Guild Wars 2

Oh. Mai. Gawd.

I was taking out enemies in 2-3 hits in PvE as a LEVEL 20 Thief in Masterwork Gear that took me 4-5 hits when I was a LEVEL 60 ele in rare gear!

I cannot believe the difference. I am now a level 22 thief w/ masterwork gear, surviving WvW battles just as easy as my level 80 ele in rare/exotic gear! What is the point in even having the elementalist class in this game? Are ele’s true purpose just to be cannon fodder?

I am not trolling here guys, I’m really just stunned at how weak ele’s are compared to thieves. I really thought I was just bad at the game cuz I was constantly getting my butt handed to me in WvW, but now that I see how easy it is to kill and survive as a thief, I’m realizing ele’s are just an extremely handicapped class.

So now that I know how big a disadvantage ele’s have, I really thought this patch would buff the elementalist. So I don’t get it, reading the release notes from the patch, is why do ele’s constantly get nerfed way more than the other professions? If warriors, engineers and other professions are anywhere near as badarse as thieves, ele’s should be getting buffed like crazy to even have a chance. And why do people come in this forum and say “ele’s are too powerful, they need to get nerfed more” and “if you’re dying easy as an ele you need to learn how to play”? Am I missing something?! They aren’t serious, they’re trolling right?

So I’m done with my ele. I loved playing him, having so many moves to choose from was a lot of fun, but now that I know I can play this game with a lot less frustration I just can’t justify wasting any more time with a profession that is weak sauce to begin with and keeps getting weaker.

Right lol they say it’s over powered but then turn around and say you need to learn to play if your dying >.>

how can it be over powered yet you die unless you don’t know how to play with it?

so it takes skill to use but it’s also over powered. . . yeah its easier to just call em trolls

deek.6520:

Right lol they say it’s over powered but then turn around and say you need to learn to play if your dying >.>

how can it be over powered yet you die unless you don’t know how to play with it?

so it takes skill to use but it’s also over powered. . . yeah its easier to just call em trolls

Please try to talk more sense because I do not understand you!

When there is a game such as ESO just on the horizon you don’t nerf your weaker class.
I will not start a thief from scratch because I have too much time invested in my ele. I’ll just “move on” when the time comes and discover another game’s lazy attempt at balancing instead.

Thief does have nice burst at 80. I’ve just invested so much time on my ele I want it to be competitive.

Uh, perspective works both ways, you know? I main a thief, but I wanted to learn more about the elementalist, so I made one (adorable little thing too, I might add) and got through the story intro, then headed straight into the mists. I didn’t bother changing any of the traits around, I took a scepter and a dagger and then read all of my skill descriptions in the hopes of remembering one or two of them in battle, then I jumped into hotjoin. I went through the next several matches pressing skills 5-1 (in that order), changing attunements, then pressing 5-1 all over again. An absolutely dumb way to play, but I was amazed at how unkillable I was compared to the thief. I had no idea that you could mist form and then heal…if I had known that, I would have abused it sooo much. At any rate, I think that your claim that the elementalist is weak is an exaggeration. If you’ve put time into it and you enjoy the playstyle, then don’t give it up.

Kitcat.1739:

Uh, perspective works both ways, you know? I main a thief, but I wanted to learn more about the elementalist, so I made one (adorable little thing too, I might add) and got through the story intro, then headed straight into the mists. I didn’t bother changing any of the traits around, I took a scepter and a dagger and then read all of my skill descriptions in the hopes of remembering one or two of them in battle, then I jumped into hotjoin. I went through the next several matches pressing skills 5-1 (in that order), changing attunements, then pressing 5-1 all over again. An absolutely dumb way to play, but I was amazed at how unkillable I was compared to the thief. I had no idea that you could mist form and then heal…if I had known that, I would have abused it sooo much. At any rate, I think that your claim that the elementalist is weak is an exaggeration. If you’ve put time into it and you enjoy the playstyle, then don’t give it up.

Erm, you can`t mist form & heal.

CuteLilKittenHugz.2064:

Oh. Mai. Gawd.

I was taking out enemies in 2-3 hits in PvE as a LEVEL 20 Thief in Masterwork Gear that took me 4-5 hits when I was a LEVEL 60 ele in rare gear!

I cannot believe the difference. I am now a level 22 thief w/ masterwork gear, surviving WvW battles just as easy as my level 80 ele in rare/exotic gear! What is the point in even having the elementalist class in this game? Are ele’s true purpose just to be cannon fodder?

I am not trolling here guys, I’m really just stunned at how weak ele’s are compared to thieves. I really thought I was just bad at the game cuz I was constantly getting my butt handed to me in WvW, but now that I see how easy it is to kill and survive as a thief, I’m realizing ele’s are just an extremely handicapped class.

So now that I know how big a disadvantage ele’s have, I really thought this patch would buff the elementalist. So I don’t get it, reading the release notes from the patch, is why do ele’s constantly get nerfed way more than the other professions? If warriors, engineers and other professions are anywhere near as badarse as thieves, ele’s should be getting buffed like crazy to even have a chance. And why do people come in this forum and say “ele’s are too powerful, they need to get nerfed more” and “if you’re dying easy as an ele you need to learn how to play”? Am I missing something?! They aren’t serious, they’re trolling right?

So I’m done with my ele. I loved playing him, having so many moves to choose from was a lot of fun, but now that I know I can play this game with a lot less frustration I just can’t justify wasting any more time with a profession that is weak sauce to begin with and keeps getting weaker.

You`re not wrong, Thief has it easy mode.
Oh, you also forgot to mention stealthing whilst downing someone, making the whole downed state even more pointless then it already is

Fishbait.6723:

CuteLilKittenHugz.2064:

Oh. Mai. Gawd.

I was taking out enemies in 2-3 hits in PvE as a LEVEL 20 Thief in Masterwork Gear that took me 4-5 hits when I was a LEVEL 60 ele in rare gear!

I cannot believe the difference. I am now a level 22 thief w/ masterwork gear, surviving WvW battles just as easy as my level 80 ele in rare/exotic gear! What is the point in even having the elementalist class in this game? Are ele’s true purpose just to be cannon fodder?

I am not trolling here guys, I’m really just stunned at how weak ele’s are compared to thieves. I really thought I was just bad at the game cuz I was constantly getting my butt handed to me in WvW, but now that I see how easy it is to kill and survive as a thief, I’m realizing ele’s are just an extremely handicapped class.

So now that I know how big a disadvantage ele’s have, I really thought this patch would buff the elementalist. So I don’t get it, reading the release notes from the patch, is why do ele’s constantly get nerfed way more than the other professions? If warriors, engineers and other professions are anywhere near as badarse as thieves, ele’s should be getting buffed like crazy to even have a chance. And why do people come in this forum and say “ele’s are too powerful, they need to get nerfed more” and “if you’re dying easy as an ele you need to learn how to play”? Am I missing something?! They aren’t serious, they’re trolling right?

So I’m done with my ele. I loved playing him, having so many moves to choose from was a lot of fun, but now that I know I can play this game with a lot less frustration I just can’t justify wasting any more time with a profession that is weak sauce to begin with and keeps getting weaker.

You`re not wrong, Thief has it easy mode.
Oh, you also forgot to mention stealthing whilst downing someone, making the whole downed state even more pointless then it already is

Sure, because mist form stomping isnt way stronger than stealth stomping lol

Hazor.3140:

Sure, because mist form stomping isnt way stronger than stealth stomping lol

Yea. Burning a 90s cd utility skill is totally comparable to 60% of the fight stealth….

Slomo.1029:

Hazor.3140:

Sure, because mist form stomping isnt way stronger than stealth stomping lol

Yea. Burning a 90s cd utility skill is totally comparable to 60% of the fight stealth….

Mist form has 75s CD
Plus you can only cast a full duration stomp using shadow refuge, a 60cd utility, and stealth hardly gets you invulnerable and thief has no source of stability whatsoever

Talking about stomps, not specific class mechanics such as the ability to re-apply stealth a thief has :P

Edit: I was wrong, you can actually do a full stomp from stealth if you have the “Meld with shadows trait”, the part about not being invulnerable and no source of stability still stands, since the only downed skills that wont really stop the thief from stomping are the warrior and engineer #2

I think the 4/30 nerfs were aimed at top-tier Ele players. Casual players just have to deal with the collateral damage.

Eles are good at surviving and team support.

Thieves are good at killing, and surviving due to stealth and mobility.

Both have their merits.

I’ve gotta say that I’m not happy about the kitten damage eles have, though, and I don’t like the theme of any other class but the engi, so it’s a pretty “bleh” situation for me.

Hazor.3140:

Edit: I was wrong, you can actually do a full stomp from stealth if you have the “Meld with shadows trait”, the part about not being invulnerable and no source of stability still stands, since the only downed skills that wont really stop the thief from stomping are the warrior and engineer #2

Add Ranger and Necro to the list.

Mesmers Eles and Thieves can escape from an Mist stomping Ele too, so the only difference is with a Guardian.

Slomo.1029:

Hazor.3140:

Sure, because mist form stomping isnt way stronger than stealth stomping lol

Yea. Burning a 90s cd utility skill is totally comparable to 60% of the fight stealth….

Stealth stomp protects you against the guy you stomp. Mist form protects you against him and all his friends that know what they do.

Seriously, just wave your sword above your downed friend a couple times and get ready to stomp the thief back after he reappears.

maddoctor.2738:

Hazor.3140:

Edit: I was wrong, you can actually do a full stomp from stealth if you have the “Meld with shadows trait”, the part about not being invulnerable and no source of stability still stands, since the only downed skills that wont really stop the thief from stomping are the warrior and engineer #2

Add Ranger and Necro to the list.

Mesmers Eles and Thieves can escape from an Mist stomping Ele too, so the only difference is with a Guardian.

And blinding a downed guardian stops their #2 from working, and I have blind-on-stealth traited on my thief. Even without that trait, thieves have an abundance of blind options.

ahahah cry more baby.
reroll thief, then mesmer, warrior, engi … and every other fotm class… shame on you.

stof.9341:

Slomo.1029:

Hazor.3140:

Sure, because mist form stomping isnt way stronger than stealth stomping lol

Yea. Burning a 90s cd utility skill is totally comparable to 60% of the fight stealth….

Stealth stomp protects you against the guy you stomp. Mist form protects you against him and all his friends that know what they do.

Seriously, just wave your sword above your downed friend a couple times and get ready to stomp the thief back after he reappears.

Works only if you are playing a sword swinging class, the thief is total glass (and probably you, if a couple sword swings down him), he doesn’t blind you or use haste or both. So basically if he’s trying to rambo-stomp someone inside a zerg without the skills and build to pull it off. An elementalist built glassy pulling that move would melt before he got close enough to stomp anyway, and a tanky stealth specced thief ain’t going down to a few random aoes and sword swings.

The elementalist might get that stomp off, but if he was the one who downed the enemy, it was upleveled or squishy as heck and anything could have done the same job.

One guaranteed stomp every 60 seconds (traited) is far less useful than a very likely stomp possibility every 4-5 seconds. Really not sure how people can even compare the two.

Thrashbarg.9820:

One guaranteed stomp every 60 seconds (traited) is far less useful than a very likely stomp possibility every 4-5 seconds. Really not sure how people can even compare the two.

Because they’re determined to get ANet to nerf all classes but their pet ones into loot pinatas.

Kaleban.9834:

Because they’re determined to get ANet to nerf all classes but their pet ones into loot pinatas.

NO! I am loving my thief! The LAST thing I want is for thieves or any other classes to get nerfed! Why do some people (esp Anet) think the way to balance the game is to nerf the great things about it into the ground? There is a MUCH better and obvious way to balance things and that is to grant buffs.

I think (at least I hope) that’s what most of us really want, just give us ALL six viable professions to choose from, all awesome in their own way, none so far above another.

if you play www there are 3 roflstomp classes:

Zerg fights:
Necro
Mesmer

Roaming:
Thief

They are balanced in WWW like warriors in PvE…oh but now those 3,5 pvp players are happy they will clearly be an esport….

Eles are underpowered in PvE… and have one build that was arguably overpowered in PvP/WvW. It takes way, way more effort to kill mobs as an Ele and most of the time you’re going to have a much harder time surviving, but Water+Arcana Cantrip Eles were (are?) basically unkillable in any sort of PvP situation unless they screwed up or got nailed by boon strips at the right time while also having really good mobility and CC.