Guild Wars 2

Can we discuss this for a second. I would really like to find a way for shouts to get into Ele builds but I have a hard time finding them do so because still don’t synergy as well as Cantrips do (remember cantrips get better with trait involving). And water provides all sorts of protection where Cantrips just shine.

Now as for Shouts… What Ele can use them? Eye of the Storm is the only “worthy” one that can get into a mix with Cantrip build. But what about the others?

I guess… our main sort of defense is poping Overcharge for the protection (but that has nothing to do with Shouts). So it’s overchage for protection and Shouts for weakness…

Now what about Stealthy users, do they get weakness if I pop a shout even if I don’t have them targeted? So can it kinda serve as a SOS call when you’re about to get stealthy spiked down?

EDIT: My fear is that with Shouts nothing is gonna change. That many will be left behind like some Conjures/Glyphs that people never use and only rely on that single one. While the other 2 Utility spots are occupied by Cantrips.
And no, this doesn’t mean ANet I want you to nerf Cantrips but kinda give us more options regarding surviving encounters.

EDIT 2: And if survivability gets migrated to Weapons, then we would require damage worthy Utility (but tbh weapons are always gonna be the choice for damage)

Shouts are really close to being good, but they’re currently slightly overvalued by ANet.

If they had a Shout CDR trait and all the utility (non-Elite, non-Heal) Shouts were insta-cast, they’d be fine. Soldier/Trooper Rune interaction with Shouts makes them all condi cleanses, which, combined with a theoreticaly CDR trait, lets them be spammable enough to be decent.

But two of the utility shouts have cast times and their cooldowns are just a little bit too long without a CDR trait.

Exactly Neko. 20% CD on tempestious aria and flash freeze + shock/aftershok instant and woot shout builds kick in. At least something tempest is worth for :-).

Wolfric.9380:

Exactly Neko. 20% CD on tempestious aria and flash freeze + shock/aftershok instant and woot shout builds kick in. At least something tempest is worth for :-).

And how will those kick in? Since I have cripple/immo/chill on my weapon regularly?

Traited shouts will become a good option. They give might/weakness/aura/heal and as instant can be used while overloading/channeling. This is a nice mix of party support, defence and a bit damage. It can be used as shout build or in aura builds. Its not fully focused to one thing so its impact might not be so noticeable, but it will do so much things that the whole party sustain is boosted.
There is a drawback. To get a viable impact you should put at least three shouts on your toolbar. Best all three aura shouts. So you forfit all cantrips or stunbreakers. This means the shouts must compete with traited cantrips to be viable.
And with the rest of tempest being no match for other spec lines this means make aura shouts good or tempest is done.

Wolfric.9380:

Traited shouts will become a good option. They give might/weakness/aura/heal and as instant can be used while overloading/channeling. This is a nice mix of party support, defence and a bit damage. It can be used as shout build or in aura builds. Its not fully focused to one thing so its impact might not be so noticeable, but it will do so much things that the whole party sustain is boosted.
There is a drawback. To get a viable impact you should put at least three shouts on your toolbar. Best all three aura shouts. So you forfit all cantrips or stunbreakers. This means the shouts must compete with traited cantrips to be viable.
And with the rest of tempest being no match for other spec lines this means make aura shouts good or tempest is done.

Eye of the storm is a stunbreaker, so running 3 shouts would be the equivalent of 3 cantrips set up in that regard ( CF, LF and AE as the only stunbreaker )

But its no aura shout :-). Yes you can put it as shout but no aura means no heal and boons like zephyrs boon too :-).

Welcome to the numerous problems plaguing the Tempest spec.

Tempest gains zero innate survivability so it’s still 100% reliant on Water to take care of Conditions, Arcane for survivability boons and Cantrips Utilities to stay alive.

Why would you need an self def skill when you already have them if you want to run them. The ideal not to just copy old skill under an new name. Shout utility are about supporting your pt cantrips are about self def only.

You need defense skills to survive. The “ideal” is to give something to replace the need for the old thing. There’s lots of other utilities that we have but they don’t get used because we always have to go back to Cantrips to live.

Kodiak.3281:

You need defense skills to survive. The “ideal” is to give something to replace the need for the old thing. There’s lots of other utilities that we have but they don’t get used because we always have to go back to Cantrips to live.

If that the plan then you need to removing the abitly to use some utilities from the elite spec. So tempest (if you want more def skill) would not be able to use cantrips. The problem you start to make by making more def skills is you run into full def utilities builds on other and this one you would start to see unkillable builds that can do high dmg becuse they are unkilling due to there utilities.

Mind you i still think all elite spec should lose something from there base classes. The abitly to use a line the abitly to use an wepon and a utilities set.

So for tempest you will have you shout “AoE” your cantrip AoE your arcain AoE and you signet AoE!