Guild Wars 2

Been trying Tempest in Verdant Brink, full shouts, horn and overloads.
It’s amazing. High survivability despite being full zerk, a lot of easy to access reflects to see mordrem archers kill themselves, a lot of healing output.

In the same class you have damage, survivability, partu support.

Currently the best elite spec. People asking for a buff just want an easy game.

Let’s calm down this hyped guys point by point:

DPS:
No damage modifier or stat increase or offensive proc, tell me where is your “damage”

“Lot of easy acces to reflects”
…. huuuu no ? Reflect in warhorn ? nope, the only reflect comes from the earth-shout and maybe from the earth overload if you’re bad enough to use current overload.
Tip: staff and focus gives more reflect.

Survivability:
once again nope, staff and focus provides more than warhorn … yes even staff
Tempest gives pretty low survability increase: ~500heal on aura, 7% damage reduction under effect of protection (without anyway to apply in the trait line), 10endurance on cantrip (or every 5sec if arcana)

Party support:
Aura are weak in pve
Tempest itself gives like nothing, warhorn and shout does (but the last falls under the weakness of aura), but then it’s not really stronger than staff or focus.

Conclusion:
People asking for a REWORK just knows the game
*fixed

Dragonhunter in celestial gear is stronger than tempest in zerk. Tells a lot.

Bad troll is bad, check other thread where he claim dragonhunter is weak

Chapan.9170:

Bad troll is bad, check other thread where he claim dragonhunter is weak

90% of the community claims that Dragonhunter is a downgrade from Guardian.
Tempest only adds stuff to elementalist.

Dragonhunter trades the old and amazing virtues with a slower version. Plus longbow is worse then scepter+anything and traps are crap.

You may not like overloads, but tempest shouts are awesome and horn skills are OP.

Chapan.9170:

Bad troll is bad, check other thread where he claim dragonhunter is weak

In PvE (which is the focus of the original post), the dragonhunter does feel weaker than the vanilla guardian.

I don’t see dragonhunter specs becoming meta, or being used in general (for PvE).

Kidel stop trolling the ele forums. We all know you don’t play ele. Get out. Stop giving false feedback. You could get banned.

Quarktastic.1027:

In PvE (which is the focus of the original post), the dragonhunter does feel weaker than the vanilla guardian.

I don’t see dragonhunter specs becoming meta, or being used in general (for PvE).

Tempest is riding on the same wagon.

Kidel.2057:

90% of the community claims that Dragonhunter is a downgrade from Guardian.
Tempest only adds stuff to elementalist.

Mediocre stuff. Stuff that’s not better than vanilla alternatives. Like, Overloads are kinda nice, except their effects aren’t worth the time commitment (you’d be better off with constant attunement-swapping and spamming your skills, as usual).

More game changing would be change whole attument to new one. So we lose attument specing into tempest and getting fresh new one. No new weapon. Utility skills appreaciated.

He’s right about survivability though. Aura mancer with shouts I never get hurt at all. Too much healing and constant protection. As it does now, I don’t see tempest being all that, but for fractal 51 plus I Def see boon sharing aura mancer being the thing to have

Azure.8670:

He’s right about survivability though. Aura mancer with shouts I never get hurt at all. Too much healing and constant protection. As it does now, I don’t see tempest being all that, but for fractal 51 plus I Def see boon sharing aura mancer being the thing to have

The longer encounters last, the more chances for failure. If you are focused on so much defense at the loss of the massive damage that a staff (talking normal PvE build here, not just the weapon) can bring, you are opening the chances for more failures than your heals can bring.

Not to mention the fact that might and fury are already capped without the need for boon share, auras don’t bring much to the table in PvE and the only boon that isn’t capped that tempest might be able to bring that can be useful is protection, but at those levels the damage is already way more than what you can handle so blinds/aegis and dodges are more important.

I said tempest is defesive and group support. WH ist nice and shouts are just a bit long on CD but usful. But it dosen´t offer much to compensate what an ele gives up to take the line. I only see auramancers builds that might be good and fun.
For me personaly i would like to use shouts. Best without taking tempest. But what shall i give up? My stunbreaker? Condi cleaner? It will propably kill me more then help …. I will sacrifice 20% damage+ CC or my speed + 10% damage for a bit aura magic and overcharges i will use once per hour ?

What i woul need to have something from the expasion:

Shouts:
Water does no damage and chill ist removes 3 condies like cleansing flame but its the defence version with the aura.
Earth: lower CD.
Fire: add self stunbreaker

Traits: A damage boosting trait in the minor line. Maybe 10% condi damage from vitality would be new and at least something.

Also a Elite skill like that does the following: Put one of your utility skills to your elite slot with -20% CD (cumultaive with trait). That would do something useful to us ….

Tempest is weaker than focus off hand or dagger.. Those 2 weapons alone is greater than the entire specialization, skills, traits and Shouts are bad. If the shouts allow you to get some vigor and some healing… wait that’s cantrips… OK still bad.

If the Ele makes a Kyaaa sound when using it maybe I let it go.

right now eles are a bit over powered, but if all of our traits were as bad as tempest, we would be the weakest class in the game. the core ele needs a nerf. but tempest is so poorly thought out it needs a complete revamp.

Maybe tempest IS the ele nerf.

Mightybird.6034:

Kidel stop trolling the ele forums. We all know you don’t play ele. Get out. Stop giving false feedback. You could get banned.

Please read other posts then. Are we all trolls? Tempest is great in pve atm.

Kidel.2057:

Mightybird.6034:

Kidel stop trolling the ele forums. We all know you don’t play ele. Get out. Stop giving false feedback. You could get banned.

Please read other posts then. Are we all trolls? Tempest is great in pve atm.

No, tempest is great in open world pve where I can go without an offhand, chest/leggins/gloves only, no trinkets and 1 utility skill and do fine.

Yeah, try that in verdant brink against smokescales

Kidel.2057:

Mightybird.6034:

Kidel stop trolling the ele forums. We all know you don’t play ele. Get out. Stop giving false feedback. You could get banned.

Please read other posts then. Are we all trolls? Tempest is great in pve atm.

“WE” ? You’re the only one saying that tempest is good. And we gave you argument explaining why its not the case. Not listening to reason and creating stupid conversation is the definition of troll.

Kidel.2057:

Please read other posts then. Are we all trolls? Tempest Ele is great in pve atm.

FTFY

If you want a defensive support you don’t have to spec in the worst spec line. Water + Arcana gives already so much support that dying in pve becomes a really challenging task. Speccing tempest doesn’t change that, ele support has always been remarkably strong.

Kidel.2057:

Yeah, try that in verdant brink against smokescales

Smokescales are just overpowered in general.

Either the damage/duration of their shadowstep combo attack of death needs to be toned down, or increase its cooldown.

I played all the eSpecs this last weekend, and though Tempest and Reaper felt fun to a point they were woefully underpowered in comparison to Chronomancer. I won’t even touch on Dragonhunter.