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Posted by: Cirian.8917

Cirian.8917

As good as Rebound may be for allies, I have to find it out-of-theme and basically a Chronomancer skill. In fact it’s blatantly treading on the Chronomancer’s toes and certainly nothing to do with storms or tempests.

I would suggest bringing back Maelstrom. Shouting “MAELSTROM!!” would be really cool anyway, as it has to be a shout, right.

Have the GW1 style of it dropping out of the air and putting down a five-second aoe pulsing daze with a tiny damage component. Done. I know the GW1 original lasted ten seconds, but whatever.

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Posted by: PlasticHippo.8934

PlasticHippo.8934

Right now, we have plenty of good utility skills that are great, but too few elite skills. to fix this I have heard many people in the past say to allow the option of placing a utility skill in the elite skill slot. personally I would love it if they simply did swaps (meaning swapping a few utility skills and calling them elite;) think of it, glyph of storms fits the theme and feel of the tempest far more than that recharge skill, simply call glyph of storms an elite shout, that current elite shout a utility glyph. and while their at it, swap FGS and Icebow (Icebow is far more elite worthy than FGS.) would also slightly lower the pve ele’s damage as they could not take both glyph of storms and icebow at the same time, while not effecting pvp or wvw (which needs to happen.)

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Posted by: Shufflepants.9785

Shufflepants.9785

““Rebound!”: This is the only arcane aspect available to the tempest. Using this arcane shout will affect allies in the area around you, causing the next ability they use to have a 25% reduced recharge.”

This seems nearly useless in all but the most coordinated groups.

Does this affect weapon abilities? If yes, then good job, 80% of the time you will have reduced the recharge of an auto attack. Not exactly helpful.

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Posted by: OneKlicKill.4285

OneKlicKill.4285

I wouldn’t take any elite skill over a utility even if elites could be used in utility slots. Thats how bad elites are. Hell, I wouldn’t even sacrifice the vast majority of my weapon skills for them.

Please skill/trait split and give control to the PvP team. Karl is fucking killing us

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

The name seems a bit off but the effect works with the ideal of the tempest class. You empower your team to cast effects with a lower cd it has nothing to do with the changes of passages of time.

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Posted by: Khenzy.9348

Khenzy.9348

Let me, in my opinion, define this particular elite skill in two words: very impractical.

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Posted by: SchmendrickTheMagician.8247

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247

The name seems a bit off but the effect works with the ideal of the tempest class. You empower your team to cast effects with a lower cd it has nothing to do with the changes of passages of time.

“We heard ele elites are all pretty bad so we gave them an elite to make other classes’ elites better.”

Brilliant.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

The name seems a bit off but the effect works with the ideal of the tempest class. You empower your team to cast effects with a lower cd it has nothing to do with the changes of passages of time.

“We heard ele elites are all pretty bad so we gave them an elite to make other classes’ elites better.”

Brilliant.

It works on the ele who casting it too you know. It deal with a major problem that ele has as a class its utility skills are on a much longer cd then most classes. So things like AoE mist form conjurer weapons will have a lower cd when you want them to. If your using it for a wepon skill cd your most likely waiting the skill. I guess its works for staff 5 on most atument lines.

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Posted by: BlackBeard.2873

BlackBeard.2873

It works on the ele who casting it too you know. It deal with a major problem that ele has as a class its utility skills are on a much longer cd then most classes. So things like AoE mist form conjurer weapons will have a lower cd when you want them to. If your using it for a wepon skill cd your most likely waiting the skill. I guess its works for staff 5 on most atument lines.

The fact that it has a 3/4 s cast time means that it doesn’t work with ANY of the instant-cast defensive skills that have long-CD’s. Trying to use armor of earth/mistform/lighting flash/arcane shield with 3/4 s cast is unviable.

The only use this has is in pve-speedruns to get a shorter CD on meteor shower or glyph of storms, and if CD was really holding you back you would just trait for it.

In pvp, the only potential use of this is to take some runeset that procs on-elite, but that is so pathetic that your elite is basically a 3/4s cast of whatever rune effect is included with little else.

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Posted by: Alpha.1308

Alpha.1308

to one of the above people: highly doubtful it’ll trigger on auto attacks

but still

no matter what happens, it won’t do anything elite worthy no matter what you use it for
even shaving a big chunk of cooldown off of 4 ally’s elites or 4 healing skills (if that’s even possible to time it for ALL of them) it is still not going to be even HALF as effective as just doing something that’s actually useful such as having an actual game changing, THREATENING, Tempest-like effect to it, whether that be control, support, or damage, or all three, which it should be

Battle Standard is hugely game changing
Supply Crate is game changing
Timewarp can be game changing
Lichform… can be game changing

reducing ONE cooldown by a small amount for a few allies that hit a short cooldown skill, and a few that used their Battle Standards or Timewarps perhaps?
the big cooldowns still won’t come back fast enough to change anything in any format
the small cooldowns won’t feel like anything changed at all

no
this was a disgusting idea that looks like it wasn’t even discussed by anyone that actually plays the game outside of the Heart of the Mists lobby on Golems and Svanir
no insult intended to those who “show us fights” in the PoIs, but seriously, come on now

(edited by Alpha.1308)

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Posted by: maddoctor.2738

maddoctor.2738

The name seems a bit off but the effect works with the ideal of the tempest class. You empower your team to cast effects with a lower cd it has nothing to do with the changes of passages of time.

“We heard ele elites are all pretty bad so we gave them an elite to make other classes’ elites better.”

Brilliant.

It works on the ele who casting it too you know. It deal with a major problem that ele has as a class its utility skills are on a much longer cd then most classes. So things like AoE mist form conjurer weapons will have a lower cd when you want them to. If your using it for a wepon skill cd your most likely waiting the skill. I guess its works for staff 5 on most atument lines.

In general when you want to use Armor of Earth or Mist Form you want to use them instantly. Rebound! has a 3/4 casting time making it nearly worthless as a cd reduction skill for AoE and MF.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

It works on the ele who casting it too you know. It deal with a major problem that ele has as a class its utility skills are on a much longer cd then most classes. So things like AoE mist form conjurer weapons will have a lower cd when you want them to. If your using it for a wepon skill cd your most likely waiting the skill. I guess its works for staff 5 on most atument lines.

The fact that it has a 3/4 s cast time means that it doesn’t work with ANY of the instant-cast defensive skills that have long-CD’s. Trying to use armor of earth/mistform/lighting flash/arcane shield with 3/4 s cast is unviable.

The only use this has is in pve-speedruns to get a shorter CD on meteor shower or glyph of storms, and if CD was really holding you back you would just trait for it.

In pvp, the only potential use of this is to take some runeset that procs on-elite, but that is so pathetic that your elite is basically a 3/4s cast of whatever rune effect is included with little else.

Its 1/4 or 25% ontop of what is build for so if they have say ele using it on water 5 with the 33% cdr in water its 58% cdr.

The reason why you would want to pop mainly AoE befor you start a fight is for the tempest boon sharing you will give your pt 10 stack of stab and 6 sec of protection maybe one of the strongest aoe stab effect in the game. If done right and build right you will give 10 stack of stab for 8 sec and 17 sec of protection.

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Posted by: OneKlicKill.4285

OneKlicKill.4285

The reason why you would want to pop mainly AoE befor you start a fight is for the tempest boon sharing you will give your pt 10 stack of stab and 6 sec of protection maybe one of the strongest aoe stab effect in the game. If done right and build right you will give 10 stack of stab for 8 sec and 17 sec of protection.

Yeah but the elite has nothing to do with this. Its borderline useless in most situations. Even reducing the CD of other elites doesnt make it good. Most of the time you dont pop an elite just because its up, you pop it in that critical situation. so shaving 20-30 seconds off an elite of another player isn’t going to be gamechanging in the slightest. because there’s no guarantee that they will need it in that 30 second window which they now have it earlier. And elites that you do pop much more often when they are off CD are all usually much shorter CDS in which case the effect isn’t even that much.

This ability is useless and you will still see taxi sword used nearly all of the time.

Please skill/trait split and give control to the PvP team. Karl is fucking killing us

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

The reason why you would want to pop mainly AoE befor you start a fight is for the tempest boon sharing you will give your pt 10 stack of stab and 6 sec of protection maybe one of the strongest aoe stab effect in the game. If done right and build right you will give 10 stack of stab for 8 sec and 17 sec of protection.

Yeah but the elite has nothing to do with this. Its borderline useless in most situations. Even reducing the CD of other elites doesnt make it good. Most of the time you dont pop an elite just because its up, you pop it in that critical situation. so shaving 20-30 seconds off an elite of another player isn’t going to be gamechanging in the slightest. because there’s no guarantee that they will need it in that 30 second window which they now have it earlier. And elites that you do pop much more often when they are off CD are all usually much shorter CDS in which case the effect isn’t even that much.

This ability is useless and you will still see taxi sword used nearly all of the time.

Well what else dose ele have though? Your acting like ele has an elite that is a game changer now they really dont what ele has is alot of wepon skills and utility that are game changers. So the cdr it self will not be the game changer but it lets ele puts it other game changer ability on lower cd. Elite for ele is not the same for elite for any other class in the game but at the same time skills and utility are not the same as for other classes too. This is what makes an ele an ele.

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Posted by: SchmendrickTheMagician.8247

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247

Story of the elementalist elites:

One that gets you killed (Tornado).
One that gets ignored (Elemental).
One that helps you run away (Greatsword).

“We want a good elite that’s all we ask for!”

“Here’s one that makes other classes’ elites better. "

Genius.

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Posted by: Memories Lost.7634

Memories Lost.7634

In my opinion what would have been a really cool idea for an elite would be a skill on a short-ish cast time that would allow you to place a ground targeted overload down based on your attunement.

Need some dps? huck a kitten fire tornado down on a point. Need heals? Spinning water orb pulsing aoe healing down. Need vuln (but really as if we dont have enough vuln application spammed throughout every class)? Drop a thunderstorm down where you want it. CC spam? Earth is your friend.

Like, really though how did this rebound thing even get past the drawing board.

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Posted by: Purecura.1795

Purecura.1795

As good as Rebound may be for allies, I have to find it out-of-theme and basically a Chronomancer skill. In fact it’s blatantly treading on the Chronomancer’s toes and certainly nothing to do with storms or tempests.

I would suggest bringing back Maelstrom. Shouting “MAELSTROM!!” would be really cool anyway, as it has to be a shout, right.

Have the GW1 style of it dropping out of the air and putting down a five-second aoe pulsing daze with a tiny damage component. Done. I know the GW1 original lasted ten seconds, but whatever.

Thank you!!!!! See people! Lets get it together. Hellooo.

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Lv.80 Druid (Mender Zalintyre)

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Posted by: Killyox.3950

Killyox.3950

I wonder if it could reduce COST for Rev skills which have no CD :P

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Posted by: Ruzin.2410

Ruzin.2410

Yeah this skill looks like one big troll. Elite skill that makes other elite skills better (If you can call 10-30 sec cd reduction better, when people usually, as mentioned somewhere, use elite skill in the right time and no automatically when cd is out)
This skill needs complete rework.

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Posted by: maddoctor.2738

maddoctor.2738

I wonder if it could reduce COST for Rev skills which have no CD :P

Maybe it could reduce 25% of the Energy cost for Revenant skills and 25% reduction in initiative for Thief skills!

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Posted by: Naurgalen.2374

Naurgalen.2374

I didn’t think it before, but yes, it totally feels like a chronomancer skill (I dont consider it for an elite quallity unless you are in a very coordinated team) and really doesn’t fit on “force of nature” feel of the ele.

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Posted by: Dolores.5471

Dolores.5471

I think it should be as simple as immediately recharging all your attunements…… easy, not entirely op (given the right CD) and goes really well with the overcharging feature from tempest.

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Posted by: Chiemi.3781

Chiemi.3781

I’d rather that the elite as a shout was a incantation for a massive aoe dmg skill… you know like maelstrom with all the interrupts and all amd not a watered down skill like meteor storm is with its missing knockdowns. Goodness even if it had to be what it is a instant cast of next skill or next skill recharges instantly would be better and scrap the party play entirely.

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Posted by: BlackBeard.2873

BlackBeard.2873

It isn’t even hard to come up with an elite shout that is both powerful and usable.

For instance:

“Elemental Fury!”
Instant Cast, 50s CD.
Inflict aoe burning (2 stacks), weakness, chill, and bleeding (5 stacks). You and nearby allies gain fire aura, frost aura, shocking aura, and magnetic aura.

The condis are applied after 0.5 s.

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Posted by: Piratoz.8627

Piratoz.8627

Here is my take on a viable elite for the elementalist that would have use in all game modes. Elites in this game ideally were advertised as a trump card that players could use to drastically turn the tides of battle. Currently, elementalist elites are extremely lackluster compared to some of the more amazing elites in the game such as Battle Standard and Time Warp.

Introducing: Elements Guide Me!

Elements Guide Me! would reduce the players attunement cooldowns by a flat 10 seconds. This would enable interesting synergies with on attunement effects such as healing ripple, fire aura, and the boons from elemental attunement. Seeing as the tempest has an extremely long attunement cooldown from overload, using Elements Guide Me! would give elementalists an opportunity to reduce the cooldown of an overloaded attunement to a more regular cooldown time of 10s. If the synergy between some of the more powerful on attune traits such as healing ripple becomes overbearing, they could be given an internal cooldown. The area boon and condition application could drastically alter the flow of the battle and give allies a much needed boost through boons and cripple the enemy with conditions.

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