Guild Wars 2

Jski.6180:

Just becuse its on a long cd (like most of ele skills) dose not make it any less fight defining and game play defining. It may make it more defining in how you play becuse of the longer cd means stronger effects. A d/d ele plays different from a d/f ele a s/d ele plays different from a s/f ele and the same is ture for the WH version. Do you even play ele?

Stronger effects like lightning orb?

And to answer your last question, you’re probably the only person on this entire subforum who still believes tempest is okay. A large portion of people who were asking the rest to see tempest in action is now claiming it needs a lot of changes. Asking me if I even play an ele while having that in mind sounds a bit amusing, perhaps even comical.

rotten.9753:

Jski.6180:

Just becuse its on a long cd (like most of ele skills) dose not make it any less fight defining and game play defining. It may make it more defining in how you play becuse of the longer cd means stronger effects. A d/d ele plays different from a d/f ele a s/d ele plays different from a s/f ele and the same is ture for the WH version. Do you even play ele?

Stronger effects like lightning orb?

And to answer your last question, you’re probably the only person on this entire subforum who still believes tempest is okay. A large portion of people who were asking the rest to see tempest in action is now claiming it needs a lot of changes. Asking me if I even play an ele while having that in mind sounds a bit amusing, perhaps even comical.

No your talking about base things that tempest core that are bad i am not saying its dose enofe support or what its aim is but it dose more then what an ele can and its core effects are workable.

Jski.6180:

No your talking about base things that tempest core that are bad i am not saying its dose enofe support or what its aim is but it dose more then what an ele can and its core effects are workable.

Can you rephrase it?

Jski.6180:

rotten.9753:

Jski.6180:

Just becuse its on a long cd (like most of ele skills) dose not make it any less fight defining and game play defining. It may make it more defining in how you play becuse of the longer cd means stronger effects. A d/d ele plays different from a d/f ele a s/d ele plays different from a s/f ele and the same is ture for the WH version. Do you even play ele?

Stronger effects like lightning orb?

And to answer your last question, you’re probably the only person on this entire subforum who still believes tempest is okay. A large portion of people who were asking the rest to see tempest in action is now claiming it needs a lot of changes. Asking me if I even play an ele while having that in mind sounds a bit amusing, perhaps even comical.

No your talking about base things that tempest core that are bad i am not saying its dose enofe support or what its aim is but it dose more then what an ele can and its core effects are workable.

It does more? The only thing it does that base Ele can’t do better is boon share, but that forces you to use Warhorn….which then encourages you to use Dagger. That’s pretty much ALL it does different and it also sucks at it.

Funnily enough, WH shares boons, but Tempest itself gets almost no boons to share; you’re gonna need Arcana, which doesn’t really allow Overloads to work well because you want to swap constantly to maintain boons.

rotten.9753:

Jski.6180:

No your talking about base things that tempest core that are bad i am not saying its dose enofe support or what its aim is but it dose more then what an ele can and its core effects are workable.

Can you rephrase it?

You do not like the core effects of tempest and its wepon. I think they are workable and the numbers will changes over time to make them work better. Your going to be saying this till your “blue in the faces” but your not going to get a main hand wepon nor are you going to get a new F1-F5 set GET OVER IT.

No one likes them because they’re garbage and barely have any synergy. Fact is, a mainhand weapon would have been better for this mechanic to function along with more traits that benefit camping. If the only problems were numbers, we wouldn’t complain as much, but the core idea is extremelu flawed.

Malchior.5732:

No one likes them because they’re garbage and barely have any synergy. Fact is, a mainhand weapon would have been better for this mechanic to function along with more traits that benefit camping. If the only problems were numbers, we wouldn’t complain as much, but the core idea is extremelu flawed.

Off hands for ele still very different from off hands for other classes on the level of how main hand weapons changes how classes play.

And agen your not going to changes the core so i am not even sure what your point in saying it. Work with what it is or move on.

Jski.6180:

You do not like the core effects of tempest and its wepon. I think they are workable and the numbers will changes over time to make them work better. Your going to be saying this till your “blue in the faces” but your not going to get a main hand wepon nor are you going to get a new F1-F5 set GET OVER IT.

Chill mate, I’m perfectly aware Karl can juggle mostly numbers, unfortunately. Despite that, I find no reason to be perfectly happy with that design failure and still voice my concerns. Seeing this video doesn’t inspire confidence in tempest or that it will be commonly used outside the circle of people called phiw (which you may be a part of).

Jski.6180:

Malchior.5732:

No one likes them because they’re garbage and barely have any synergy. Fact is, a mainhand weapon would have been better for this mechanic to function along with more traits that benefit camping. If the only problems were numbers, we wouldn’t complain as much, but the core idea is extremelu flawed.

Off hands for ele still very different from off hands for other classes on the level of how main hand weapons changes how classes play.

And agen your not going to changes the core so i am not even sure what your point in saying it. Work with what it is or move on.

The only thing that changes is that we get gigantic cooldowns for weak skills(Fire 5 on Focus).

And I paid $50 for this expac, so I’m gonna complain and complain until something gets done because this is my main class and right now I feel completely shafted. If I just sit around and say nothing then I’m accepting garbage as my elite spec.

Malchior.5732:

And I paid $50 for this expac, so I’m gonna complain and complain until something gets done because this is my main class and right now I feel completely shafted. If I just sit around and say nothing then I’m accepting garbage as my elite spec.

Can’t blame us for being assertive, can he?

Malchior.5732:

And I paid $50 for this expac, so I’m gonna complain and complain until something gets done because this is my main class and right now I feel completely shafted. If I just sit around and say nothing then I’m accepting garbage as my elite spec.

I feel the same. I think Anet is actually listening and I hope they are making huge improvements to Tempest, not just changing numbers.

One thing is certain, with warhorn as it currently is even weapon swap wouldn’t make the elementalist overpowered.

Malchior.5732:

Jski.6180:

Malchior.5732:

No one likes them because they’re garbage and barely have any synergy. Fact is, a mainhand weapon would have been better for this mechanic to function along with more traits that benefit camping. If the only problems were numbers, we wouldn’t complain as much, but the core idea is extremelu flawed.

Off hands for ele still very different from off hands for other classes on the level of how main hand weapons changes how classes play.

And agen your not going to changes the core so i am not even sure what your point in saying it. Work with what it is or move on.

The only thing that changes is that we get gigantic cooldowns for weak skills(Fire 5 on Focus).

And I paid $50 for this expac, so I’m gonna complain and complain until something gets done because this is my main class and right now I feel completely shafted. If I just sit around and say nothing then I’m accepting garbage as my elite spec.

Well if your looking for a replacement class from spec your not going to find it the ideal is not power creep GW2 is not about power creep there are many other mmorpgs that are about that.

The biggest problem with Tempest is that it competes directly with D/D cele ele for the exact same role. Worst of all is the D/D cele ele is in the edge between well balance and OP (I would say the burning output is too excessive right now).

So you know what will happen when you just add something to compete directly for the same spot?

Either it will need to be better for people to play it and, thus, it will make the standard D/D ele OP – which nobody wants.

Or it will be worst than D/D cele ele and nobody will want to play it – thus being a completely worthless inclusion in the game.

So going on and on about just changing numbers as the solution for the spec is terrible because that will not solve anything. It is essentially just asking for a buff to D/D cele ele.

Tempest needs to be designed to fit a different role so that it does not compete for the same spot as D/D cele ele (thus not having to fight in being better than D/D cele ele to get people to play it), but rather get people to play it with the allure of bringing a new role.

In saying this, I would add that if the real idea is really to keep as an OH weapon, the choice of paring it with Dagger is terrible, it should pair with Scepter.

Azel.4786:

In saying this, I would add that if the real idea is really to keep as an OH weapon, the choice of paring it with Dagger is terrible, it should pair with Scepter.

Indeed but then it would have been even worse.

rotten.9753:

Indeed but then it would have been even worse.

Yes, it would require more work because they would need to fix scepter… but who knows, we can dream about it, no?

Malchior.5732:

Leo G.4501:

Malchior.5732:

Leo G.4501:

rotten.9753:

You hardly achieved 10 stacks of might while in D/D it’s pretty much granted to get permanent 25 stacks. Your reaper pal had more might stacks than you, by large margin. It’s really sad to see tempest so underwhelming.

Well, if you burst fields and stack might with fire tornado (giving allies might too) you both get 10 or so might. If the elementalist uses heat sync, the ele gets 3 more might then shares his 10+3 might to allies (which will be greater than 10+3).

The Fire Overload Might stacks don’t last very long and unless you plan to stay in Fire for even longer, there’s no way to maintain them, especially during a fight.

The fire overload is only an additional mechanic. The other means ele gains and maintains might stacks is still available. I was merely point out the fact that the Reaper might have more might stacks because the ele might have shared might stacks with him.

A Reaper running Spite and constantly attacking in Reaper Shroud can maintain a very large amount of Might by himself.
The Ele might have been more helpful by focusing on CC or Healing via Staff, or just taking a Guard to apply Stability.

That’s rather beside the point of what I was quoting the previous poster for, but sure.