Guild Wars 2

I stoped playing ele, here is why.

I rolled another class i found the issue.

http://i.imgur.com/c4iUi8h.png

Twice the healthpool as most eles, kittenton of heals, what’s not to love?

Don’t forget the unholy amounts of damage warriors can inflict. The warrior is totally overpowered while eles lack in their main area: damage. What the ele lacks in health, is not being compensated with damage. Instead eles are being forced to use artificial tools such as conjured weapons to try and compete. The design of this class went wrong on so many levels, that nowadays only masochists still play it.

Lol, i’ve never cared to look at other classes, but these healing numbers are insulting to an ele player.
On top of healing signet, obviously anet has some hidden agenda here.

Andross.5183:

Don’t forget the unholy amounts of damage warriors can inflict. The warrior is totally overpowered while eles lack in their main area: damage. What the ele lacks in health, is not being compensated with damage. Instead eles are being forced to use artificial tools such as conjured weapons to try and compete. The design of this class went wrong on so many levels, that nowadays only masochists still play it.

Couldn’t possibly agree more.

Except I’d extend the list to sentimentalists who invested a huge amount of time/resources into their Ele and don’t want to give that investment up (who then come the forums to complain incessantly as a result of their situation) as well as people who only do PvE and since anything works in PvE they are content as being better or worse in PvE doesn’t matter.

Andross.5183:

Don’t forget the unholy amounts of damage warriors can inflict. The warrior is totally overpowered while eles lack in their main area: damage. What the ele lacks in health, is not being compensated with damage. Instead eles are being forced to use artificial tools such as conjured weapons to try and compete. The design of this class went wrong on so many levels, that nowadays only masochists still play it.

But that warrior with its 1.7k healing isn’t going to do any damage. It will be a distraction like a tanky guardian but won’t kill anyone that isnt afk. The Hammer is the best weapon for a non-dps warrior but if you don’t have that OMG damage and are just getting by on unsuspecting foe trait+earthshaker, staggering blow, backbreaker you are just a distraction not really scary as a warrior.

I would guess he probably is 0/0/30/30/10 or 0/0/20/30/20 either way he has to have 30 points in tactics at the minimum. Which means he gave up some good traits for shouts(not saying the alternatives are bad). If he has no unsuspecting foe trait then he is most definitely just a distraction and anyone could just walk away.

Not putting down him playing warrior I have one also its my second favorite class after ele. Just putting those numbers in context cause those numbers don’t come with insane damage at all.

I’m lvling a new char, warrior, and she’s only 51; she has more hp and does more dmg than my ele (yes who still is my main). Never thought I’d like war, but its growing on me, the survivability, heals, and the insane raw damage, when I’m not even trying.
Yes I have spent many hours on my ele, and I’m invested in it. I still have hope ele will get better. Being an alt-o-holic though (lol) I have other options.

oZii.2864:

Andross.5183:

Don’t forget the unholy amounts of damage warriors can inflict. The warrior is totally overpowered while eles lack in their main area: damage. What the ele lacks in health, is not being compensated with damage. Instead eles are being forced to use artificial tools such as conjured weapons to try and compete. The design of this class went wrong on so many levels, that nowadays only masochists still play it.

But that warrior with its 1.7k healing isn’t going to do any damage. It will be a distraction like a tanky guardian but won’t kill anyone that isnt afk. The Hammer is the best weapon for a non-dps warrior but if you don’t have that OMG damage and are just getting by on unsuspecting foe trait+earthshaker, staggering blow, backbreaker you are just a distraction not really scary as a warrior.

I would guess he probably is 0/0/30/30/10 or 0/0/20/30/20 either way he has to have 30 points in tactics at the minimum. Which means he gave up some good traits for shouts(not saying the alternatives are bad). If he has no unsuspecting foe trait then he is most definitely just a distraction and anyone could just walk away.

Not putting down him playing warrior I have one also its my second favorite class after ele. Just putting those numbers in context cause those numbers don’t come with insane damage at all.

47% crit chance without fury, which will make it 67%, “For Great Justice”, also shrug it off, all with 3k healings, then look at 29k hp, and 3.1k toughness, that guy will niether get bursted nor killed by conditions given the cleansings. Top that with probably 700-800 per second healing from healing signet with his healing power, best mobility in the game (GS) , swiftness on elite which has an attrociously low CD for the long lasting effects it gets. What do you get? D/D ele on steroids, and then some more. Not to forget the high coefficient damage of most warrior skills, the fact he has 2.7 attack power and can disengage at any given time (not that will ever need it). He does enough damage believe me, if anything, attrtion war will win it for him/.

Im sorry but if you can achieve that amount of things at the same time with any ele that doesnt mean giving up 1 or 2 things for the sake of achieving something similar, let us know, because right now that build out do any ele build in just about anything.

@OP: Im currently rolling a guardian, get access to fury, with 14k hp, relatively high toughness (forgot the number, but 300 from traits and from armor), my meditations heal me 2k each, cleanse conditions, teleport me to my target, instant, low CD. F2 passive is better than water mist aura thingy since its always on and heals more, my dodges heal more, perma vigor, a mist form every 25 seconds which actually heals me and gives me might everytime I block something (shelter), another mist form which resets my f1 to f3 skills , which give me and my entire team might, protection or regenaration on command, all that while providing all the usual stuff guardians provide, zerker gear so my damage is just as good. Gotta love how heavies get the best, right?

Goes to show who Anet favors….

we had an ele commander in WvW EB who did pretty good today.

Kitten, that are some impressive numbers, thanks for the heads up. Time to reroll a warrior or guardian it seems.

anet pls

Fortus.6175:

47% crit chance without fury, which will make it 67%, “For Great Justice”, also shrug it off, all with 3k healings, then look at 29k hp, and 3.1k toughness, that guy will niether get bursted nor killed by conditions given the cleansings. Top that with probably 700-800 per second healing from healing signet with his healing power, best mobility in the game (GS) , swiftness on elite which has an attrociously low CD for the long lasting effects it gets. What do you get? D/D ele on steroids, and then some more. Not to forget the high coefficient damage of most warrior skills, the fact he has 2.7 attack power and can disengage at any given time (not that will ever need it). He does enough damage believe me, if anything, attrtion war will win it for him/.

Im sorry but if you can achieve that amount of things at the same time with any ele that doesnt mean giving up 1 or 2 things for the sake of achieving something similar, let us know, because right now that build out do any ele build in just about anything.

Look at the Picture he has 2.7k attack power(which is very low if your talking direct damage power build) and is buffed at the time which means he has around 1600 power AFTER he gets a buff which means his actual power is lower than that. So this is a killing machine we are talking about here? My guess this is like apothecary with some rampagers thrown in somewhere. Probably Sword/Sword. Bow or something.

You get more than 2.7k attack if you where in full clerics gear without even taking a food buff or putting any points in power. So something similar to this? Sure Frowny Clown has posted alot of videos of his condition build in apothecary gear.

Condition warriors are fun to fight I just never had a problem with them on any of my classes. Not my cup of tea though I would always run power on my warrior. It is far from a D/D ele on steroids as you put it.

oZii.2864:

Fortus.6175:

47% crit chance without fury, which will make it 67%, “For Great Justice”, also shrug it off, all with 3k healings, then look at 29k hp, and 3.1k toughness, that guy will niether get bursted nor killed by conditions given the cleansings. Top that with probably 700-800 per second healing from healing signet with his healing power, best mobility in the game (GS) , swiftness on elite which has an attrociously low CD for the long lasting effects it gets. What do you get? D/D ele on steroids, and then some more. Not to forget the high coefficient damage of most warrior skills, the fact he has 2.7 attack power and can disengage at any given time (not that will ever need it). He does enough damage believe me, if anything, attrtion war will win it for him/.

Im sorry but if you can achieve that amount of things at the same time with any ele that doesnt mean giving up 1 or 2 things for the sake of achieving something similar, let us know, because right now that build out do any ele build in just about anything.

Look at the Picture he has 2.7k attack power(which is very low if your talking direct damage power build) and is buffed at the time which means he has around 1600 power AFTER he gets a buff which means his actual power is lower than that. So this is a killing machine we are talking about here? My guess this is like apothecary with some rampagers thrown in somewhere. Probably Sword/Sword. Bow or something.

You get more than 2.7k attack if you where in full clerics gear without even taking a food buff or putting any points in power. So something similar to this? Sure Frowny Clown has posted alot of videos of his condition build in apothecary gear.

Condition warriors are fun to fight I just never had a problem with them on any of my classes. Not my cup of tea though I would always run power on my warrior. It is far from a D/D ele on steroids as you put it.

Not sure what my build has to do with this…suspicious.

FrownyClown.8402:

Not sure what my build has to do with this…suspicious.

Just using it as an example pointing out that the picture from the warrior is 2.7k attack and 1.7k healing power since you get more than 2.7k attack in full clerics, which leads me to believe its a condition build with apothecary. Your build would be the closest comparable build for elementalist using D/D. Not talking bad about anybody’s build though just putting the screenshot in perspective.

oZii.2864:

FrownyClown.8402:

Not sure what my build has to do with this…suspicious.

Just using it as an example pointing out that the picture from the warrior is 2.7k attack and 1.7k healing power since you get more than 2.7k attack in full clerics, which leads me to believe its a condition build with apothecary. Your build would be the closest comparable build for elementalist using D/D. Not talking bad about anybody’s build though just putting the screenshot in perspective.

I wish I could get 1.7k healing power.

I also made a CC warrior last weekend and I’m lovin it. Spamming all kinds of knockdowns, stuns, and dazes never felt more fun. And I don’t die a lot. Even if I do, I still don’t feel frustrated like I do on my ele. I don’t know why.

Trying to play all the fotm builds for every class (condibomb mesmer, fear-condi necro, s/d thief, spranger) in the past few weeks and all I can say is that the reason these builds get a lot of popularity is because they become quite effective even in only a few minutes of hotjoin playing and become really deadly once you learn the ins and out of the build without much of a threat aside from hard counters.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Even if I do, I still don’t feel frustrated like I do on my ele. I don’t know why.

because you made your warr last weekend. If after a year you will still die a lot, then probably you will get frustrated.
Another reason might be that when you die as an ele (and I assume you know how to play it) you know that you made no mistake, you played perfectly, you saw that your enemy made some serious mistakes… in other words you generally greatly outskill you opponent and still loose.

DrTenma.7249,
Call it a conspiracy, but I think the military minds that try to engineer our society get involved in popular games. Consider the quarterbacking sports style of gameplay these changes are leading to, supposedly antithetic to the original design.

Lavadiel.6231,
These days I often play like a drunkard. On a rare moment the excellence will happen. I am not one to rage at a game, but I do lose that fun feeling when a game appears to be too rigged. It depresses me when a moment of greatness happens, while I am feeling like a master of the art of avatar war, when it seems the mechanics cannot keep up with me, and the enemy is doing well, but not at my level, yet the enemy insta-100% heals twice, and goes invulnerable, and stuns me, and dazes me, and cripples me, and knocks me, and drops me. Then the ele downs, and I look at an opponent at 90% hp. They /em laugh. I go to LA to sulk.

Yea, gotta boost that profit.

It’s the magical 30/30/30/30/30 Warrior!

Hey Weth, how’s your ele doing?

Agreed. Elementalists in general are such a funderful class to play, up until your giant ball of death flame bounces off of the 4 foot tall kindergartner you’re shooting at and he runs up and kills you with a crayon(something I think could literally do the trick). Though with their mechanics it would be a pain cause they would either get OP real quick from overbuffing or just become the glory hogging artillery cannons from GW1. At this point I think it’s best ANet just man up and say “yes, some of these classes are garbage compared to Warrs/Guards.” That way they can move on and maybe start beefing up other classes to compete. We don’t need to nerf melee, we need to buff everything else.

oh and don’t forget to take into consideration that you can’t base a classes mechanics soley on the assumption we’ll be in a group 100% of the time. That part bothers me seeing as a good 60% or more of my time is spent solo and ele’s are kinda hard to pull that stuff off solo. Unshakable whoops us

ImProVocateur.5189:

Call it a conspiracy, but I think the military minds that try to engineer our society get involved in popular games. Consider the quarterbacking sports style of gameplay these changes are leading to, supposedly antithetic to the original design.
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Dear Sir, actually you might be right. They want to set our minds in a way that we belive that close combat soldier type is the way to go and they do it cuz in RL they need cannon fodders.
Another thing, before I played GW2 I would avoid zerging because game made by the good guys taught me this:
http://youtu.be/LsOY3JHxVZ8?t=2m45s
GW2 (the military) dramaticaly changed my point of view and turned me into brainless mob. Its conspiracy.

sorrychief.2563:

anet pls

we all know there are cheesy builds with tons of dmg, but be serious, they are not viable… not even need to talk about how Dragons Tooth is easy to evade, Phoenix is close behind it and Fire Grab dont stay too far behind them… and before you land this combo, you will be probably already dead with that build (well, maybe right after Mist Form)

MaXi.3642:

we all know there are cheesy builds with tons of dmg, but be serious, they are not viable… not even need to talk about how Dragons Tooth is easy to evade, Phoenix is close behind it and Fire Grab dont stay too far behind them… and before you land this combo, you will be probably already dead with that build (well, maybe right after Mist Form)

well, the “cheesy” super damage builds are from what I’ve seen almost always more suitable for PvE. Seeing as I’m an entirely PvE player, I can’t really agree with your point in disrespecting them. We do need PvE builds because to some people that IS more important that jackknifing somebody in the arena. However, I do agree that they are still too squishy to be useful when fully specced damage.