Guild Wars 2

After playing the HoT BW1 and spending around 24 hours on tempest (mostly in pvp) i have come too realize that the new elite shout is truly lackluster. My reasoning follows:

-Even though elementalist in gw1 had a few cooldown reduction skills (i.e. glyph of swiftness, which by the way was way more effective than rebound) this skill “type” isn’t really elementalist domain in gw2.

-“Rebound.” does not feel like an Elite skill in any regard. It does not change the tide of battle in any way or unleash a devastating effect ( i quote from https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/ , “…and devastating elite skills…”)
For the other players it’s just there for like half a second until it gets wasted on a bad skill most of the time.

- Every single one of the other shouts is more powerful/effective.

- The skill is simply not fun in any regard, the only time i was really using “Rebound.” was to remove a condition using soldier runes.
Beyond that using it in battle felt like a waste of time.

As for how to improve the skill:
-At least make it so the effect isnt wasted on auto-attacks.
-Make it insta-cast so we can use it mid important channels (i.e. meteor shower ).
-Increase the effect duration, 8 seconds is just not enough, or augment the effect range to at least 900.
-Possibly have it become a stun-breaker (this one might be too strong).

IMO the elite skill should be changed to something that actually helps the Tempest play it’s role as a frontliner/support.
Here’s an example:
- skill name : Armor of Slivers
Grant Aegis(5s) and an attunement specific aura(2s) to you and your allies whenever you swap attunements.
It could also grant the caster stability when he overloads.

this skill would remain a shout and its effect duration and cooldown could be the same as “Rebound.” currently is. (8sec effect and 60secs of cooldown)

Thank you for the attention and please leave productive comments below.
From a fellow elementalist.

I agree with you that the skill needs to be replaced. Not just reworked, but replaced with something totally different.

Unfortunately a ‘whenever you swap attunements’ elite wouldn’t make sense, because the Tempest is all about staying in one attunement.

My only complaint with the skill is its consumed in auto attacks and it doesn’t do anything to alert you that you’re under the effects of this skill.

If they just copy pasted the Guardian F1 activation effect for everyone’s UI but turned the flames purple it’d be a god send and would make it significantly more useful without a voip

I want it to be “Maelstrom” with similar effect like in gw1. Would be much better, fit tempest, and give us an elite worthy to use as extra slot (and not optional, only usefull in few occassions transformations, or the ‘mobility only ’ (after numerous nerfs) Fiery Greatswords. Glyph of elementals has use, but it’s small, and this one skill cannot make the Ele’s kitten nal feel great, like it is for guardians now, and thieves etc. They got plenty of (in situations that has use for it) very good elites.

Xillllix.3485:

It’s all equally bad all around. Literally nothing works well with it, there is no synergy beside auras, but even there the shouts overlap with the water grandmaster trait.

And the elite is so disappointing considering mesmers are getting the new alacrity boon which is 10 times better and not even an elite.

I agree. Tempest is great in my opinion, I had an amazing time with the new mechanic and shouts and even the warhorn which people hate for some reason. But the elite is downright bad. It would be a bad choice even for a mesmer but for an elementalist? It just doesn’t fit.

People have been asking for more “Storm Calling” type of skills for the tempest and I believe an elite along the lines of maelstrom can achieve that.

Give Eles a way to use a utility skill in the elite slot. Allow the elite to “copy” another utility once you use it, that is, use Rebound, use Mist Form, Rebound turns into Mist Form.

The possibilities with this are endless, more Armor of Earth or Mist Form to escape a bad situation, more teleports with 2 Lightning Flash, 3 Frost Bows, 2 Glyph of Storms really loads of play options.

It takes an elite slot since Ele elites are very situational and rarely useful, it will very easily fit on most skillbars. It can easily become the favorite elite of all Elementalists. Not to mention it fits with the name “Rebound”.

Wanting Utilities in the Elite slot is a clear indicator of how bad Elementalist Elites are.

My 2c suggestion for rebound rework/redo/reskill/etc, would be something to go with overloads. What about a buff that grants quickness and causes all attunements to be overloaded upon swapping, that way you get to rapidly fire through the ones you need access to, AND quickly cast them (I am assuming quickness affects overloads cast times, I haven’t yet checked this…)

This would allow for integration with Tempest’s class mechanic (attunement overloads), or alternatively ignore the overloads and just use the quickness as it is. Maybe call it something like Recharged or Reloaded.

If it was a 6-7second duration then you could either choose to push out 1-2 overloads superfast, without having to wait for them to charge up while in an attunement.

(I dunno, I’m not master designer, or skill namer person.)

maddoctor.2738:

Give Eles a way to use a utility skill in the elite slot. Allow the elite to “copy” another utility once you use it, that is, use Rebound, use Mist Form, Rebound turns into Mist Form.

That’s basically Echo from GW1, and while Mesmers currently have mimic, if anyone was to get a pure Echo skill, I would believe it to be Mesmers.

to make matters worse, this isn’t even actually a shout. Not sure if that is a bug or not.

Anyone that has ever completed the guild bounty for Trillia Midwell has seen her version of “Tornado” and how amazing it is. I was absolutely positive that the Tempest was going to get that for their new Elite. They could have renamed it. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trillia_Midwell

On top of that the Ele is the only light armor class with access to only one two-handed weapon. Giving the Ele another off-hand which is arguably already the strongest part of an Elementalist’s weapon choices is disappointing.

The Tempest should at the very least get access to Trillia Midwell’s version of Tornado. Do Ele’s proud dev team!

StickMan.7549:

maddoctor.2738:

Give Eles a way to use a utility skill in the elite slot. Allow the elite to “copy” another utility once you use it, that is, use Rebound, use Mist Form, Rebound turns into Mist Form.

That’s basically Echo from GW1, and while Mesmers currently have mimic, if anyone was to get a pure Echo skill, I would believe it to be Mesmers.

Technically GW2 Mimic is like GW1 Glyph of Renewal which was an Elementalist skill. Mimic doesn’t work like Echo, so since Mesmers got the Elementalist version, Elementalists can get the Mesmer version!

For the skill to break even the combined cooldown of the skills cast after rebound has to exceed 240 sec. So something only a very coordinated group with TS or very experienced players could pull off.

But where would a reduction of a skill from 120s to 90s really pay off? Reviving Group in WvW with 1 Ele and 4 Warriors? Coordinated firing of all elite skills in PvP to win a 4 vs 5 fight?

Any tactic where the whole team fires their 120s skills on cooldown?

Even if this elite was a utility on a 30 sec CD I don’t think I’d ever take it…

It needs another layer even after bugs are fixed (I assume it affecting autos and things are bugs.)

Another layer being something like applying arcane shield to all allies within a radius. Something.

Probably one of the worst elite skills in the game, even including racials. The level of co-ordination required to get mileage out of it is too high and in the midst of combat I don’t see it being used well by allies it effects.

I’d normally make some suggestion(s) as to how it could be improved, but I’d also like it scrapped completely and replaced by something else.

Another elite idea:
name: Master of Magic (it was an elite from gw1, the skill allowed us to use all 4 elements properly without specking into them)
effect: recharge all attunement cooldowns and let the caster overload the element he is currently on.

dazydee.1509:

For the skill to break even the combined cooldown of the skills cast after rebound has to exceed 240 sec. So something only a very coordinated group with TS or very experienced players could pull off.

But where would a reduction of a skill from 120s to 90s really pay off? Reviving Group in WvW with 1 Ele and 4 Warriors? Coordinated firing of all elite skills in PvP to win a 4 vs 5 fight?

Any tactic where the whole team fires their 120s skills on cooldown?

Dungeons maybe? It would be impossible to coordinate that with pugs. In its current state, it really is only useful to the elementalist, unless your party members are psychic and know exactly when you’re going to activate the skill. And even then, you’ve got things that could interfere with hitting the skill you want on time.

I like the idea above of copying a used utility over to the elite spot. I also like the idea of completely scrapping Rebound instead of trying to improve it.

rhapsody.3615:

dazydee.1509:

For the skill to break even the combined cooldown of the skills cast after rebound has to exceed 240 sec. So something only a very coordinated group with TS or very experienced players could pull off.

But where would a reduction of a skill from 120s to 90s really pay off? Reviving Group in WvW with 1 Ele and 4 Warriors? Coordinated firing of all elite skills in PvP to win a 4 vs 5 fight?

Any tactic where the whole team fires their 120s skills on cooldown?

Dungeons maybe? It would be impossible to coordinate that with pugs. In its current state, it really is only useful to the elementalist, unless your party members are psychic and know exactly when you’re going to activate the skill. And even then, you’ve got things that could interfere with hitting the skill you want on time.

I like the idea above of copying a used utility over to the elite spot. I also like the idea of completely scrapping Rebound instead of trying to improve it.

The way dungeons are currently even if you managed to rebound on long cooldown powerfull skills the fight would be over long before the skill was fully recharged

tostadude.9214:

Another elite idea:
name: Master of Magic (it was an elite from gw1, the skill allowed us to use all 4 elements properly without specking into them)
effect: recharge all attunement cooldowns and let the caster overload the element he is currently on.

Just to add one more suggestion. Instead of a flat 25% to any skill, make it fully recharge your own attunements, and be able to instantly Overcharge your current attunement, but also instantly refresh allies F1-F5 abilitys. Would be easier to use in a pug since you yourself can be aware when a person just did use a F1-F5 ability. It is much easier to coordinate, and benefits you really well.

Manifibel.8420:

tostadude.9214:

Another elite idea:
name: Master of Magic (it was an elite from gw1, the skill allowed us to use all 4 elements properly without specking into them)
effect: recharge all attunement cooldowns and let the caster overload the element he is currently on.

Just to add one more suggestion. Instead of a flat 25% to any skill, make it fully recharge your own attunements, and be able to instantly Overcharge your current attunement, but also instantly refresh allies F1-F5 abilitys. Would be easier to use in a pug since you yourself can be aware when a person just did use a F1-F5 ability. It is much easier to coordinate, and benefits you really well.

great idea, that would help the tempest in the support side of things like Anet wanted

Yea I have to agree Rebound is really disappointing , because the fact that it only reduces the cooldown of 1 skill for 25% it is sad and also the only reason I used the this elite was to cure 1 extra condition using the soldier runes . At the very least, they could make the next skill you use not have a cooldown.
To me this skill really needs a buff or to be completly change, if they dont change this skill I probably will just use my greatsorwd or tornado ( btw tornado is cool).
And btw im sorry for the mistakes english is not my main language.

Manifibel.8420:

Just to add one more suggestion. Instead of a flat 25% to any skill, make it fully recharge your own attunements, and be able to instantly Overcharge your current attunement, but also instantly refresh allies F1-F5 abilitys. Would be easier to use in a pug since you yourself can be aware when a person just did use a F1-F5 ability. It is much easier to coordinate, and benefits you really well.

I agree. Making this more like the guardian’s “renewed focus” skill makes a lot more sense.

Also, I noticed this skill did not work with ice bow. Ice bow summoning did not cool down faster, nor did individual ice bow skills.

Rebound is clearly the worst elite up to date, ITS NOT FUN or EFFECTIVE :c
please change it Anet

I have to say that my disappointment with the whole Elementalist specialization has driven me to post on the forums, at long last!

Firstly: I wholeheartedly agree that the elite skill is garbage. It has a ridiculously long CD, coupled with an ability that is difficult to coordinate, and if you’re not the ele? It’s difficult to tell that you have the ability. Furthermore, having such an ability apply to auto-attacks is rather ridiculous. I see why they probably thought this was a good idea – can it be used to lower CD of the overloads on attunements? But really, then why would it apply in an AoE that is difficult to manage? I agree with the individual that mentioned the UI change from guardians – the blue flames. Even some alert that you’ve got this boon would be nice.

Secondly: The shouts and the trait line in general are unimpressive, especially when compared to the god-like abilities that chronomancers get. I primarily PvP, and if the build stays the way it is, I will – sadly – never use the new changes. The shouts aren’t really any different than most of the skills your weapons grant you – and the air shout is exactly the same as a tool belt skill Engineers have, except it’s an AoE stunbreak.

The shouts sound and look beautiful – but the gameplay really let me down.

Agreed that Rebound is terrible, Chronomancers let them use a skill, then completely reset and use it again. Rebound only give a 25% cd reduction on the next skill used. It’s not even as good as the Aeormancer/Pyromancer/whatever Training trait which gives 33% cd reduction on ALL skills of that attunement. I kind of don’t understand how this is an Elite?

Ele’s has never had a fantastic elite, but this Rebound will never make it to my elite bar at the rate it’s going. :\

i recall using the skill and having no idea if it was working or not.

I have the impression that the elementalist elite profession design has (1) nothing to do with how the class plays (attunement camping doesn’t work in a real battle scenario) and (2) was not based on the community feedback, which has been begging for a good elite for 3 years.

Condensed recap:
- the overload mechanic goes against the way the class is played, makes no sense to use it on staff, its not worth the risk using anyway
- even at support warhorn is worse than every other support options from other classes and on the elementalist, it doesn’t have synergy with scepter, it doesn’t provides what a melee class needs and doesn’t do damage
- we get nothing new (no new boons or conditions) beside a boon sharing
- shouts overlap the aura sharing trait
- etc, the list goes on and on of things that doesn’t work with tempest

The elite could have been the saving grace, but instead it is surprisingly even worse than our current ones.

dragonfabim.6945:

only reason I used the this elite was to cure 1 extra condition using the soldier runes .

This doesn’t even work because Rebound isn’t listed as a Shout…

The Elite should be called Elemental Scream and it should just do the combined effect of all the other shouts.

Feel the Shock of the Wash after the pain in your eye’s burn-freeze!!! After that, the Ele just falls to the ground out of air.

I have a minor idea on what to do with the elite.

Instead of making the next skill used within 6 seconds or so have a 20% reduced recharge, make all skills used in 6 seconds have a 20% reduced recharge.

Might be OP, might not. But at least it might be worth using.

I personally wish to switch the skill types of “Rebound” and Tornado; “Rebound” just does not fit Tempest.

Perhaps an elite focused on resistance with shorter cooldown? A signet? A cantrip?

Valento.9852:

Perhaps an elite focused on resistance with shorter cooldown? A signet? A cantrip?

Or a new emote: facepalm which would confuse your enemy or make them point at you for 1 second.

Easy kitteneful change: Light aura shared as other shouts sahre auras + a 360 rad light flied. Guess the animation can stay. Instant cast shout.

What about this: 120 sec cd. Summon a huge storm in target location. When summoned, the storm blinds and dazes foes, and grants light aura to allies. Then pulses in that place for a few seconds, highly damaging foes.

Adding say quickness would be nice but that would be too close to gard’s shout. So some type of boon related to the ele / tempest atument but a much longer lasting. So using it in earth gives you 8 sec of protection and the -25% cdr on your next abitly for you and your pt, air would be fury for 15 sec or so water i guess could be a “powerfully reg” so a high stacking reg effect, fire would be 5 to 10 stacks of might?.

Other way to fix rebound:
make it so that when you use rebound none of your traits has an internal cooldown

that way we could use evasive arcana more efficiently on a melee basis and many other possibilities

There are a lot of ways to make rebound viable….

Add a shared Chaos Armor (which is an aura).
Also add -20% CD on the trait for shouts.

Not superpower but good enough to use.

An then add light aura to eye of the storm instead of superspeed to complete the auras.

Wolfric.9380:

Also add -20% CD on the trait for shouts.

Rebound isn’t a shout :^)

Official wiki and char builder says its a shout ;-). So if it´s not a shout there a bug somewhere …

Wolfric.9380:

Official wiki and char builder says its a shout ;-). So if it´s not a shout there a bug somewhere …

In the beta, Rebound wasn’t classified as a Shout or anything at all.

Malchior.5732:

Wolfric.9380:

Official wiki and char builder says its a shout ;-). So if it´s not a shout there a bug somewhere …

In the beta, Rebound wasn’t classified as a Shout or anything at all.

That’s because they probably designed the skill 1 hour before starting the live stream judging on how an epic fail it is.

Xillllix.3485:

That’s because they probably designed the skill 1 hour before starting the live stream judging on how an epic fail it is.

This is brilliant!

This skill DOES NOT NEED a rework, it NEEDS to get REPLACED!

Vissarion.6509:

This skill DOES NOT NEED a rework, it NEEDS to get REPLACED!

This

Rebound!

Sounds like a nice elite shout to bump a thread.

Rebound!

I also think this should be removed.

Rebound needs to be replaced with the ability to slap a utility in your elite slot.

Done, you solve the issue of elementalist not having an Elite worth a slot and get people wanting to trait Tempest just to be able to use their Elite key bind button (which most elementalists probably don’t even know what it currently is).

REBOUND needs to GO ASAP!
Its mind boggling how such a thing even made its way through the first beta.
The skill is practically worthless even as a utility.Hell its not worth a weapon slot either cause
1)Its cluncky with the cast time
2)it gets used on autos
3)requires immense level of coordination for benefits that may well never be seen in most pvp fights due to the pacing of the game..plus it requires your allies to interrupt their flow in order to get that benefit

Basically im repeating what is already been said about it multiple times !
I just figured if more participate to the rant about it i slightly increase the chances it gets addressed !!

I agree that “Rebound” is a very weak elite, doesn’t even seam like an elite. Needs to get reworked so it effects reuse time at, at least 50%, to last longer and to be able to use it more often or needs to get replaced with something completely different.

Jaetara.4075:

I agree that “Rebound” is a very weak elite, doesn’t even seam like an elite. Needs to get reworked so it effects reuse time at, at least 50%, to last longer and to be able to use it more often or needs to get replaced with something completely different.

even if it were 75% it would not be enough unless they fixe the cast time, the range, the way its waste on auto-attacks, and still not being fun or ELITE worthy.