Probably the best condi ele build in the game

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdhUMooh1MwzB8RMIAYRAIUWEpuQSoKUby2wZA-TJhAQBA4BAAj9HkYZgNcCAAA

Read it, scan it, love it, and after you do that, read the following:

Ele’s in the worst spot for any class ever for the damage department, and no build with the current status of ele will make damage ele viable in conquest. (I know you think s/f is viable, it’s not. You may even think that it’s good, it’s not. It’s a 1v1 build with mediocre mobility. It’s worse than d/d, even. If you’re losing a 1v1, just run away. It’s easy. That’s why s/f sucks.) But this build is fun, and it even approaches good (by the standards of damage ele) because no one will know what the heck you’re running or how to cleanse fast enough. This build is not a gimmicky build with 1 objective and 1 spike. It’s an intense, high skill cap build that is unable to carry you. Here are some of the amazing combos and what they achieve. If you have questions, feel free to ask and I will respond to each one.

Offensive:
In a close quarters situation in a beginning of an unfair fight, probably a 2v1 (in your favor) or a 1v1, this is a combo for you.
Glyph of Elemental Power(while in fire)> Arcane Power> Flame Wall> Rock Barrier> Hurl while inside the Flame Wall to proc projectile finisher, and proc immob which makes all your attacks undodgeable.
Condis applied: Burn, Blind, Immob, about 9 stacks of burn, 7 bleed, 4 seconds of immob, 5 seconds of blind.

Spam Flamestrike. Literally. You can get up to 14 burn at 900 range with just auto attacking. Without cleanses, it takes 5 auto attacks to kill the revenant bot in HoTM. This is great for +1ing on the sidelines in team fights because you don’t lose any essential cooldowns.
Condis Applied: Blind, Burn

Fire Shield> GoEP which will apply 4 bun on the first time you’re hit, and 1 burn every second aftwerward + blind.
Condis Applied: Burn

Freezing Gust>Shatterstone>Comet>Dust Devil
This applies debilitating conditions that will help you in your future condi applications. The chill makes them get stuck in shatterstone, the comet interrupts them and the blind stops counter pressure
Condis Applied: Chill, Vuln, Blind

Conjure FGS> GoEP, Arcane Power> Fiery Whirl
Basically lots of burn + extra damage because wielding FGS gives you 260 power and 180 condition damage, this is also done while dodging for 1.25 seconds and applying cripple and blind
Condis Applied: Burn, Cripple, Blind
With Elementalist, if you rely on combos, you’ll get farmed. These combos are for when the stars align and you have the skills available to do this.

Defensive:
Magnetic Wave> Rock Barrier
Gives you projectile protection while gaining toughness

Swap to Water> Glyph of Elemental Harmony> Water Trident
This clears 3 conditions, applies fury and regen, and heals you for a total of 11140 with sage amulet. Counting regen, it heals for 14900 in total + soothing mist.

Dragon’s Tooth
I know what you’re thinking. “How can an offensive skill be a defensive one?” With Dragon Tooth’s incredibly large tell and cast time, it is easily dodged and most people will dodge it. Since anet shadow nerfed gale it’s effectively impossible to land, thus is used primarily for outplays and baiting out a dodge, thus making them go on the offensive instead of applying more pressure.

Gale>GoEH
This gives you a free cast so you can heal. It’s good because the knockdown on Gale is now one second (after anet shadow nerfed it, thanks anet), just like the cast time on your heal.
Openers:
Now here’s where the combos get really fun.
Arcane Power>Lightning Flash right ontop of your opponent> Dust Devil>GoEP> Phoenix
This is a beautiful opener, probably the best. So what this is is you applying 2 seconds of immob + another 2 seconds from the dust devil, + the blind from dust devil. When you swap into fire and phoenix, the phoenix applies 4 stacks of burn from your arcane power and your glyph of elemental power. This will bring down the average player (about 20000 health) to about 65>70%. This will probably bait out a heal and will definitely make the player go on the defensive which is DEFINITELY what you need. Aside from your defensive rotations and your 15k heal (lol), you are pretty squishy, and too slow to disengage.
Condis Applied: Immob, Blind, Burn

Conjure FGS> GoEP> Arcane Power> Fiery Rush> Fiery Eruption
Lots of burn and it gives you extra condition damage and power, which is even more condi damage. This also gives you high mobility and an almost guaranteed disengage.

Cleaves:
Flamewall
Lots of burn

Fiery Eruption
Even more burn

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Posted by: Dahir.4158

Dahir.4158

too squishy. you wouldn’t last 1 min with that in ranked pvp.

Broski

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

too squishy. you wouldn’t last 1 min with that in ranked pvp.

Did… did you read the first paragraph? The first 3 sentences? Oh, okay.

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

Builds like that one are bad because they lack any resemblance to condi diversity, among other things.

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Posted by: Abelisk.4527

Abelisk.4527

Too hard to use

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

Too hard to use

“Spam Flamestrike. Literally. You can get up to 14 burn at 900 range with just auto attacking. Without cleanses, it takes 5 auto attacks to kill the revenant bot in HoTM. This is great for +1ing on the sidelines in team fights because you don’t lose any essential cooldowns. "

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Posted by: Mr Godlike.6098

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Sage is kinda waste on ele generally and would worked better with tempest. Healing power works on ele only on tempest and power damage tickle people without cirt. I understand role of arcane precision with this traits but this skill without any other utility then damage it’s isn’t worth it . You should test carrion, deathshot, rabid or wanderer. You don’t gain any valuve from healing power in this build.

Was depressed ele…now depressed druid
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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

agree. I realy like condi heavy ele and i play sage with tempest. I tested all condi amulets and while i like viper most, it´s very squishy. Wanderer is powerful especially when using multiple fire auras.
I like the build but it has flaws. Your toolbar with glyph and arcane power is offensive and has a significant CD. In a teamfight or against competent builds your first significant condis will be cleansed. Then you go down to some average damage, low defence with significat CD for the next “Danger Phase”.
I agree scepter is the way to go.
Then water. You don´t get much synergy in that build from ist. Earth is way better.
Next you critical chance is to low. Only elemental power for triggering is not enough.

If you want to do it with base ele then try something like this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdhcMosh9NwxB8RMIAYTMYGUEiAQosIWbymYaA-TJBBABhVG4v9H0+EAAwDAAA

Way more tanky. Will dish out a lot of damage.

Most think burn them with baltasar rune but it´s not needed.

Try it. they will melt while you endure longer. Lighning flash is missing and yes its one of teh best ele has. You won´t need the glyphs and elemental power.

(edited by Wolfric.9380)

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Posted by: Abelisk.4527

Abelisk.4527

I feel like Poelala’s build is good but people don’t know how to use it. Arcane Power with Elemental Surge and Glyph of Elemental Power are amazing tools

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

it has very low defence and it looks like being short timed. So full attack and then kite for 30 seconds ? Yey in silver it will burn teams down. I did it with viper setting players 1:3 on fire turning two into piles of ashes but this build will perish against a warrior or other builds that can handle condies for about 5 seconds.
Yes i like it as base ele. I play with condie ele since one and a half year maining it. Definitly fun but this is a burn burst build that will die like a burn guard on my soldier rune or do i get this wrong ?

Want go full force maybe use this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdnMIC9Mg1MAGNA8RgBBAr2kNxzQEAClFxJGMDSiA-TJBHABJVG4s9HA4BAI8JAAA

Let them die ;-). Condi removal is the weak spot …..
Imagine releasing rock barrier firing arcane power. Well rock barrier is one of my most enjoyed skill after the buff :-).

Agressive Tempest version. Weakness makes you even more tanky and covers burn, more might and chill from passive aura. Maybe give that a try ;-). You might love fire overload…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdnMIC9Mg1MA+XCcYiFBALIAEKLiup2XbutYT2EPDA-TJBHABnt/QSlBA4BAI8JAAA

(edited by Wolfric.9380)

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

you at least want a stunbreaker on your utility bar. that much should be common sense.

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

you at least want a stunbreaker on your utility bar. that much should be common sense.

GoEP is a stun break…

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

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Sage is kinda waste on ele generally and would worked better with tempest. Healing power works on ele only on tempest and power damage tickle people without cirt. I understand role of arcane precision with this traits but this skill without any other utility then damage it’s isn’t worth it . You should test carrion, deathshot, rabid or wanderer. You don’t gain any valuve from healing power in this build.

100% false. Tempest is too terrible to be an option on any damage build in conquest.

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

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it has very low defence and it looks like being short timed. So full attack and then kite for 30 seconds ? Yey in silver it will burn teams down. I did it with viper setting players 1:3 on fire turning two into piles of ashes but this build will perish against a warrior or other builds that can handle condies for about 5 seconds.
Yes i like it as base ele. I play with condie ele since one and a half year maining it. Definitly fun but this is a burn burst build that will die like a burn guard on my soldier rune or do i get this wrong ?

Want go full force maybe use this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdnMIC9Mg1MAGNA8RgBBAr2kNxzQEAClFxJGMDSiA-TJBHABJVG4s9HA4BAI8JAAA

Let them die ;-). Condi removal is the weak spot …..
Imagine releasing rock barrier firing arcane power. Well rock barrier is one of my most enjoyed skill after the buff :-).

Agressive Tempest version. Weakness makes you even more tanky and covers burn, more might and chill from passive aura. Maybe give that a try ;-). You might love fire overload…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdnMIC9Mg1MA+XCcYiFBALIAEKLiup2XbutYT2EPDA-TJBHABnt/QSlBA4BAI8JAAA

Both of these are far worse than my build… (1st)Torment is a waste. I’ve tested it. It’s 90 damage while still and like ~200 while moving, it’s one stack, and it lasts for a very short amount of time. You have only very VERY little condi diversity and no defense to back it up. You have no mobility. You have no heals. Your heal skill is the worst on elementalist. (2nd) You’re using tempest… Tempest… Tempest. The same tempest with the worst elite mechanic in the game. The same tempest that relies on channeling a skill with a relatively small AoE (fire overload) and trying to make the other player stand in it long enough to make an impact. No, I will NOT like fire overload. Your tempest build uses Tempestuous Aria (one of the worst traits in the game) while your build has only 2 shouts, one with a 75 sec cooldown and the other with a 25 sec cooldown. You are again using the worst heal on ele, and you’re using “Feel the Burn” which gives only 4 seconds of burn… that’s nothing. Intelligence sucks with your build, and carrion/scavenging is horrible for elementalist.

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

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Please note, gimmicky 40 stacks of burns at the cost of 5 of your cooldowns (hyperbole, of course) builds are not better than this one. Ask Abelisk. On the day I made this build I kept farming him even though he had the superior condi damage and pressure. This build is simply superior to gimmick burn tempest.

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Posted by: Dahir.4158

Dahir.4158

too squishy. you wouldn’t last 1 min with that in ranked pvp.

Did… did you read the first paragraph? The first 3 sentences? Oh, okay.

1. I did read it.
2. Too squishy
3. I play condi ele myself and only my build is the best build. s/f will never work

Broski

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

well if you can climb pvp ladders / beat good players with it, have fun I guess.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

Hi

Ok thet torment is one of my favorites (cover condition) but not with sage or carrion. I also don´t use carrion but it fits some builds. Sage makes one of the most solid all around builds but with tempest not core ele.
But what is hard to pick is the glyph and arcane power. Slots on the bar are usually full. Taking glyph without traiting feels meh.
The offensive part is gorgeous. Firing rock barrier into a field is great and i do this regulary. And i agree that elemental power and glyph are good damage boosts but it feels like a squishy one trick pony.
And did you try to use tempestious aria and gale song with a shout build?

@Dahir. Why not S/F ? D/WH is a good option but it doesn´t feel much better.

I will test again with the glyph. Maybe its worth it but i usualy avoid long CD utilities.

What i play is less offensive. But i can win most duels and give support.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdn0XC9XiVYCOOAcYiFBAbIIMDSiBBgQZR0N1+aztA-TJhAQBA4BAIxyAXZ/hPcCAAA

I swap utilities a bit depending on oposing team especially aftershock.
And gale song has a huge impact on my survivability. Main drawback is mobility. I get swiftness on OL.

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Posted by: Abelisk.4527

Abelisk.4527

Alright. After extensive dueling and a few ranked games I have come up with this masterpiece.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdncMAFNg9MAeOAcYiFTArYKWCCBul10acloCEAaAA-TJRHABVs/AAPAggPBA+XGAA

Notes:
– 95% of the time you must use GoEP in fire attunement
– Use overloads when you’re out of focus / stunbreak / AoE condis
– Plays similarly like the S/F FA build

Air overload stacks up to 4 condis on its own: Vulnerability, Weakness, Torment, Fire (with Glyph active). This is simply put an intense condition pressure build with decent sustainability.

(edited by Abelisk.4527)

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

too squishy. you wouldn’t last 1 min with that in ranked pvp.

Did… did you read the first paragraph? The first 3 sentences? Oh, okay.

1. I did read it.
2. Too squishy
3. I play condi ele myself and only my build is the best build. s/f will never work

If you’re on NA, I’m open to duels. I usually can duel any time from 4 pm EST to 10 pm EST, we’ll see who the better ele is and who the better condi ele is and what the better build is.

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Posted by: Dahir.4158

Dahir.4158

Broski

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Posted by: FrostDraco.8306

FrostDraco.8306

“Ele’s in the worst spot for any class ever for the damage department,”

This gave me a chuckle.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

I tested a bit. I am not used to play polenas build but good enough to get a feeling. I used it adapted mainly trying glyph and aracne power. Damage is often devasting. But longer CD´s and missing protection gets me killed more. also condi removal is weak… the necros destroy me more then with my tempest. It has to kite a lot. Also as mentioned sage is weak on the build. I would try deadshot + scavenging rune.

Look at this version. Misses the burst from arcane power. You can add it but i have good experience with cleansing flame.
Yes it has tempest. Feel the burn is good here. don´t whipe away tempestious aria and gale song. You apply weakness, which realy helps you survive and it´s a cover condition. Dodgin in fire /earth also applys conditions. More stunbreakers too. Auto (with superspeed!), one on toolbar and OL as reserve.
Long total fire aura uptime hurts too. Sigils for more condi damage and cover condies.
I prefer elemental contingency. I pick finals shielding only on glass builds.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArdnUMA9XiFNAOOAcYiFBAzN1+aztFbymYaIIAMBKiA-TJRFQBJ7EAAgHAgb2fwglBAA

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Posted by: Gwaihir.1745

Gwaihir.1745

too squishy. you wouldn’t last 1 min with that in ranked pvp.

Did… did you read the first paragraph? The first 3 sentences? Oh, okay.

1. I did read it.
2. Too squishy
3. I play condi ele myself and only my build is the best build. s/f will never work

If you’re on NA, I’m open to duels. I usually can duel any time from 4 pm EST to 10 pm EST, we’ll see who the better ele is and who the better condi ele is and what the better build is.

Lul I fought you in wvw the other day on this build. You just unload everything without thinking hoping to get lucky hits. Not working.

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Posted by: Vitali.5039

Vitali.5039

I am planning to roll an elementalist.

I want to play in Earth to pressure with bleeding and then switch to Fire and burst down with five free crits, bonus ferocity, and fire damage.

Could this build work in unranked?
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArYnMIC9Mg1MAeOA8RglNAb4BEAKgFpxdQNwdv+XPsA-TJhAQBSsMAGOBAwY/BA8AAAA

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Posted by: Poelala.2830

Poelala.2830

I am planning to roll an elementalist.

I want to play in Earth to pressure with bleeding and then switch to Fire and burst down with five free crits, bonus ferocity, and fire damage.

Could this build work in unranked?
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJArYnMIC9Mg1MAeOA8RglNAb4BEAKgFpxdQNwdv+XPsA-TJhAQBSsMAGOBAwY/BA8AAAA

Unfortunately, no. You don’t have enough condi diversity. Only if the stars align and you can gank someone when they’re out of cleanses that build can work. But as it currently stands, it won’t do so well. Also, dagger offhand is terrible. Go focus to be more viable.

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Posted by: Vitali.5039

Vitali.5039

6 win 2 lose, isn’t very strong but still funny