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Posted by: ApaWanka.2698

ApaWanka.2698

Hello colleagues Elementalist.

I’ve start this season this week (gold), I’ve start with the standard metabattle build but after a while and I’ve been trydifferent things.

During the previous seasons, I’ve player as healbot with cleric amulet because it was the best for the team and I was looking to reach Legend…. but after a while, start to be boring.

Cleric amulet is gone, so I move to Mender, as metabattle says… the damage is slightly bigger, but still not great (30% crit chance with no ferocity) and more dangerous than before due low toughness.

Yesterday I’ve tryed Sage and the results surprise me a lot. The heals are slightly smaller (830 per Aura with Sage, 1100 with Mender…. 25% less) but the damage output with burnings in increased by 66% (Sage 294/s , Mender 130/s) …

this calculations where done without might stacks, but with fire fields, 2 blast and 4xfire Auras (Focus, Overload, shout and fire field+leap) and Fire Overload is easy to keep more than 10 stacks while U are on fire.

… so, the preasure on the point is bigger and AoE, been able to perform a burn spike up to 10 stacks really easy and keep it for a while pushing enemies out of the point. Without lose the support function cleansing conditions, healing around U, boons and area projectile hate.

Im not saying to not use Mender, but I think that Sage is an option too depending on enemy composition.

What do U think? Someone else have it tryed aswell?

Apologize for my grammar/spelling mistakes, English is not my native language.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

I play sage. Menders only pays off in organized teams. At least for me. Most solid set i always come back is sage + soldier 4 shout …… You add significant condi damage which results in more damage. Fire overload is devasting with sage and i use it as downcleaver regulary. With meders your air overload hits harder but in total it´s much weaker. With sage i can actuall bring down thiefs and revenants quite fast.

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Posted by: ApaWanka.2698

ApaWanka.2698

During my test, I where using Sage+Soldier runes and 4 shouts like U.

Fire Overload is really strong like U said to cleave downeds and preassure on point. (really good on small points)

Revs and thiefs go down fast with the damage of Sage amulet…. Im enjoying it a lot!

after long time without been able to kill people (with cleric U could bunker a point but apply enough preasure to kill was really complicated…. impossible against a decent player)

Happy to hear thar someone else arrive to the same conclusions than me !

Thanks for the reply !

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Posted by: Mr Godlike.6098

Mr Godlike.6098

Sage would be very great if power damage wasn’t so much dead stat on amulet on ele without crit but it’ is some kind of alternative! Mender kinda (you need friend rev to make dangerous) pays of if you want overload air often.

Was depressed ele…now depressed druid
Kawaleria (KW)

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Posted by: FrownyClown.8402

FrownyClown.8402

I tried sage over menders. Overall the damage is a bit higher. I wouldnt really rate it any worse or better than menders. Id prob just use if the other team had thief and rev


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Posted by: reikken.4961

reikken.4961

I use sage if I want more killing power, and menders if I want more support. That’s really all there is to it.

That 560 precision is not that significant backed up by no ferocity unless you need crit procs. It offers about 13% more raw power damage.

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

PierPiero.9142

how is the build ?

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Posted by: Loboling.5293

Loboling.5293

Anyone else run Magi? I somehow managed 46% of my teams healing last match. Which means that I nearly doubled everyone’s healing. (406k end of match) But I only dealt 96k dmg though.

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Posted by: reikken.4961

reikken.4961

I do that with mender’s
usually have around 50% of team’s healing

Magi’s heals for a little more (about 6%) and has more health (20% more) to make you a bit harder to burst down, but in return, you do a LOT less damage (mender’s does about 80% more). Precision with no damage stats is just so useless. I’d use it if that precision were replaced with quite literally any other stat.

which now has me wanting to see stat spread with healing, vitality, and concentration or expertise. No damage, all support. And no toughness to make you invincible which would be OP

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Posted by: posthumecaver.6473

posthumecaver.6473

The problem with Sage if a thief decides to lock on you and catch you out of Earth your chance of recovering from that is bigger with Mender….

1vs1 against Thief and Rev are no problem, the problem when you try to support your team and thief and rev pressures you all the time, they have to catch you once at %50 hp and earth in CD…..

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

PierPiero.9142

The problem with Sage if a thief decides to lock on you and catch you out of Earth your chance of recovering from that is bigger with Mender….

1vs1 against Thief and Rev are no problem, the problem when you try to support your team and thief and rev pressures you all the time, they have to catch you once at %50 hp and earth in CD…..

I tried sage too . Probably i created a kittenty build but i found it weaker than mender . how do u set up it ? scepter focus ? earth ,fire ,tempest ?

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Posted by: reikken.4961

reikken.4961

same build as mender’s
just don’t take any on-crit stuff

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Posted by: BlackBeard.2873

BlackBeard.2873

Mender’s is better because the damage you do really doesn’t matter. You are there to support the people who actually do damage (necros, revs, DH’s, mes, etc). Menders does that a lot better.

What is more important is tweaking build depending on enemy comp.

In general: If they have necros + mesmers (condi): take cleansing water + trait for auto-air shout + auras give vigor and regen

If they are all power damage (no necros or mesmers, basically) and/or warriors, take aurashare + aura on overload + stab on overload. Sharing more auras (prot) + shocking aura-spam is super-strong against power comps.

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Posted by: reikken.4961

reikken.4961

damage certainly does matter. else people would be running magi’s.

and I do average damage (around 20%) each match with mender’s

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Posted by: Dahir.4158

Dahir.4158

current meta is kitten. sage amulet is the best, use it and embrace the condi ele meta.

Broski

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

yea dahir. Especially in solo Q this works. Yes you die out of earth on a thief or other power burst in your back. So watch out.