Guild Wars 2

Which profession and build can hit a ~2.7 armor target from 1200 range for 6k damage on a regular basis and cannot be avoided by strafing?

The fact that you’re locking yourself into a tank build right away as there’s no other viable at all speaks for itself, but anyway, to “answer” your question, I didn’t mention anything about ranged attacks. But hey, if sitting stationary in a tower for hours so no one ever has the slightest chance to get to you in melee range, that’s fine.

lol at OP. Forced to use staff? Since when? I’ve been using D/D since the first BWE and I love it. Mind you, I do carry a staff and scepter in case I need range/better support or aoe skills, but that’s pretty rare.

Arah with D/D? Np, did that. In fact, I’m normally the one in my groups in any dungeon to die the least. And in many cases I’m the one tanking mobs/bosses.

WvW? Unless I’m defending a keep or tower I’m D/D. 1v1 and you run like a chicken? You must not know the power the ele has already. Of course we are lacking compared to some classes and have bugs up the wazoo, but that doesn’t mean we’re weak by any means.

I play pve, wvw, and spvp and use D/D at least 90% of the time in all of them. If you’re using class cannon, then no wonder you’re dying. D/D isn’t really meant for a class cannon build.

Overall, there is a L2P factor as I think ele is an extremely hard class to learn. But, there are several bugs with skills and traits which limit us a lot. If you’re having a hard time with D/D then maybe it doesn’t fit your play style. Each weapon has it’s place, and each player plays differently. The different weapons warrant different play styles.

If you don’t like playing elementalist, then leave them to us that knows how to use them. I’m doing an amazing job farming gold. I’m doing a great job in wvw, also when I’m forced to 1v1 coward thiefs that stealth 99% of the time. Sure it’s tough but play your cards right and you can beat any class. Of course there will always be people better than you, so you won’t win every 1vs1 even if you learn how to use your skills properly.

As far as dungeons goes, I’ve just started doing them, but I see no problems whatsoever.

LOL at the last two trolls. Tanking bosses in dungeons with DD?? Thanks for the laugh.

I think some people saying its perfectly fine are either the wannabe elite in a few trolls -.-

Had one guy say the ele was overpowered -.-

but anyway, to “answer” your question, I didn’t mention anything about ranged attacks.

So you are complaining that profession A deals more damage at 130 range than profession B at 1200 range. Sounds legit…

Anyone saying they “Tank” either means they are able to hold enemy for around a dozen seconds before backing off or they are simply trolling using the trinity definition of tank. Between the CCs, regen, protection, and vigor from an Aura D/D build, eles can hold aggro fairly well.

I find story mode dungeons simple to run through with D/D. Explorable mode dungeons I haven’t had much chance to go through, have only done the three paths for AC. I did all of my post level 50 personal story with D/D. I’ve been running solo through Orr running D/D to try and 100% the areas. D/D is very capable, there’s only a few situations where it doesn’t make sense to be close range, but those situations apply to any other profession as well not just ele.

To be quite honest, I think you’re all overreacting a bit. Yes, there are some things about the Elementalist that don’t work well. And yes, good player skill can compensate for most of those shortcomings.

Seriously, it’s been said by now. Playing the Elementalist takes skill, we know that now. Maybe more than other professions. A buff will come when it will come. Cluttering the forum will only make it take longer because Anet has to read so much junk to get to the actual feedback.

So let’s all agree:

A newbie with an Elementalist = underpowered.
A pro with an Elementalist = balanced.
A god-like player with an Elementalist = just arrogant. You’re not half as good as you may thing you are.

Masternewbz.4953:

Shows lack of knowlodge about the game, you instead of making yourself look good, you are acutally making yourself look bad.

Some bosses in EM dungeons 2-3 hit KO Warriors, how are you saying u take them with D/D?

Um…have some vit on your gear and keep protection up? Don’t get hit too much? While insulting others’ lack knowledge you’re exposing your own.

Not saying it’s not a lot more effort to get things done on ele than many other classes — it is! But these tirades attacking the community are ignorant, childish and unhelpful.

Imo either take constructive tips and work with the class as it is until balance/bugs get sorted out; or reroll already and stop “gracing” us with your presence. If a game has got you this worked up, you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

Rainshine.5493:

Masternewbz.4953:

Shows lack of knowlodge about the game, you instead of making yourself look good, you are acutally making yourself look bad.

Some bosses in EM dungeons 2-3 hit KO Warriors, how are you saying u take them with D/D?

Um…have some vit on your gear and keep protection up? Don’t get hit too much? While insulting others’ lack knowledge you’re exposing your own.

Not saying it’s not a lot more effort to get things done on ele than many other classes — it is! But these tirades attacking the community are ignorant, childish and unhelpful.

Imo either take constructive tips and work with the class as it is until balance/bugs get sorted out; or reroll already and stop “gracing” us with your presence. If a game has got you this worked up, you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

a game did?

naw, just some nerds trying to e-pride.

More effort? Not talking about effort, talking about EFFICENCY. Farm FAST. Down other opponents FAST. Thats called effiency.

We cant do ANYTHING better than other class, except support and CC skills.

Im going to stop replying to some nerds, at least back up your words with some vids and “grace” us with your awnsome elementalist skills.

Lets have some laughs.

if you look up "whats the first mmo on wikipedia.. it prolly says WOW
but for those of us who were born before broadband… we had neverwinter nights.
no
not THAT neverwinternights… the other one me and your dad used to play back when he was in college and I was in highschool.
internet back then you had to pay PER MINUTE and I remember getting grounded after running up a $200 phone bill (back then you had to use the phone line to log on to the internet) $200 back then we about half what you would pay for rent of a 1 bedroom apt. so today that would be like you running up a $800 bill in a month playing video games on the internet

turn based pvp was awesome
talking smack about how you just “scraped” and “went IDKFA” on them in char rooms afterwards was priceless.

Sorry but ele is GREAT in WvW, whoever say it isn’t don’t know what they are talking about.

ThiBash.5634:

To be quite honest, I think you’re all overreacting a bit. Yes, there are some things about the Elementalist that don’t work well. And yes, good player skill can compensate for most of those shortcomings.

Seriously, it’s been said by now. Playing the Elementalist takes skill, we know that now. Maybe more than other professions. A buff will come when it will come. Cluttering the forum will only make it take longer because Anet has to read so much junk to get to the actual feedback.

Naturally the devs are the ones who read the forums taking notes, right? Not their community/PR teams, or the moderators even? Nope. Jon Sharp is sitting there right this minute jotting down complaints from every subforum instead of planning or coding. Of course.

I just want my kittening bug fixes.

Well, I do run dungeons with D/D including Arah, there are a couple fights that I have to switch to staff tho…

It requires a great amount of skill, and you die quite a bit, maybe 20% more than with staff, and the risk isnt worth the reward.

It is much more fun honestly, but requires an unrealistic amount of devotion. ( I play 10-16hrs per day )

Your point is valid however, the amount of risk is insane.

For me it really boils down to, the ele class is fun to play, but it’s just not as good.
Damage: we’re not the DMG class, not the best AOE dmg class. Go defensive- we hit like a kitten where other defensive spec class can still do viable damage. Go glass-cannon- get called a nub and be a liability, and oh yeah other classes can still outdps you.

Due to our lack of defense, we must often back line stuff. Every class has weapons that allows them to backline, but we sort have to. In many situations, it’s better to have classes that has the hp or defense to dps and front line a little.

Support:
Staff is the recognized healer/support although I’ve also done D/D and S/D.
Our support is divided into CC, Condition remove, Heals
CC: Yes we have a few slows and fields and what not. Keep in mind several other classes have similar things w/ their bubbles and fields. and many others can aoe root and what not. So we’re not special in that but it IS useful. I personally like D/D for heavy mob packs because it has more slows and shocks and interrupts. But compare to a guardian, that can pull the mobs and hold the agro, is a much better way to control mobs in a coordinated team.

Conditional remove:
Yes we have 1 condition remove/regen on long CD (same for staff and D/D), 1 extra personal conditional remove on D/D- but should have this on ur utility or heal already anyways. Guardians on the other hand, can spec for much better condition remove. One thing elementalist just don’t have is damage mitigation, where as guardians can do that, and so can mes

Heals:
staff – 1 big heal w/ condi remove, 1 heal that requires ur group member to step into this little tiny circle and stop kiting/mitigating more damage. D/D has slightly better mobile healing because ur water #2 can be used on the move. But then u have a situation where ur melee ranged as a support class. Heal skills also no longer affect Downed players. So as a squishy support class, have fun jumping in there to ress downed instead of being able to skill heal them. O yes can’t forget about the #1 water staff heal right? lets get everyone to stand all close together right? right.

Damage mitigation: we don’t have much in the way of group damage mitigation. Support wise, being able to reduce incoming dmg for the group is as important as healing them back up. compare to guardians – blocks, dmg reductions, area denies. Granted, ele do have trait skills that carry some boons to our allies. But recognize that the range on these, similar to our staff speed buff, has really short ranges. Hence, reducing mobility and applicability.

I just don’t have ele to be better as a dps or as a support. we are a weak class. This is unfortunate because it’s such a fun class to play. on paper, the combos, and synergy, the everything is so interesting. And yes, you can practice hard to be really skillful and people will tolerance you and be ok w/ you in the group. Personally i’ve thankfully never experienced being kicked from a group just for being an ele. then you try a diff class and apply the same level of skill and dedication, and people worship you, add you, and if you can come do stuff on that “other” class.

When I put myself in a group situation, and start looking at how I can be a useful and vital part of that group? Support- i rather take a guardian, DPS – warrior (there’s ur semi tank, powerhouse DPS, and can be a tanky support), other classes that shines in a group – mesmer.

I want to love my ele, I really do. But all these shiny skills just feels hallow in their effectiveness combined w/ our low hp and defense (even w/ dedicated defensive set and heal set). Feels like only place I can go shine is by going to Solo a lower lvl dungeon or something, only place where jack of all trades and master of none actually works out.

Korgath.6581:

Why is terrible 1v1 damage a problem when you a pick a weapon that’s all duration based aoe damage? The only thing terrible about it is people trying to use it for something it’s not intended for.

Because in W3 in a full berserker gear with a 30/20/0/0/20 build, I do upwards of 3k+ crits per meteor. I can reach 5k+ if I bother stacking might. You need something like 3 trebuchets to expend that kind of DPS.

Buffing staff any further so it’d be more useful in 1v1s would completely break it as a crowd control weapon. I can already single-handedly destroy zergs trying to take down gates. What exactly are these people suggesting to do to the staff to fix it? I am already a walking trebuchet in WvW (too bad I can’t deal damage to walls :<).

Ed: Not to mention all the combo fields for dungeons.

What’s wrong with having a class that rises above other classes in group situations and is not as good in 1v1 situations?

Elementalist is a downright joke. I need to “stance dance” so much and kite all over the place just to be able to take down ordinary mobs, this gets worst when I face champion or veteran mobs.

Now I play warrior/guardian/ranger as well and these 3 classes beat the elementalist in terms of ease of use and performance. I could take damage, dish out sufficient damage and with a little effort take down veterans solo.

@Cerise.9045 The fact that they dont rise above other classes in group situations perhaps? Guardians do the same thing and are far more tanky while doing it.

ThiBash.5634:

To be quite honest, I think you’re all overreacting a bit. Yes, there are some things about the Elementalist that don’t work well. And yes, good player skill can compensate for most of those shortcomings.

The problem is when you meet someone at the same skill level as you playing another class. What do you think happens? You still come short.