Guild Wars 2

Scrap the tempest for now.

Wait until 1-2 months after the release of the expo for redesign. We understand the time constraints have forced you to just balance numbers at this point. We are okay with waiting to get a truly unique, useful and accepted elite spec rather than a rushed and useless one. Please do not release this and be forced to stick with it, delay and rework is 100% acceptable.

Sincerely me and everyone who posts below me.
…except that one guy who thinks being avatar is cool and it justifies this spec…

OneKlicKill.4285:

…except that one guy who thinks being avatar is cool and it justifies this spec…

I agree with the overal proposal, except for the comment above.

Playing like the Avatar (Aang or Korra) would be freaking awesome for a ninja / martial artist specialization for the Tempest, if done properly.

Anyways, plus +1 to this suggestion. If they don’t even want to listen to our feedback, might as well just take their time internally to make a well thought out spec and just throw it at us when the expansion launches.

I’d honestly rather they not scrap all the work they’ve done and just look at ways to enhance what they have.

Making posts that try to speak for the majority is wholly useless. I mean, it completely ignores the players that are really excited about the Tempest currently, it underminds the opinions of those that think it’s bad but should be tweeked with to improve it and is just disrespectful to those that paid money (regardless of if they agree or disagree with you) since you’re trying to divert what they paid for toward a direction you want.

Please continue feedback though. Make more constructive posts about what you’d like to see (more than just “throw what you have in the garbage and start over” though).

Leo G.4501:

I’d honestly rather they not scrap all the work they’ve done and just look at ways to enhance what they have.

Making posts that try to speak for the majority is wholly useless. I mean, it completely ignores the players that are really excited about the Tempest currently, it underminds the opinions of those that think it’s bad but should be tweeked with to improve it and is just disrespectful to those that paid money (regardless of if they agree or disagree with you) since you’re trying to divert what they paid for toward a direction you want.

Please continue feedback though. Make more constructive posts about what you’d like to see (more than just “throw what you have in the garbage and start over” though).

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Tempest-BW1-Let-s-Vote/first

This isn’t even the first vote thread the first was actually better rated if I recal. The overwhelming number of people are extremely unhappy with this spec and all of its mechanics. Number changes are not enough. Nearly all suggestions have been major mechanical changes and reworks that would roughly equate to starting over. I’m suggesting they take the additional time they need to bring an elite spec to our class that receives the welcome that specs such as the chronomancer received.

And that linked thread is not the only one there are PAGES of threads since the initial reveal we would get warhorn daunting at this spec and its somehow gotten WORSE than we imagined. This spec needs a serious rework/overhaul/scrap many concepts and ideas, and with that I recommend they take time to deliver something that a MAJORITY will be happy with, not a MINORITY of the randoms who think its cool.

I know I joke and mess around A LOT on the forums, but the future of this elite spec is actually a serious issue and needs to be considered far past simple number changes or adding stability here and there. Complete mechanical changes are needed to make this viable in SPvP, WvW, AND PvE. Now this thread is not ment to point out why that is, you can close your eyes and click anywhere on the ele page and find the answer of why.

To simplify, Lets make this thread about Anet taking additional time to work on the tempest (or renamed spec as needed) that would extend past the release date of HoT as required possibly utilizing aditional beta weekends for the spec. This process would intake our feedback and work the tempest into being something the MAJORITY are content with and open a discussion with devs and forum members about what is wanted and needed for the tempest spec

The only way ANet will listen is if we speak with our wallets. unfortunately I doubt we can get a refund for HoT, and you have to have bought it to test tempest in the first place.

Maybe if enough of us send refund requests with Tempest as the cause of seeking a refund, they will listen

Well I think we’re just at odds with the definition of “overhaul” and “start from scratch”. How some of the vocal posters that cry the same thing tend to want something extreme like the nix of war horn for main hand sword and things like that. However, suggestions like the combining of traits and introducing new ones, adding effects to the overloads and looking into features of the base class to change, that sounds different from an overhaul.

My beef tends to be on how people communicate and it’d be wrong to put the sole blame on the devs either. The devs may not inform us on this extremely well but posters aren’t any better. And they aren’t paid to post on the forums either so mentioning your customer status doesn’t exclude us of blame.

There’s nothing wrong with expressing distaste just do it constructively. Just put yourself in their shoes with all the same context of budget, deadlines, PR but with your ideas and work. Consider overhauls a last resort (right along with just accepting what we got as is or uninstalling the game), mechanical changes/additions as somewhere in the middle and number tweeks as a preliminary to change.

All I ever see from this forum is whining. It’s kind of sad. Elementalist can do everything well already. They are a solid class by themselves. The only option arenanet had to go anywhere with an elite spec for elementalist is offering a different playstyle. And don’t say it isn’t a different play style, needing to stay in one attunement for 5+ secs before overload starts and then it locking that attunement stresses more single attunement gameplay. Then you have the warhorn skills, which finally give air and water offhand actual damaging skills, and present utility in the offhand instead of damaging skills in fire and earth.

The reason no current MAIN elementalist player likes this elite spec is because it is a completely different playstyle than you are used to for years.

Everyone keeps saying it is trash, but every single person who has said that they just shouldn’t release the tempest elite spec hasn’t offered any alternatives that aren’t just insanely broken because every elementalist player just expects to get the very best. There is a reason elementalist and warrior are two of the MOST played classes. They were solid classes by themselves. So what honestly do you add? Are you just being whiny because they are adding warhorn instead of a sword or something? Or is it more that you wanted an incredibly broken elite spec that every elementalist would have to roll if they wanted to be competitive.

Elite specs by their very nature are supposed to offer more choices and playstyles. Just look at Dragonhunter. If they took away some of the supporty elements from dragonhunter, it would be the furthest playstyle you could get away from Guardian. Do you know the people most interested in dragonhunter, it isn’t the main guardians.

I’m sorry but, just because YOU don’t like this current elite specialization, and maybe plenty of other people don’t either. Doesn’t mean there aren’t people who like it. It’s different. And different means that more people will go to elementalist. The people who didn’t really enjoy playing the base line elementalist because of random things here and there like constantly having to switch attunements every three seconds, or lack of real damaging abilities in anything but earth and fire attunements.

And when it comes down to it. Just because you don’t like this one, doesn’t mean it should be pushed away and stalled. If you are willing to wait for something, then wait for the NEXT elite specialization and let people have this one.

randomjordan.4261:

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Clearly you don’t play ele or you don’t understand

Tempest does not fill a new role. that is a fact. Anet asked for feedback if the elite specs offer a new role. the answer is no.

Attunment camping is a Playstyle we can already do…and better then tempest. PvE staff is 80% camping

Argol Vazin.3061:

Clearly you don’t play ele or you don’t understand

Tempest does not fill a new role. that is a fact. Anet asked for feedback if the elite specs offer a new role. the answer is no.

Attunment camping is a Playstyle we can already do…and better then tempest. PvE staff is 80% camping

Nah, it’s a whine fest because we cannot appreciate getting the ele v0.5 instead of ele v1.0b

rotten.9753:

Argol Vazin.3061:

Clearly you don’t play ele or you don’t understand

Tempest does not fill a new role. that is a fact. Anet asked for feedback if the elite specs offer a new role. the answer is no.

Attunment camping is a Playstyle we can already do…and better then tempest. PvE staff is 80% camping

Nah, it’s a whine fest because we cannot appreciate getting the ele v0.5 instead of ele v1.0b

It’s also quite funny that people claim that the ele has build for everything. Eles have no good condition builds (which will get worse when burning gets a rightful nerf) and they have no ranged single-target spec. Let’s not even get started about PvP in particular where D/D is the only current choice. Since the elementalist lacks build diversity in PvP so much, I believe that the elite spec should have been made with PvP in mind instead of this slow spec that is easy to interrupt.

randomjordan.4261:

The reason no current MAIN elementalist player likes this elite spec is because it is a completely THE SAME playstyle than you are used to for years.

Here, now it’s correct.