. Maybe under 20%.

Then we’ll get every zerker player complaining that it’s OP, while nobody else even realizes it exists, and every ele will want it removed for something useful.

Because life in general needs to mimic Diamond Skin.

I dont get it. Is it a joke thread?

Arcturus.8109:

I dont get it. Is it a joke thread?

Based on this I take it that you don’t realize that the new GM traits open new possibilities for elementalist. Particularly the earth and water ones.

Btw +1000 healing power is terrible for mesmer since their skills scale very poorly with it and -50% damage while stealth requires thieves to give up on the GM trait that heals them while stealthed (although it can be nice to res someone, no doubt).

So yes, there is a joke : it’s your lack of understanding.

kitten !!

Someone just got served!

Uhtameit.2413:

Arcturus.8109:

I dont get it. Is it a joke thread?

Based on this I take it that you don’t realize that the new GM traits open new possibilities for elementalist. Particularly the earth and water ones.
So yes, there is a joke : it’s your lack of understanding.

Yes I don’t realise what “great possibilities” new traits will give to ele.
Earth trait can help you resist burst from something like thief. One burst. Or you can even cast shower with rock solid and this, that’s great! But what’s next? You will be bursted again. Or just spammed 3. And staff ele still doesn’t have stats or skills to effectively survive that, not ot say about 1v2 or 1v3 fights. And such ele still cannot do anything to decapper engies. So this will be an OP bunker? Better that guardian? As a joke such assumption is fine, no doubts.
Water trait is just a crap and doesn’t worth abandoning cleansing waters. It just doesn’t fit in current team tactics.

Arcturus.8109:

Yes I don’t realise what “great possibilities” new traits will give to ele.
Earth trait can help you resist burst from something like thief. One burst. Or you can even cast shower with rock solid and this, that’s great! But what’s next? You will be bursted again. Or just spammed 3. And staff ele still doesn’t have stats or skills to effectively survive that, not ot say about 1v2 or 1v3 fights. And such ele still cannot do anything to decapper engies. So this will be an OP bunker? Better that guardian? As a joke such assumption is fine, no doubts.
Water trait is just a crap and doesn’t worth abandoning cleansing waters. It just doesn’t fit in current team tactics.

One burst? you mean one burst every 10 or 13s, right?

“spammed 3” are you talking about s/p thieves? those are annoying for a few classes, not just elementalist so I fail to see your point. A glass (I think you’re talking about glass) staff ele can destroy a careless thief with meteor shower + lava font + lava tomb.

Now a glass support ele has plenty of ways to remove conditions, to AoE heal, to AoE cc/snare and to do some damage on top of it. If you can’t survive one thief with a cleric staff ele, that is a L2P issue. You can probably hold on your own 1v2 (not as well as a guardian, though) but you will shine in a team fight !

Now indeed, it can’t do much against decap engis but ele can at least be a very good support, having +25% outgoing heal for allies is priceless if the ennemy team doesn’t use conditions. It can play the support role at mid just fine, perhaps not better than guardian but we shall have to see.

Stone of Heart offers many possibilities for conjure/glass eles, too.

And btw “Water trait is just a crap and doesn’t worth” made my eyes bleed. Please don’t do that again.