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Inc nerfs .

Razor.6392:

Inc nerfs .

Sounded more like buffs to me for other classes though they didnt hit elementalist.

Yeah, only time Ele` got a mention was Zoosee saying they have really good heals over ten seconds.

Shame that a thief can remove your hp in 1-3 ;p

Fishbait.6723:

Yeah, only time Ele` got a mention was Zoosee saying they have really good heals over ten seconds.

Shame that a thief can remove your hp in 1-3 ;p

Yeah, I LOLed. Ele is fine because we have great heals in one build. Ah, well. I guess having one viable build in tPvP is better than having zero (Warrior).

I saw their last tournie` when they had a temp` warrior.
Didn`t help that it wasn`t suited to that comp`, but he was also new to them, would mean be tough for them to work together

PinCushion.7390:

Fishbait.6723:

Yeah, only time Ele` got a mention was Zoosee saying they have really good heals over ten seconds.

Shame that a thief can remove your hp in 1-3 ;p

Yeah, I LOLed. Ele is fine because we have great heals in one build. Ah, well. I guess having one viable build in tPvP is better than having zero (Warrior).

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

Frostedblaze.9017:

PinCushion.7390:

Fishbait.6723:

Yeah, only time Ele` got a mention was Zoosee saying they have really good heals over ten seconds.

Shame that a thief can remove your hp in 1-3 ;p

Yeah, I LOLed. Ele is fine because we have great heals in one build. Ah, well. I guess having one viable build in tPvP is better than having zero (Warrior).

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

Mesmer waves hello

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

Lol wonder why others keep thinking we have alot of viable builds

You have 3 possible but all of them take 30 in Arcana. Engineers have 2, Guardians 2, Rangers 2, Necros 1/2, Thieves 3, Mesmer’s 1 maybe 2, Warriors 0.

he is technically correct.

Warriors zero.

Loooooooooool.

Necro ahs some great ones, just most won`t use spectrals.
Rangers have more then that.
Guardians no idea.
Mesmers definitely have more.

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

I’d say we have three builds. While they each take similar traits, they’re very fundamentally different.

We have the d/d 0/10/0/30/30 Aura share build which is great for support with decent damage and survivability, the 0/20/0/20/30 s/d burst build, and the 0/0/10/30/30 s/d (or occasionally d/d) back point defense/ bunkery build.

The traits are similar, but the builds play VERY different. And those are just the builds viable at high levels(all of these have been seen in recent tourneys.)

We have loads more options than most other classes just because of the way our class is designed, with versatility in mind.

However, I do agree that our fire trait line is pretty garbage, as well as earth past the original 10 points (though I do think Rock Solid is underrated, but that’s a different story.) But we have a lot more options than most other classes do right now.

Bas.7406:

You have 3 possible but all of them take 30 in Arcana. Engineers have 2, Guardians 2, Rangers 2, Necros 1/2, Thieves 3, Mesmer’s 1 maybe 2, Warriors 0.

he is technically correct.

Oh i see what you did there!! :P
Technically removing 10 points and allocating somewhere else its not that much of a different build.Unless changing a sigil makes a different build etc.
A mesm can roll with staff or gs, s/p or s/f with similar trait setu.By that logic i alrady have 4 builds for mesm without counting his actually trait (and concept) builds like shatter ,phantasm,conf etc
Anyway objectively ele has one of the most rigid viable trait setup.You either go 30 arcana and at least 20 in water or you go home.

apparently thief builds need 30 in critical strikes too.

Frostedblaze.9017:

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

I’d say we have three builds. While they each take similar traits, they’re very fundamentally different.

We have the d/d 0/10/0/30/30 Aura share build which is great for support with decent damage and survivability, the 0/20/0/20/30 s/d burst build, and the 0/0/10/30/30 s/d (or occasionally d/d) back point defense/ bunkery build.

The traits are similar, but the builds play VERY different. And those are just the builds viable at high levels(all of these have been seen in recent tourneys.)

Meh, two are extremely similar, and I know scepter/dagger burst is used in high level play, but as far as burst damage goes, it’s pretty lackluster compared to other classes. (Static Discharge engi, dagger/dagger necro, etc.)

Frostedblaze.9017:

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

I’d say we have three builds. While they each take similar traits, they’re very fundamentally different.

We have the d/d 0/10/0/30/30 Aura share build which is great for support with decent damage and survivability, the 0/20/0/20/30 s/d burst build, and the 0/0/10/30/30 s/d (or occasionally d/d) back point defense/ bunkery build.

The traits are similar, but the builds play VERY different. And those are just the builds viable at high levels(all of these have been seen in recent tourneys.)

We have loads more options than most other classes just because of the way our class is designed, with versatility in mind.

However, I do agree that our fire trait line is pretty garbage, as well as earth past the original 10 points (though I do think Rock Solid is underrated, but that’s a different story.) But we have a lot more options than most other classes do right now.

No offense but..are you kittening serious?
When it was last time you saw an ele using signet of fire and not laugh your lungs off?

Ele got more options than other classes? Pls dude give me a kittening break..truly I mean no disrespect, but this one of the most absurd things I ever read lately on this forum, I can go now and randomly pick 100 eles and they will all run the same traits and utilities, same exact build and you’re telling us that ele got more options than other profession?!…pls stop with this bullkitten!

P.S pls explain us how a d/d aurashare and “normal” d/d ele differ from each other, a single trait change the whole playstyle? really? no I mean REALLY? or how 0/20/0/20/30 is any different from the normal 0/10/0/30/30..same traits and utilities

Bas.7406:

You have 3 possible but all of them take 30 in Arcana. Engineers have 2, Guardians 2, Rangers 2, Necros 1/2, Thieves 3, Mesmer’s 1 maybe 2, Warriors 0.

he is technically correct.

Heh?

Phantasm build
Shatter
Glamour
Condition confusion
Immortal Mesmer
Mantra healing
Condition bleed
Boon build

Now some are stronger than others depending on what the purpose is but mesmer definitely has many builds I know I am missing a few the only trait that is considered a must for mesmer is 5 points in illusions thats it. Everything else is up to you. Some I gave generic names to but it gives just a general idea. Many of those are pretty different than each other as far as traits good. You don’t take phantasms do 15% more damage instead of taking the extra damage for mind wrack if you are shattering as an example.

I just want my RtL back to his old form in the back old Days.. Sign….And also Heal while Mistform.. Guess it is just my fantasy dream >-<…

How can people say that eles have multiple builds?

Every possible ele build spins around 20+ in both arcana and water. There is no way to avoid that.

Multiple Builds in some SPECIAL CERTAIN OCCASIONS, I guess

I still run around with 30/30/0/10/0 Zerker staff ele =P I just wish they gave us a downed state ability to explode like a risen chicken does …. that will teach the hundreds of people who have stomped me that staff ele is not just a free kill !

Stealth.9324:

I just want my RtL back to his old form in the back old Days.. Sign….And also Heal while Mistform.. Guess it is just my fantasy dream >-<…

Seconded. There`s no valid reason why RTL shouldn`t be reinstated.
Also same for Heal/mist form. Even ran into a guardian today in spvp, when its auto-blocks stopped my CE/RTl/Updrafts during several matches whilst trying to stop it reading its book/heal thingie /sigh

If anything elementalist is still too powerful in spvp. It’s in a really good state compared to most classes so there was no reason to bring up ele when we were only given an hour to talk.

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

I’d say we have three builds. While they each take similar traits, they’re very fundamentally different.

We have the d/d 0/10/0/30/30 Aura share build which is great for support with decent damage and survivability, the 0/20/0/20/30 s/d burst build, and the 0/0/10/30/30 s/d (or occasionally d/d) back point defense/ bunkery build.

The traits are similar, but the builds play VERY different. And those are just the builds viable at high levels(all of these have been seen in recent tourneys.)

Meh, two are extremely similar, and I know scepter/dagger burst is used in high level play, but as far as burst damage goes, it’s pretty lackluster compared to other classes. (Static Discharge engi, dagger/dagger necro, etc.)

Necros are terrible in PvP. They might have some decent burst, but they have no survivability. A burst ele can still survive very well. A burst s/d ele still has 20 points in water, heals every time they switch to water, 2 healing weapon abilities, PLUS our normal heal. And it’s great burst if you’re able to land it all. fire 2, 4, 3+ Earth Swap Arcane Wave Earth 4+ Air swap Air 2 is pretty much a 1 shot combo that gives your entire party 12 stacks of might for 20 seconds.

Arheundel.6451:

Frostedblaze.9017:

Chaosky.5276:

Frostedblaze.9017:

The Ele probably has more viable builds than any other class. Not sure where you’re coming from with this.

wat

I’d say we have three builds. While they each take similar traits, they’re very fundamentally different.

We have the d/d 0/10/0/30/30 Aura share build which is great for support with decent damage and survivability, the 0/20/0/20/30 s/d burst build, and the 0/0/10/30/30 s/d (or occasionally d/d) back point defense/ bunkery build.

The traits are similar, but the builds play VERY different. And those are just the builds viable at high levels(all of these have been seen in recent tourneys.)

We have loads more options than most other classes just because of the way our class is designed, with versatility in mind.

However, I do agree that our fire trait line is pretty garbage, as well as earth past the original 10 points (though I do think Rock Solid is underrated, but that’s a different story.) But we have a lot more options than most other classes do right now.

No offense but..are you kittening serious?
When it was last time you saw an ele using signet of fire and not laugh your lungs off?

Ele got more options than other classes? Pls dude give me a kittening break..truly I mean no disrespect, but this one of the most absurd things I ever read lately on this forum, I can go now and randomly pick 100 eles and they will all run the same traits and utilities, same exact build and you’re telling us that ele got more options than other profession?!…pls stop with this bullkitten!

P.S pls explain us how a d/d aurashare and “normal” d/d ele differ from each other, a single trait change the whole playstyle? really? no I mean REALLY? or how 0/20/0/20/30 is any different from the normal 0/10/0/30/30..same traits and utilities

I said s/d burst, s/d bunker, and d/d aura share. Three viable builds that all play very differently. The traits may be similar, but the runes/sigils/ weapons create a completely different playstyle.

Here are the builds from the last NA tournament : http://www.reddit.com/r/gw2esports/comments/1f4m43/builds_used_in_mmorpg_guild_wars_2_na_invitational/

Every mesmer ran some variation of 20/20/0/0/30. Every Ranger ran beastmastery. Every Guardian but one ran mid point bunker. They all had the same exact playstyle, just a slightly different way of going around it. We have 3 different pvp playstyles.

Frostedblaze.9017:

Chaosky.5276:

Meh, two are extremely similar, and I know scepter/dagger burst is used in high level play, but as far as burst damage goes, it’s pretty lackluster compared to other classes. (Static Discharge engi, dagger/dagger necro, etc.)

Necros are terrible in PvP. They might have some decent burst, but they have no survivability. A burst ele can still survive very well. A burst s/d ele still has 20 points in water, heals every time they switch to water, 2 healing weapon abilities, PLUS our normal heal. And it’s great burst if you’re able to land it all. fire 2, 4, 3+ Earth Swap Arcane Wave Earth 4+ Air swap Air 2 is pretty much a 1 shot combo that gives your entire party 12 stacks of might for 20 seconds.

Well, if your team can prevent the ele from taking 1325.5 damage, then yes, s/d burst eles are pretty good.
I admit, I don’t know nor care much about tPvP (I’m really only concerned with duels and WvW), so if you say they’re worth taking for burst damage over any other class, I’ll take your word for it. Perhaps the roles in tPvP are why you say aurashare plays so differently from a bunker, as well.

Phantaram.1265:

If anything elementalist is still too powerful in spvp. It’s in a really good state compared to most classes so there was no reason to bring up ele when we were only given an hour to talk.

This is why it is silly to make balance changes to any aspect of the game other than s/tPvP based on s/tPvP. Every class has 1-3 “viable” builds and often the classes which are mediocre in other game modes are considered OP in tPvP.

Standing in a circle wearing one of a small set of stats fighting others using one of a small set of stats is unlike anything else in the game.

My old elementalist build which was viable in WvW (and able to kill the cookie cutter tPvP style builds easily enough there) got hit with the same nerfbat meant to whack down the almighty bunker ele. Thanks to elementalists’ OP ability to, um, move fast holding some orb (?) I’ve lost a big part of what made me able to efficiently engage and burst, if for any reason I miss a single RtL I’ve likely lost the fight.

Where they really need to hit bunkers is in the damage. Make it so speccing to heal and survive means not even being able to put enough damage out to pressure an opponent off a point if that’s what it takes. Then buff damage builds enough so they can kill a full healing bunker, and you’ll have an interesting game.

Three viable builds for elementalist with nearly the exact same trait distribution. Okay, you go on living in that fantasy land where the playstyles are sooooo different between spamming attunement swap for buffs and dodge roll healing and um, spamming attunement swaps for buffs and dodge roll healing while sometimes doing some damage.

Show me a build with less than 30 total points in water & arcane using anything besides cantrips and arcane utilities that can even stay alive in tPvP against equally skilled opponents. At least most other profession’s 2-3 viable builds have their trait points in different lines.

This is the flaw inherent in balancing the entire game around the least played aspect. Yes, balance is immensely important in PvP. Still, all balance decisions based on PvP should be PvP only.

EDIT: Thrash beat me to it.

The designers are idiots… what else is new.

I find it funny that apparently ‘aura share’ is a build. Tell me, how is pressing 3 in Air and 4 in water to grant fury and swiftness a ‘playstyle’? There’s hardly any play in it anyway, and you’re only sharing Frost and Shocking aura…if we’re calling that specific tactic a build, you should call it ‘Frost&Shock aura share’ because the actual offensive auras (half the purpose of sharing auras there) you can’t share with daggers.

D/d aura share is about as close to a build as Staff aura share is. They both have 2 auras to share, so….wooptie doo :P

Leo G.4501:

I find it funny that apparently ‘aura share’ is a build. Tell me, how is pressing 3 in Air and 4 in water to grant fury and swiftness a ‘playstyle’? There’s hardly any play in it anyway, and you’re only sharing Frost and Shocking aura…if we’re calling that specific tactic a build, you should call it ‘Frost&Shock aura share’ because the actual offensive auras (half the purpose of sharing auras there) you can’t share with daggers.

D/d aura share is about as close to a build as Staff aura share is. They both have 2 auras to share, so….wooptie doo :P

I was under the impression that Aura Share involved spamming signets for Fire Aura, and thus giving your entire party Fury, Swiftness, and Protection along with the auras themselves.

I don’t think Fire Aura u gain from Signet will be shared though? The same go with Fire Aura through combo Leap through a Fire Field or Magnetic Aura gained from Runes of Earth. They should fix this ASAP.

I don’t even watch that SOTG BS anymore, usually my head starts hurting like 5 minutes in due to constant facepalming. I’ll just let the patch notes surprise me and decide on whether or not to quit their game on a patch-by-patch basis.

PinCushion.7390:

Leo G.4501:

I find it funny that apparently ‘aura share’ is a build. Tell me, how is pressing 3 in Air and 4 in water to grant fury and swiftness a ‘playstyle’? There’s hardly any play in it anyway, and you’re only sharing Frost and Shocking aura…if we’re calling that specific tactic a build, you should call it ‘Frost&Shock aura share’ because the actual offensive auras (half the purpose of sharing auras there) you can’t share with daggers.

D/d aura share is about as close to a build as Staff aura share is. They both have 2 auras to share, so….wooptie doo :P

I was under the impression that Aura Share involved spamming signets for Fire Aura, and thus giving your entire party Fury, Swiftness, and Protection along with the auras themselves.

If that were the build in question, perhaps. But that wasn’t the build mentioned as a d/d aura share build above. Such a build would require a fast recharging signet or two though but, IMO, all the signets are too lackluster to sacrifice just to spam for auras and you’ll still need a cantrip somewhere in there for stunbreak, likely condition removal, and a few other goodies required to survive. Said aura share build would definitely be ‘a build’ but how many people use that one? How many actually venture away from the Arcane trait line completely? Such a build would require 20/10/10/30/0…

And yes, auras from Fire’s Embrace are shared. It’s a niche build but feels like it sacrifices a lot just to share auras…if you went the selfish route, you could improve your signet use so you never lose their effect, and recharging faster, making Signet of Restoration the best heal while keeping your auras contained to yourself….or dip into Arcane so swapping to earth gives 2-auras worth of protection + more fury…

Meh, I’m rambling now :X

Ah yes, those where the times. The time when mistform made it possible to spend my trait points somewhere else instead of a 30 arcane line. The diversity of Elementalists died with that mistform nerf.

I have to agree with makko. I cant watch that crap anymore.

Too bad it was only about the creme de la creme of hi end tPVP. At some point i really thought they give a kitten.

I think it’s misnamed as State of The Game. It should be called State of tPvP Meta.

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

Phantaram.1265:

If anything elementalist is still too powerful in spvp. It’s in a really good state compared to most classes so there was no reason to bring up ele when we were only given an hour to talk.

Seriously? too powerful? I’ll agree that the Ele is in a good place compared to others. So, how about this, focus on bringing other classes up instead of wildly swinging nerf bats at classes that still have some viability.

I still think Ele weapon diversity should be improved. I do like my scepter, but I want to be able to use my Staff and Focus more….not that I don’t already use them, but I’d like to still feel confident about my weapon of choice while Obsidian Flesh or Frozen Ground are on cooldown.

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

emikochan.8504:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

He’s referring to Weakness getting better, which would buff Staff – Earth 1

PinCushion.7390:

emikochan.8504:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

He’s referring to Weakness getting better, which would buff Staff – Earth 1

But that’s not really a buff to Elementalist. Pretty much a buff to all non-Asura-Mesmer professions.

PinCushion.7390:

emikochan.8504:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

He’s referring to Weakness getting better, which would buff Staff – Earth 1

I wish there was more reason to stay in Earth and take advantage of the auto-attack.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

PinCushion.7390:

emikochan.8504:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

He’s referring to Weakness getting better, which would buff Staff – Earth 1

I wish there was more reason to stay in Earth and take advantage of the auto-attack.

100% Projectile Finisher?

I usually end up with a couple extra seconds of Chill from tossing the Earth auto and Shockwave into my chill field.

PinCushion.7390:

emikochan.8504:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist are getting a huge buff soon.

haha good one :p

He’s referring to Weakness getting better, which would buff Staff – Earth 1

And Dagger – Air 2.

Glyph of Elemental Power will get better as well, as it gives 6s worth of weakness, which should allow you to maintain it pretty easily.

But the weakness change will buff necros and warriors the most.

I found the Necro and Warrior whining hiliarious.

1) ANet creates a game where avoiding damage is far superior to taking it on the chin.

2) ANet is surprised that their “Bag o Hitpoints” classes can’t stay “In the Pocket” long enough to be effective.

0.o

Elementalist has very easy access to weakness.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Elemental_Power
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stoning
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Touch

Elementalist has a way easier chance to apply weakness then most other classes, I think you will all be suprised when the changes come in and weakness is lowering enemy damage by 25-33%, it would open up an AIR dps build for ele, because you could throw up perma weakness on your targets.

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist has very easy access to weakness.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Elemental_Power
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stoning
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Touch

Elementalist has a way easier chance to apply weakness then most other classes, I think you will all be suprised when the changes come in and weakness is lowering enemy damage by 25-33%, it would open up an AIR dps build for ele, because you could throw up perma weakness on your targets.

It would be interesting to see if you could base a build around weakness and then adding cover conditions. It would make for different fights and possibly reduce the need for bunker builds. (Possibly.)

I’ll be interested to see the theory-crafters get to work once weakness changes are implemented.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalist has very easy access to weakness.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Elemental_Power
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stoning
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Touch

Elementalist has a way easier chance to apply weakness then most other classes, I think you will all be suprised when the changes come in and weakness is lowering enemy damage by 25-33%, it would open up an AIR dps build for ele, because you could throw up perma weakness on your targets.

It would be interesting to see if you could base a build around weakness and then adding cover conditions. It would make for different fights and possibly reduce the need for bunker builds. (Possibly.)

I’ll be interested to see the theory-crafters get to work once weakness changes are implemented.

More likely, it’ll create bunker builds that stack Protection and Weakness to become SUPER BUNKERS!