Guild Wars 2

Warrior laughed at me for 10sec while i barely could break his healing signet trying to kill him, then used eviscerate, 16k crit…

I think I’m done.

Ive never seen anything crit 16k on my 2500 armor + perma protectio..hint hint do t go glass canon…

Ah the times whe firegrab could do 16k…

I got in to a fight with a warrior on point a week ago, we were both built full bunker, after four solid minutes of fighting uninterrupted, we realized there was absolutely no way we could possibly kill each other.

But after another minute or two, he had the point. Why? Because we both survived with our invulnerability skills and heals. My invulnerability prevented capping, his did not. His healing and condition clear also never went on CD and could not be interrupted. I had to use timing and positioning to keep him from interrupting my heal, so he could potentially harass me off point. Whereas he had to stand in a single spot with no healing power investment to get the second best sustain in the game, and because no healing investment was required, he had significantly better damage than me. If he had actually been required to slot healing power, our damage would have been even and I would have hung him out to dry in under a minute. But balance and skill requirement are concepts which the development team does not apply to the warrior.

I can’t blame you for wanting to leave. Warriors are not balanced or fun to play against by any measure and they are practically single-handedly destroying PvP. And to make it worse the developers have made it pretty clear by their actions that the only reason warriors aren’t dealt with is personal bias on their part.

But honestly, the game is still good, you can find fun elsewhere if you look for it, just stay out of PvP until the current horrible team (hopefully someday) gets shuffled out and someone who actually cares about more than their personal playtime gets put in.

There is a dodge button in this game.

a t s e.9614:

There is a dodge button in this game.

Yeah, you dodge, and the warrior dodges, while the warrior continually heals. ANY defensive maneuver you OR an enemy warrior employs increases the effectiveness of his healing signet. There is no response to this skill that does not work in the warriors favor.

renss.5764:

Ive never seen anything crit 16k on my 2500 armor + perma protectio..hint hint do t go glass canon…

I have 2540 armor btw….

3x celestial, 3xpvt… Your arguement is flawed.

With a 0-30-0-20-20 build.

a t s e.9614:

There is a dodge button in this game.

So a dodge button is a counter to being one shot. I get you, aha, yeah. Has nothing to do with balance being kittening broken at all… nope.

Conncept.7638:

just stay out of PvP until the current horrible team (hopefully someday) gets shuffled out and someone who actually cares gets put in.

Unfortunately I hate the pve in gw2, no skill to it, just zerg. pvp is what i enjoy, so to me, balance is the most important aspect of the game. After waiting months for a new balance patch, things will not change as even though one shotting will not happen due to ferocity changes, it also means that my own damage will suffer more and just bolster the healing signet’s performance.

If you dodge eviscerate, that is still a point in war’s favor. He wastes your endurance and he can just swap to second weaponset and use burst on that. And eviscerate will be off cooldown on next swap. It is very hard to make a wrong move as warrior as long as you keep weapon swapping and using skills and bursts off cooldown (war cooldowns are very low).

Also if he has shield you have to dodge shield bash AND eviscerate in order to dodge eviscerate. Hope you have full endurance.

the axe 3 with leg specialist also allows for easy eviscerate.

Just to help out the community – I rolled a warrior yesterday. Now, just because I have one, ANet is guaranteed to nerf it into the ground.

You’re welcome. xD

The warrior doesnt need to dodge he just stances and becomes immune to your burst, cc and condis, while passively healing while waiting for evis to get back from the cooldown

Conncept.7638:

a t s e.9614:

There is a dodge button in this game.

Yeah, you dodge, and the warrior dodges, while the warrior continually heals. ANY defensive maneuver you OR an enemy warrior employs increases the effectiveness of his healing signet. There is no response to this skill that does not work in the warriors favor.

I want to make it clear that Healing Signet ALONE is not the reason Warriors can outheal a lot of damage. It is the combination of HS, Adrenal Health, and food buffs. I’m not saying it isn’t annoying to deal with (as someone who mains a Warrior and uses HS and Adrenal Health), but it isn’t ONE thing that is making Warriors have great sustain.

1 shot 16k evis from full to zero? Axe wars almost all play the same they run bullscharge and shield good warriors(still predictable) wait for you to dodge then shield bash or bullscharge about mid of your dodge so that you get hit when you come out of the animation then evis right after.

It’s almost the same setup for every axe war evis on your mid dodge or one of the rush attacks either way you should be prepared to double dodge. I don’t find axe warrior that difficult they are usually very squishy. The axe auto damage is on the backend now before axe warriors where much harder to fight then now because the axe auto dps was crazy strong.

Sounds like an l2p issue man. If its an axe warrior you should have an internal timer always running (or against any class) based off the meta traits and 90% of the time you can be ready for these things with a blinding flash, dust devil, updraft, rock barrier, shocking aura, frost aura, dodge, protection, updraft, mistform, arcane shield, frozen blast, magnetic grasp, lightning touch, even a kittening weapon swap because as a d/d ele hydromancy should ALWAYS be in play for a roaming situation. I could go on with all the skills you could sue on every weapon to prevent a one shot from happening, but I think you get the point. The point is – you kittened up, that was obviously a glass warrior so if your build has even a tinge of offense and you had the slightest idea about burst rotations and anticipating other player’s moves this could have EASILY been prevented. I’m going to say what I say to most ele’s who qq about not enough defense. I have 3k hours on ele, the class is the highest skill cap with a lower reward ceiling, so basically, you have to know what you’re doing to play this class, if you ate an eviscerate, that is a personal problem because last time I checked perma prot on an ele is not hard at all to achieve bringing that evis to 9-10k(ish) and leaving him with only the option to auto attack on axe. Also, I don’t believe you have 2500 armor because that means this guy is near PvE spec warrior and probably has quite a bit of might to eat through 2500 armor and still crit 16k… I could get into theorycrafting formulas about how much attack he would have to have to hit you for 16k through “2500 armor” and what his crit damage would have to be, leaving him with very little armor or vitality and making him an easy drop for a fresh air ele. Also, if this guy is running the bulls charge combo and you can’t dodge a bull’s charge… There are larger issues at play here than warrior being op. It’s more like you can’t dodge or even stunbreak one of the oldest combos in this game. Also, I scrolled up and saw you ran 0/30/0/20/20. That’s the other half of your problem – you’re running fresh air. That build/trait is good for one thing.. Killing people before they kill you. If you can’t burst someone down in a matter of seconds, go back to PvE, because bursting someone properly on fresh air is like playing the piano. And if that air trait is 30 in air and you are running tempest defense just go ahead and reroll. Want my honest opinion? You said “I think I’m done”.. I really hope you are done because there are SO many defensive abilities an elementalist has and I am so tired of reading post after post about ele being “too squishy” when in reality its just people who can’t meet the skill cap and shouldn’t play ele anyway.

Vylor.3276:

Sounds like an l2p issue man. If its an axe warrior you should have an internal timer always running (or against any class)

You sir are mental…..

He’s pressed 1 key and one shot for 16k dmg. How the kitten do you think it’s a l2p issue.

Plus I’ll 1v1 you any day

I got hit for 14k yesterday by fresh air ele and that was in spvp … I think the only way to play ele is maximum burst, kill people before they kill you.

a t s e.9614:

I got hit for 14k yesterday by fresh air ele and that was in spvp … I think the only way to play ele is maximum burst, kill people before they kill you.

Which ability did 14k? Without any screens or any info on your stats as well it’s a bit… difficult to believe, unless they used several abilities in succession

Vylor.3276:

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This guy is right on all points.

Frankly, I think the op is baiting ele complaints. There is no way a good build gets hit for 16k from a single attack while barely dealing more damage than healing signet heals on a stationary target. There are eles that are extremely difficult to kill for all the reasons Vylor listed plus some he didn’t. Burst eles can deal very good damage. If the warrior was really standing still laughing, only endure pain should have prevented a kill with 30 air magic. Someone that dies quickly while barely dealing damage is playing terribly, wearing green gear or both. Even taking Anet’s dubious balance decisions and love for warriors into account, this particular anecdote is definitely learn to play.

Also, thank you. Somebody else knows how good hydromancy sigils are for d/d ele. Most people just use battle for bigger numbers, but hydromancy does so much more for dagger main-hand while still dealing damage. I switched from battle to hydro many months ago and never looked back.

a t s e.9614:

Swim.6830:

a t s e.9614:

I got hit for 14k yesterday by fresh air ele and that was in spvp … I think the only way to play ele is maximum burst, kill people before they kill you.

Which ability did 14k? Without any screens or any info on your stats as well it’s a bit… difficult to believe, unless they used several abilities in succession

Phoenix+ port ( I believe lighting flash or some stuff like that) did 14k damage and its almost impossible to dodge cuz its an instant teleport.

The teleport does around 2k, and I see no phoenix do 12k…

Any way you cut it, it’s a utility plus probably 2-3 more abilities or more. The secondary abilities can be dodged and I should mention all Ele abilities are so telegraphed that if you can’t dodge them, well then…

There are other classes that do that damage in one or 2 abilities which are quite less telegraphed and harder to dodge.

The burst Ele, as you mentioned is like playing a kitten thief as you can’t just reset the fight.

I call bs.

If you were full glasscannon, he should have dropped in one combo.
If you were tanky, you wouldn’t have dropped in one Eviscerate.

Swim.6830:

Ah the times whe firegrab could do 16k…

Providing you were able to land the kitten ed thing.

Hanako.1827:

Swim.6830:

Ah the times whe firegrab could do 16k…

Providing you were able to land the kitten ed thing.

But the re-use timer was warranted then! It kind of rewarded skillful play. Now it’s like, oh hey it’s off cooldown so lets try it…

Today I got jumpshotted for 6k as a balanced build 2.4k armor or so. I wish ride the lightning or burning speed or earthquake critted for as much as easily…

People actually run fresh air? Tempest defense 0/30/25/10/5 is the best burst spec in game and let’s you instantly delete 1 person from a fight.

Swim.6830:

a t s e.9614:

Swim.6830:

a t s e.9614:

I got hit for 14k yesterday by fresh air ele and that was in spvp … I think the only way to play ele is maximum burst, kill people before they kill you.

Which ability did 14k? Without any screens or any info on your stats as well it’s a bit… difficult to believe, unless they used several abilities in succession

Phoenix+ port ( I believe lighting flash or some stuff like that) did 14k damage and its almost impossible to dodge cuz its an instant teleport.

The teleport does around 2k, and I see no phoenix do 12k…

Any way you cut it, it’s a utility plus probably 2-3 more abilities or more. The secondary abilities can be dodged and I should mention all Ele abilities are so telegraphed that if you can’t dodge them, well then…

There are other classes that do that damage in one or 2 abilities which are quite less telegraphed and harder to dodge.

The burst Ele, as you mentioned is like playing a kitten thief as you can’t just reset the fight.

I could see a double pass through+ explosion on phoenix doing 12k

sorrychief.2563:

People actually run fresh air? Tempest defense 0/30/25/10/5 is the best burst spec in game and let’s you instantly delete 1 person from a fight.

It’s such an awesome trait and i’d pick it over Fresh Air any day.

never seen eviscerate hit that much on my ele, but I have been one shot by warrior’s Killshot. Hit me for 18k dmg and that ability has good range too >.>

I have 1600 toughness