Guild Wars 2

I’m a new player to Guild Wars 2 and watched reviews and such about the game before purchasing. The profession that caught my eye was the Elementalist which I had no qualms about starting as my first character. So far I’ve only played PvE as my elementalist is only level 23. Being a new player, I am in no way an expert but find one thing puzzling. Allow me to explain.
Until today, I’d never been on the official Anet forums while researching the game’s mechanics or how to play my Elementalist. Just looking at the first page of posts I was amazed to see so many complaints about the profession being “underpowered.”
Before playing GW2, I came to understand that the game was “difficult” through reviews and such and accepted it as such. That being said, I found playing my Elementalist challenging and instead of complaining about the profession or wanting to give up (because I had nothing else to compare it to) I went to do my “homework” about the profession and found some useful information and adapted my play style to it. While surviving pretty well on my own without it, to my satisfaction the “homework” I did helped! This brings me to my point that I don’t think the Elementalist is “underpowered” in PvE but rather “challenged.”
I have my Elementalist running S/D with 10 trait points in fire and the rest in arcana. I’ve previously prioritized power and toughness as my main stats but will be switching out power for condition damage and think it will work out fine. I run around spending most of my time in fire attunement while switching to earth when things get messy and the occasional air attunement, never touching water attunement. I can typically survive pulls with a few mobs but cannot adequately solo a veteran but I have no complaints. It is my understanding that the game is supposed to be “difficult” and play like it is meant to be.
After getting a few levels into the Guardian I started yesterday, I understand that Elementalists may not be able to take down a group or even one enemy with the same level of efficiency or the greatest of ease but I wouldn’t trade it for anything. My Guardian can stand in one place with 5 mobs soak up all the damage and not drop below 90% health, so far. However, I like the challenge of my Elementalist because it keeps me on my toes. As an Elementalist I’ve accepted the fact that I can’t just stand there and soak up damage like other classes may be able to or roll over enemies as easily as others.
I came into the game with little knowledge of it and literally no knowledge of how “challenged” the Elementalist was as opposed to other professions. Instead of complaining, I adapted to the way the class is intended to be played. I personally think the Elementalist is a lot of fun. Forgive me for not having a question or concern that I’d like answered. I just wanted to take a moment to point out my view as a “new” player. So for those wishing to delve into the Elementalist I encourage you to stand strong, adapt, and accept the challenge. You too can appreciate the challenge of the Elementalist!

Ive been through this challange for 350h+ played on ele alone. While pve is “doable” its kitten frustrating at least 50% of time. Ive died countless times for accidentally pulling 3rd mob (kiting 2 mobs…) while beeing well equiped for my lvl. Im yet to see my friends die in such situations. PvE improves when ure full exotic… however compared to other classes… much left to be desired.

As for pvp. Any build that is not bunker makes you an easy kill for others and theres nothing you can do about it. Ive died to thiefs before i could literally press a button for mist form. And i was expecting that kitten thief to engage me so my finger was ready. With bunker build at least i last a bit longer and sometimes if i outgear him heavily he might give up and let me go.

Reroll thief/mesmer while u have a chance. Im lvling mesmer atm with thief to follow.

I keep telling this to people and they keep telling me its challenging, theres nothing challenging about elementalist in gw2, its simply underpowered and no set of magical “skillz” will ever make up for that.
Pve ele for me is ok, i do ok in dungeons, i heal acceptably and deal average dps with full exotic, SPVP however its a complete joke, and if you play with staff its a complete list of bad jokes.

Ive been playing Ele and engineer for these days all level 80, with exotic gear, my ele is no match for my engineer, be it on spvp or in pve, also i will refuse to use daggers just cause its the only mediocre way to deal damage in pvp, i just rather keep my staff and keep out of spvp entirely with that class, for me elementalist was never about forcing go melee range in PVP and i find this concept silly since ive played elementalist on GW1 aswell.

I am glad I am not the only one. I love my elementalist!!! I got her to 55 last night. Most of my play has been solo. I also craft with her so in all honesty some of those levels have been from gathering/crafting but I am less than 150 skill level in both jewlery/tailoring. I also like the challenge of playing an elementalist. No it is not easy but I agree with you, I dont find them “underpowered” and yes they are “squishy”. I am to the point where if I plan it right and all my spells are up I can solo veterans and yes I have to run and kite while doing it but boy when they go down it feels good. I could not tell you what my stats are, I think they are kind of balanced out atm. Most of my trait points are in fire mostly because I like trowing fire balls around and can’t do it in real life so hey why not It is defiantely a class you need to think about and use a bit of strategy with each pull and that is what I like the most. You dont just run into a group of mobs and smash away and come out on top all the time.

One thing I did do when I was high 20’s low 30’s was go back to a starter zone (yes I know I was leveled to match the zone. I chose a starter zone because this is a “learning” area) and learned exactly what happens when I hit certian spells and followed them up with others, basically learned how to create combos and how to survive and how/when to switch attunements. I use all of them pretty much equally. I am in no way a super elite player or even a good one and to be honest in PvP/WvWvW I would royally get my butt handed to me. I just really wanted to learn how to make it work for me.

I started with an ele and found the game incredibly hard having no idea on what to actually do. I soon rerolled a ranger for it being too difficult and found ranger to be incredibly easy to solo in pve with considering you have a pet to tank everything for you and just mindlessly spam “tab1” all day long. Eventually I hit lv80, fully geared exotics and spamming gold on cultural pieces. When I had nothing left to do I tried pvp and wvwvw and got demolished by pretty much every class. I was shocked at how poor the ranger did in 1on1 situations and switched back to my ele with a substantially larger amount of knowledge I had before attempting to play an ele. I read all the skills, and traits and tested everything out, finding that staff and focus are the worst possible weapons you could use when utilizing every skill. That cc’s, cantrips and healing power play a gigantic roll. And that ele is rather overpowered in any 1on1 pvp situation. I am disappointed I rolled a ranger, but I probably would have quit the game if I kept playing on my ele without knowing what skill does what, and what stats are more beneficial. And although ele does not really have an “afk atk” and has to constantly cast, I find this the most enjoyable class. Mine is now lv80 fully geared and I am pleased playing this class. Let me know if anyone wishes to have a friendly duel with me 1v1 =D.

TL;DR : It is a challenging class starting off with as OP stated. It has the most spells in the game, use all of them to get the best out of it. It is fun!

As i said, pve is doable if very careful. What makes ele bad in pve is lack of damage and squishiness. Im master at dodging damage in pve just beacuse of it. I soloed champion mobs laughing at how others sucked at dodging. Than i saw how little they got punished for it. While i would die to 2 hits others were easily soaking up 5+ hits in a row. Than add in the dmg they are doing compared to me… just makes it not worth it at all.
Tbh i can live with crappy pve since im a pvper. Once i got gear from dungeons i never went back to pve once. Im kitten that in pvp you have 2 options. Do mediocre damage at a cost of dying to pretty much any1 that spots you; or do no damage at all (not kidding) but be very hard to kill.

Bond.4813:

As i said, pve is doable if very careful. What makes ele bad in pve is lack of damage and squishiness. Im master at dodging damage in pve just beacuse of it. I soloed champion mobs laughing at how others sucked at dodging. Than i saw how little they got punished for it. While i would die to 2 hits others were easily soaking up 5+ hits in a row. Than add in the dmg they are doing compared to me… just makes it not worth it at all.
Tbh i can live with crappy pve since im a pvper. Once i got gear from dungeons i never went back to pve once. Im kitten that in pvp you have 2 options. Do mediocre damage at a cost of dying to pretty much any1 that spots you; or do no damage at all (not kidding) but be very hard to kill.

Agreed dodging is great for kiting, but when there’s too many mobs.. We kite so much that they reset.

Micro Hard.3601:

I started with an ele and found the game incredibly hard having no idea on what to actually do. I soon rerolled a ranger for it being too difficult and found ranger to be incredibly easy to solo in pve with considering you have a pet to tank everything for you and just mindlessly spam “tab1” all day long. Eventually I hit lv80, fully geared exotics and spamming gold on cultural pieces. When I had nothing left to do I tried pvp and wvwvw and got demolished by pretty much every class. I was shocked at how poor the ranger did in 1on1 situations and switched back to my ele with a substantially larger amount of knowledge I had before attempting to play an ele. I read all the skills, and traits and tested everything out, finding that staff and focus are the worst possible weapons you could use when utilizing every skill. That cc’s, cantrips and healing power play a gigantic roll. And that ele is rather overpowered in any 1on1 pvp situation. I am disappointed I rolled a ranger, but I probably would have quit the game if I kept playing on my ele without knowing what skill does what, and what stats are more beneficial. And although ele does not really have an “afk atk” and has to constantly cast, I find this the most enjoyable class. Mine is now lv80 fully geared and I am pleased playing this class. Let me know if anyone wishes to have a friendly duel with me 1v1 =D.

TL;DR : It is a challenging class starting off with as OP stated. It has the most spells in the game, use all of them to get the best out of it. It is fun!

For real? Ive died countless times to rangers due to rtl beeing kitten (ive literally lost 70% of hp due to this retardation). All they have to do is kite and if in open wvw you are dead with zero chance. Pet alone does 1k/hit. However if rtl hits by some miracle you have a chance.

Tensei.9748:

Agreed dodging is great for kiting, but when there’s too many mobs.. We kite so much that they reset.

Tbh reset was never a problem for me. Id just dodge over it and kite the other way.

Are these complaints focused on any particular weapon, or every weapon set up for the class?

Bond.4813:

For real? Ive died countless times to rangers due to rtl beeing kitten (ive literally lost 70% of hp due to this retardation). All they have to do is kite and if in open wvw you are dead with zero chance. Pet alone does 1k/hit. However if rtl hits by some miracle you have a chance.

There is a reduced movement speed from moving left/right and an even larger reduction flat out going backwards. As long as you are traveling forward you’ll be faster than them. Although rtl does bug up sometimes, it is mostly due to terrain. Keeping it on flat ground will always hit the target with the exception of rolling, stuns, knockdowns (which is rather dumb not being invul in that state) and easily closes the distance. The blink cantrip, as well as your own stuns/knockdowns should make it easy enough to prevent kiting from being a problem.

Your post was very “annoying” to read, and if you had actually done your “homework” you would “realise” that “challenging” in this case means “far more work for less results”.

@bard
If you are reffering to pve aspect id say its a class problem. Than again its class problem in pvp as well. Beeing locked in certain range due to weapon set is kitten Zero versatility. In pvp if not bunker build you really have to outplay your enemy to defeat them. And even than you are in danger of dying to a run of a mill thief dropping 15k dmg in 2s on your kitten

@micro
I know game mechanics quite well. Beeing crit for 6k+ while in bunker build doesnt really give you much time to do the running considering the attack speed. As i said, ive lost even 70% of hp in the time rtl unbugged itself (about 1-2s). And rtl bugs on anything that is mobile. Ive had successful hits with it at about 20% rate on mobile targets. Never bugged on terrain tho. And you should count in rangers cc as well.
Also fun fact: if ranger starts imediatly kiting at his max range you will come out of rtl at aprox 600 range from him. No chance to catch up.

I wasn’t really thinking about range versatility, but more of an explination for why people are so unhappy with the class when I haven’t noticed any problems. I role D/D earth/water primary build, I switch attunes constantly and use self combo’s effectively. It doesn’t take me 25 seconds to kill mobs like some have often spouted. I figured it had either something to do with a serious misunderstanding of how to play the class or the difficult game play associated with the ground target heavy Staff. I have seen some people on here claim that staying in an attune based off your traits unless shifting is needed is how you play an elementalist, so I have a very high skepticism regarding the legitimacy of whats posted here on the forums.

Uh im not one of those players. Now that im geared up i can kill mobs in few sec (dungeons are another story). Wasnt like that when i was lvling. And single mobs were never a problem. Pulling 3 or more same lvl (gear/traits taken in consideration, not pure lvl) mobs ussually meant armor repair bill. And d/d just sux for pve… sure its doable vs 1-2 mobs and even than beeing in that close range… just doesnt justify low damage. In pve i found it inferrior to s/d.
As for pvp… insta deaths all over the place. Bunker is the only viable build.
Unhappiness with class comes when you compare it to others. You are outdone on everything except bunkering. And even that is succeptible to bursts. And with kitten bursts this game has… No class should EVER 2 hit you. Ive see theifs with 17k backstabs on ele’s… Thats just no fun at all.

@Bard I challenge you to a 1v1 spvp match in an empty room. If you wish to stay arrogant about it and just cry then feel free. I am confident that I will not lose against any class. That said, I may end up in a rare stalemate where niether player dies, but will not fall.
Cheers.

Also for your fun fact, a ranger has 1575 maxed with trait and long bow. RTL has 1200 + blink has 900 + 2 rolls easily reaches that… which would be rare to even start at that range.

Micro Hard.3601:

@Bard I challenge you to a 1v1 spvp match in an empty room. If you wish to stay arrogant about it and just cry then feel free. I am confident that I will not lose against any class. That said, I may end up in a rare stalemate where niether player dies, but will not fall.
Cheers.

Not really sure what you’re getting at.

My post was generally questioning the validity of complaints on the grounds that people can’t play the class correctly.

By this challenge, either you assume I was insulting the Elementalist class or you’re trying to prove Heavy Armor classes can’t be killed by ele’s.

You seemed to make it sound like being hit for 6k is an instant end to an ele. And make rtl sound like a useless ability. You give too little credit to it and for me it rarely bugs. Terrain plays a huge part, even the smallest bump on the ground will often ruin it. Jumping before casting it is also slightly helpful for a successful hit.

EDIT: OHHH my mistake, I read incorrectly and thought Bard was Bond. I am sorry for the confusion.

Micro Hard.3601:

You seemed to make it sound like being hit for 6k is an instant end to an ele. And make rtl sound like a useless ability. You give too little credit to it and for me it rarely bugs. Terrain plays a huge part, even the smallest bump on the ground will often ruin it. Jumping before casting it is also slightly helpful for a successful hit.

I think you’re talking to Bond, not me, I’m against all this crying over ele’s.

No one seems to notice that every class accept heavy armor classes are complaing about the same issues, give or take some strengths/weaknesses in pve or pvp.

My philosophy is when 70% of the classes are crap compared to just two, the other classes aren’t broken, the two are overpowered.

Till then all these flavor of the month players might as well role the godly warrior or guardian until they get their receptive nerfs.

Just by moving you negate rtl. Ive engaged about equally equiped rangers and got decimated. Couldnt get in range for cc at all. RTL failed me (didnt connect) and by the time i got out i was nearly dead while still getting hammered. And 6k a pop isnt an instant end… its 1/3 of an end. And with 20s stability/swiftness i can do kittenall to stop you from kiting. Im reduced to air/earth autoattcks and guess whos gonna win that exchange.

And rly.. i dont remember rtl bugging once on terrain and i use it often. I can only link it to enemy movement since i always hit stationary enemy.

@bard
Id say its avaible burst thats op. Ive had epic fights vs obviously undergeared people that couldnt insta gib me. Take away kitten bursts and extreme tanks and game is balanced.

I have already tested rtl with my friends. It does connect with moving targets. I have no problem at all downing a ranger, and I find them the weakest class out of all in pvp. I still think you should 1v1 me just to confirm your theory, but if you wish not to then don’t make up you own conclusions and just act like “oh it’s just because ele’s are bad”. Other than that, I have no qualms with any other classes and find nothing overpowered. Every class has something it’s good at.

Rtl isn´t as buggy as peole let understand, and ele is not as underpowered people let understand, but it says something that you can barely see an ele clip without rtl bug in it atleast once.
Unfortunate, but not the end of the world.

What theory would that confirm? Ele vs ele? Or ele vs ranger? And i dont have that many problems in spvp since i can LOS most of times. In wvw its another story. I cant keep up with incoming damage and extremly hard to close distance (and keep it) vs a good ranger.
RTL was never a problem vs stationary targets regardless of that terrain. If you can walk through that terrain, rtl will connect or bring you close enough to do some cc. If the target is using irregular movements… out of luck. Ill pretty much save rtl as an escape tool if im not certain i can connect it.
And feel free to explain to me how to counter ranger thats un cc-able and is doing his best to kite me and hitting me for numbers only my firegrab can match.

Bond.4813:

Tensei.9748:

Agreed dodging is great for kiting, but when there’s too many mobs.. We kite so much that they reset.

Tbh reset was never a problem for me. Id just dodge over it and kite the other way.

^this. Kite smarter, not farther…

In pve I play with a staff or s/d. When I’m farming mobs I’ll pull about 7-10 and get them into a tight group. Drop a frozen ground, aoe in a tight circle, after 5 sec drop a sandstorm, aoe in tight circle, all dead. In an s/d I’ll pull 3-4 at a time and burst them down in 5 sec. Staff has more control so I can pull more mobs.

Never played d/d. Never had a desire to. But I know some real good d/d players in pve and they always surprise me with their capabilities

Never have any problems in s/tPvP vs a ranger or any class for that matter, in all specs (minus guardians =/). Tho I play heavy in water so I can cleanse all my conditions on the regular. In wvwvw I play mainly with a staff in a more glass cannon build. I’ve seen many rangers kill themselves when I pop magnetic aura =]

I play Ele in PvE and PvP, and I have found them to be excellent in both. I am D/D and using DaPhoenix’s build, which is mainly defensive, yet I still find I do very high damage. I don’t even have full exotics, just 4 exotic armor pieces, green jewelry, rest rare.

In PvE open world, I can take like 3-4 Orr mobs easily…and usually more unless they are really spread out. And in PvE dungeons, it’s even better. I do great AoE damage, I am constantly stacking might, and I have the ability to cleans conditions and heal my group. Pretty awesome all around. Compared to my Mesmer, my Ele is like 500% better in PvE…no contest. No one should ever be complaining about Ele in PvE.

In PvP, I do very well as well. I mainly do WvW, and I find that I do very high damage, even to other level 80’s in good gear. I’m not really sure where all these damage complaints are coming from.

Just to give you an idea of why I think Ele in fine in WvW, I routinely go to a zone where we are outnumbered, stalk zergs and pick off weak players. I normally have entire zergs coming at me, and yet I still manage to kill significantly more than I am killed. I think it must be frustrating for the zerg to watch me finish off their comrade while in mist form and not being able to do anything about it lol.

And survivability…we have tons. I can escape with RTL, my auras, chill, etc…and I can heal to full very quickly by switching to water. I know I can survive well because like I said, I normally have big groups chasing me, and get away like 90% of the time. In fact, I infuriated one zerg so much that they chased me all the way inside our spawn and 5 died to our legendary defenders lol.

Fact of the matter is that Ele can be an amazing class if built correctly. I know this, because I have seen it first-hand. There ARE problems, but those problems are with skills that you don’t have to use. Conjures suck right now for example. My hope is that ANet will fix those skills eventually, but until then…just use what works and you will be MUCH happier.

Ele vs ranger ofc bond. You say a ranger destroys ele, I say otherwise. Also you stated rtl connects 20% of the time previously and now claim it is not bad. Blinds go through stability, rolls, and especially, once again, closing the distance. Keeping behind a ranger means they can’t hit you… Just say you’re going to dodge 1v1 rather than come up with an excuse please.

Micro Hard.3601:

Ele vs ranger ofc bond. You say a ranger destroys ele, I say otherwise. Also you stated rtl connects 20% of the time previously and now claim it is not bad. Blinds go through stability, rolls, and especially, once again, closing the distance. Keeping behind a ranger means they can’t hit you… Just say you’re going to dodge 1v1 rather than come up with an excuse please.

I basically agree, rangers never give me grief. I’m not sure if I’m just fighting bad rangers or what, but they seem nearly always easy lol.

RTL is funny for me, some nights it seems to work like a charm constantly…but last night it was terrible lol. Almost EVERY time, it would either go off the wrong way, go halfway to the enemy and stop, or just sit in front of him and let him beat on me until it decided to end. I would like it to be fixed.

But like you say, sometimes it seems to work great…totally random.

@darksun
You did that while still lvling? And where do you farm in that way?
As for rangers killing themselfs.. I never seen it happen for me but they did drop like over 50% hp and just retreated.

@creslin
Granted mesmers arent exactly good in farming. Im more annoyed by the fact that other professions can easily pull several mobs while wearing travelers set. If i try that with 3-4 mobs ill be seriously running around for my life doing it. Others might lose 10% hp doing it…
You manage to kill more in 1 vs zerg? Must have been one kitten zerg. Yes, kitten zergs do exist.. I went vs 5 and couldnt die. Sux i had wrong weapon equipped so i couldnt kill kitten either.
And how the hell can you outrun everyone? As a staff ele ive been chased by warrior across the map (even E5 and A5 him in water) with near perma swiftness and used flash and he still caught me. With s/d i cant run away from a (good) thief ever. And there are plenty of other examples of this. If they are determent to catch you, they WILL catch you. But i agree.. if theres a keep nearby (flash + 2dodges away) there is no reason for ele to die.

@micro
Really? Now you will twist my words? Its not bad when the enemy is STATIONARY aka not moving.
And blinds? On a fast attacking profesion? And obviously rangers done have dodges.. right. Or keeping up with un cc-able ranger while he can snare you at any time… Yes, i see why you rerolled.
And why on earth would i want to 1vs1 with you? It would prove nothing at all.

@Bond

As I leveled I would try to get in the middle and a few groups and pull the lot of em together (as long as they aren’t range, if there is one just pull your mob to it while blinding the range/ dodging).

With farming it heavily depends on what I want to get =] but I will always avoid underwater farming (unless its a mine)

@Bond

With D/D, use Shocking Aura to buy time. When you round a corner, pop Updraft as they come around. Use RTL on CD, and keep them chilled with your Water spells. I have no problems running away 2v1. If it’s 3+, sure, I’ll get chain CC’d but that happens to pretty much everyone. Can’t speak for staff as I only use for tank/heal builds.

I’ve never been effectively kited by Ranger or Thief when I’m D/D. Ever. RTL in, either Updraft or pop Shocking Aura. Either one buys you plenty of time for a combo. Before the CC is about to wear off, Mag Grasp > EQ, combo again. Ranger’s only good kiting comes in when they pop RaO. At that point, just go LOS them until it drops, or continue sticking to them with RTL, Mag Grasp, and Lightning Flash. No good reason a D/D Thief should be kited into oblivion.

Yes, blind sucks vs. fast attackers. But Shocking Aura doesn’t. Neither does Static Field.

As for PvE, I’m only level 11, but I’ve been farming the veteran ettin near Phinney waypoint since level 8 or 9, taking on the entire group of normal Ettins with it. Sometimes 6 or more. Yeah, we have to move a lot, but that’s the fun of the class. Very active. If you want an easy facetanking class, go play a Guardian or something. Unless you’re speccing for it, you shouldn’t be able to facetank easily on an Ele. But like I said, I’m level 11. Things will likely change drastically for sure, but I spend most of my time in PvP, so it’ll be a while before I get there.

@darksun
you actually pulled several groups of mobs when still lvling and survived? And killed em all? Granted i was still noob when lvling but i recall incoming damage to be brutal when too many mobs were involved.

@animosity
I can escape from people if i got a place nearby to run to. As i gave an example before.. determined players WILL catch you. I never imagined a warrior could catch me but he did. Just took him rather long time due to my superrior cc under water.
As for ranger kiting.. i have no problems when i got a place for LOS. In open wvw im fked.
Thief doesnt kite, he just kills you. 10 min ago thief downed me in 2s. 16100 hp and 2560 armor destroyed before he even rendered on my screen. With those stats i can tank ENTIRE supply camp for a long time. Does kittenall vs thief.

@Bond

I had an advantage from the start. I played s/tPvP exclusively for the first 3-4 weeks of buying the game. So when I started to PvE it was cakewalk =]

@Bond lol do you understand that the entire basis of something being op or up revolves around the class or unit being able to play any roll at all in the game? If an ele destroys a ranger, and YOU SAY they do not apparently, then YOUR CLAIM that an ele is garbage and gets destroyed by a ranger is completely false. That is what it proves if you beat me in a 1v1. Saying it does not show anything is rather childish when you keep telling everyone in here that a ranger has no problem killing ele’s when you can’t even reproduce what you say in game.

EDIT: I will even give you the benefit of the doubt and let you try ALL the classes against me (not just the ranger, everything) in a 1v1 spvp and wait for you in the room.

@darksun
Ive got over 350h played on my ele with several full exotic sets. I know how to play quite well. PvE is not a major problem for me since im at end game pretty much. I can clean up 5+ veteran mobs at a same time. Its what gear does. When i hop in my rare travelers set it becomes lot harder. Everything takes longer and mobs do dent your hp quite well. Im not saying its that hard to kill 2-3 mobs a time.. Its just kitten when compared with other classes.
Go as an ele and fight 2-3 lvls higher mobs and you’ll see what i mean. I can take one, perhaps 2+ mobs if elite is ready. Other classes just steamroll through them.

@micro
Do you even read what i write? I specifically wrote that ranger doesnt pose that much of a problem for me when i can abuse LOS. Really… You call me childish but fail to even understand what i write. And on top of it you want me to duel you with a class i never played. I havent even played thief/mesmer enough to unlock all the weapon skills yet (due to guild needing players for wvw).
And i know VERY well how survivable bunker ele is. And beeing on the receiving end of bursts i know the numbers poping in combat log. 1/3 (and more) of my hp per hit on a bunker should never happen. Even more so when you add in the attack speeds you can pull off.

@Bond lololol so you cry about every class and losing 1/3 of your life per hit and still refuse to 1v1 and claim they’re overpowered and ele deserves a buff right? I wont even LOS and you can use a ranger if you wish. I accept a duel from any class and you still back down… Just stop posting please, ele is fine the way it is, if not, it’s possible too good. You were the one that said it’d win b/c of the amount of room in a wvwvw and the lack of LOS. QQ more or duel? And I said “any class”, you don’t have to use a thief/mesmer if you do not wish to.

You really dont get the point of my posts? Is my english that bad?
Why would i pvp vs you with any other class when i never even properly played em. I have zero feeling for when i should use what skill. Heck, i dont even know what all skills other classes have. I have 1h played on mesmer and thief and none on other classes except ele. I havent even played em enough to develop muscle memory for combos let alone properly pvp with them.
And i do know when i die without having a chance to even retaliate. Since ure stuck on my claims of incoming dmg and survivability i should have… YOU do the math and tell me. I have 16k hp in bunker build, i get hit for 4-8k crits. How long do i last vs that damage? How do i counter that damage? PLease enlighten me.

1. You admit yourself that your elementalist doesn’t compare to your guardian.

2. Seems that you are complaining about complainers ; P

3. Sadly, things don’t change unless people complain about them.

4. People don’t complain about something they don’t care about.

5. Glad you love your elementalist, cos we all do! Thats why we are here!

Welcome to the club! /hug

I gave up ele, its a pale copy of Guildwars 1 Ele, if Anet made it more like the original i’d be into it more, as it is now its pretty squishy and too little range and damage..

(bare in mind i could only stomach GW2 ele till about lv26) higher levels maybe better but i’m not gonna frustrate my way too 80 to find out…

Ranger and Engineer were a lot more fun to play.

Dante.1508:

I gave up ele, its a pale copy of Guildwars 1 Ele, if Anet made it more like the original i’d be into it more, as it is now its pretty squishy and too little range and damage..

(bare in mind i could only stomach GW2 ele till about lv26) higher levels maybe better but i’m not gonna frustrate my way too 80 to find out…

Ranger and Engineer were a lot more fun to play.

I think this is mostly the problem with a lot of people. They expect ele to be copy of gw1 ele, and get dissapointed.

People made the class thinking it was going to be a traditional burst mage archetype, like in nearly every other game. When in reality Elementalists don’t have enough burst to make that path viable. Which then pigeon-holes the class into a Bunker build to even be productive.

Also, it’s really a misconception that the Elementalist is hard to play. Everyone says the class is hard to play and has a high skill-cap because the player has to juggle 20 skills, but anyone who has played almost ANY other MMORPG have been playing with 30-50+ skills without issues. 20 skills to use does NOT make the class hard to play(perhaps hardER than the other classes, but not hard).

Those who complain likely aren’t as bad as the class enthusiasts assume. They assume those complaining aren’t good at the class, or don’t like the class and tell people to reroll. When we do like the class, in fact love the class, which is why we complain and some of us are indeed good with the class.

Now I’m not denying that the class can be played well with a good player, but a good player could use a wet noodle as a weapon and still do well. That doesn’t mean using a wet noodle is a good idea.

My 2 cents.

“So far I’ve only played PvE as my elementalist is only level 23.”
and the rest sonds like
“and i think you all should learn to play…..hear what i do…..”

I think it you should try to get to 80 (requires really little effort) and try all aspects of the game you want to comment….

Unless you want to state….“until level 23 in PvE ele is not UP……IMHO”

If you really read all complaints you claim to read you would’ve noticed on how problems starts later expecially in solo PvE.

Personally i think staff solo PvE at 80 is possible the worst experience in this game….fortunately switching to D/D helped a lot….

Well hope to hear you in some weeks when you’ll have tried more things……

Lol myst

People need to stop comparing ele’s to gaurdians. I’ve been to every class forum and it’s basically a similiar rant with everyone comparing their class to one of the two plate wearers.

Remember what I said earlier? If the majority is weak against the minority, then the minority is overpowered.

You guys complain about being the worst class, Go into the necromancer forums for once and see how bad it gets in their. In fact as Ele’s, we’ve been praised for our unique spell animations, where as Necro’s often get depressed over how recycled their spell animations and sounds are. Sure necro’s can currently pvp at a better rate than Ele’s, but they still are in the bad boat with everyone else.

You need to realize that every class is basically bad save the two plate classes with unjustified burst damage and heavy armor.

Because of this I kept telling my self I wouldn’t visit the forums unless a real gameplay weakness was noticed. Granted, I naturally chose a Bunker/support traitline because I was attracted to Double Dagger earth and water attune game play specifically, ignorant that it was “The only viable trait spectrum”. What got me on here was the fact that my theifs pistol duel wielding got incredibly useless around 17 and I wanted to know why (to my suprise mainhand pistol was broken and poorly designed with it’s skills and that Pistol Pistol was damage confused to the core and useless). Shouldn’t have done so though, I didn’t want this game to be like WoW, constantly complaining and stressing out over classes, insulting poor balance decisions and having a zealous standard, at that point my fear of playing something inadequately or in of itself inadequate ruined game-play for me, so just a warning to all.