Guild Wars 2

Jsk.6180. You have been moving around the ele forums spreading A LOT of bad information, A LOT of terrible reasoning, and A LOT of really bad arguments. I was the first one to post the logical inconsistency of the tempest spec before it was released, just using the information given by the devs (it was since confirmed). Since you seem to require more education, allow me to go over this ONE MORE TIME.

You need to stay in an attunement for 5 seconds to overload. You need to channel the overload. If you leave the current attunement you get a longer attunement recharge (and if you don’t, you’re stuck in the same attunement – don’t get lost yet, I’ll explain why this is bad in a moment).

Are you with me so far? Ok, lets move on…

The aoe damage done during the overload channel is terrible. The damage done by the actual overload is terrible. Healing done by the water overload is terrible. So, by overloading we get…low aoe channel damage coupled with either terrible final damage or terrible healing. WONDERFUL!

However, if you continue to attunement dance (you know…just like devs pushed us to do since release?), we get higher damage AND higher healing, faster access to boons and boon sharing. So far tempest kinda looks pretty lame, right? But I guess if you’re heart is REALLY set on using a spec line that has ALL minors that ONLY buff overloading in the most miniscule way (one lets you overload, and the other two add swiftness and protection – can’t get swiftness and protection anywhere else…oh wait) coupled with majors which are extremely uninspired then I guess tempest is the elite spec for YOU!
And why for the love of God do we need a minor trait to allow us to overload and nothing else? Can’t the spec ITSELF give us the ability to overload without WASTING a minor on it as a baseline? I guess that would be too much to ask

Speaking of elites…Do you really want to go there Jsk.6180? Seriously? Lets not and just agree that its bad. I really don’t think you have any ground to stand on for that argument, although you really didn’t have any ground for the tempest spec itself and you seem to be trooping on like a good mindless soldier.

Back to the point though. It was destined to be a terrible spec when the spec is designed to force you to stay in one attunement and the class is designed to plan and use skills/attunements fast.

It was destined to fail when the entire balance of the class skills across ALL weapons and attunements are balanced against the other classes with lower damage and higher recharges for having four times the amount of skills per weapon set.

I’ve spent far more time on this post than I intended, but you’re constant white knighting is really annoying.

Snow White.1842:

Jsk.6180. You have been moving around the ele forums spreading A LOT of bad information, A LOT of terrible reasoning, and A LOT of really bad arguments. I was the first one to post the logical inconsistency of the tempest spec before it was released, just using the information given by the devs (it was since confirmed). Since you seem to require more education, allow me to go over this ONE MORE TIME.

You need to stay in an attunement for 5 seconds to overload. You need to channel the overload. If you leave the current attunement you get a longer attunement recharge (and if you don’t, you’re stuck in the same attunement – don’t get lost yet, I’ll explain why this is bad in a moment).

Are you with me so far? Ok, lets move on…

The aoe damage done during the overload channel is terrible. The damage done by the actual overload is terrible. Healing done by the water overload is terrible. So, by overloading we get…low aoe channel damage coupled with either terrible final damage or terrible healing. WONDERFUL!

However, if you continue to attunement dance (you know…just like devs pushed us to do since release?), we get higher damage AND higher healing, faster access to boons and boon sharing. So far tempest kinda looks pretty lame, right? But I guess if you’re heart is REALLY set on using a spec line that has ALL minors that ONLY buff overloading in the most miniscule way (one lets you overload, and the other two add swiftness and protection – can’t get swiftness and protection anywhere else…oh wait) coupled with majors which are extremely uninspired then I guess tempest is the elite spec for YOU!
And why for the love of God do we need a minor trait to allow us to overload and nothing else? Can’t the spec ITSELF give us the ability to overload without WASTING a minor on it as a baseline? I guess that would be too much to ask

Speaking of elites…Do you really want to go there Jsk.6180? Seriously? Lets not and just agree that its bad. I really don’t think you have any ground to stand on for that argument, although you really didn’t have any ground for the tempest spec itself and you seem to be trooping on like a good mindless soldier.

Back to the point though. It was destined to be a terrible spec when the spec is designed to force you to stay in one attunement and the class is designed to plan and use skills/attunements fast.

It was destined to fail when the entire balance of the class skills across ALL weapons and attunements are balanced against the other classes with lower damage and higher recharges for having four times the amount of skills per weapon set.

I’ve spent far more time on this post than I intended, but you’re constant white knighting is really annoying.

Right if there was no cost to use overlodes then why not use them all the time to no end?

Becuse being a support spec is all about the dmg right?
And support in this game is all about healing.

All added boons the ele giving it self as things stand you can nearly get perma protection on an ele with the overlode effect you can hit that perma protection level AND make it stronger.

You do understand you can use all of the ele’s past elites and skills its just an added chose you do not lose any thing for going down the tempest line but the line it self.

That the thing your not forces to do any thing you just have a chose to play it in that way or not with out giving up other ele effects. If you have a back up system or a back up set up you are not forces to use it you only use it as needed. Its out right silly to think you NEED to use something that you lost nothing for to have in the first places.

Your tricking your self into thinking tempest offers you nothing if you want more dmg you play ele if you want more support you play tempest. If you wanted tempest to do high dmg that WOULD be power creep and GW2/ these spec are not about that.

Sry you did not get your dps spec this time you will get it in time for now just keep playing as an ele and not a tempest if you feel that you need to be all in dmg to be a “good” ele player.

Wow. It is no wonder you just don’t understand what people are saying to you, and why you are completely mistaken and out in the left field.

Simply put. Tempest does NOTHING better than any other spec. It is not that it has a role anywhere and people are complaining. It is that it does not have a role ANYWHERE. It does NOTHING better than any other spec, no matter the combination by adding tempest you lose damage, healing, boon sharing, etc – and you gain nothing but the ability to throw a flashy channel skill without stability that is easily interrupted and has no built in ability to attempt to cover itself, ALL WHILE CLAIMING TO BE A FRONT LINE SPEC.

If there was even a slight niche role that tempest excelled at, there would be no cause to complain. Unfortunately, and this is also what you are gravely misunderstanding, it does not excel anywhere.

It doesn’t offer more support. I doesn’t offer anything better than any other combination of specs that does not include tempest.

To address overloads, again, the main problem is that the cost to use the overloads COMPLETELY out weighs not using them and just doing something else, anything else.
NO I don’t mean that they HAVE to be ALL ABOUT DPS. (You’re like a broken record, stating everyone wants the overloads to be dps. They don’t need to be dps, they need to be balanced so they are even worth casting against what you lose by using the stupid things, or even taking the entire functionally useless (by comparison to every other trait line) tempest trait line).

I think I’m going to completely dismiss any further arguments from you, as everyone else probably should do. As you plainly do not comprehend the problem and seem to believe that everyone else’s arguments are pigeon holed into making tempest a pure dps spec.

@ Snow White.1842
You really should not compare spec to spec only compare spec to the base spec. Your far better to talk about base spec compared to other base spec. I mean you could say a staff gurd dose less dmg then a glass d/d thf but it dose not mean any thing.

I am still not sure why tempest has worst boon sharing then ele.

I am not saying they are the best skills but when i talk its about the core of the class number are easy to be changed cd cast time effectiveness or heals even boon all can be buffed and nerfed. Its about the core ability and weapons that will defined tempest as a class. That is what going to keep tempest different from herald and play different from ele or all classes over all.

Snow White.1842:

And why for the love of God do we need a minor trait to allow us to overload and nothing else? Can’t the spec ITSELF give us the ability to overload without WASTING a minor on it as a baseline? I guess that would be too much to ask

I agree that this design decision is a waste of a minor trait, however this is actually true of all of the elite specializations so far.

The Great Al.2546:

Snow White.1842:

And why for the love of God do we need a minor trait to allow us to overload and nothing else? Can’t the spec ITSELF give us the ability to overload without WASTING a minor on it as a baseline? I guess that would be too much to ask

I agree that this design decision is a waste of a minor trait, however this is actually true of all of the elite specializations so far.

Yes its how they activate the elite spec options, nothing can be done about it I think.

It’s correct but why minor master and grandmaster are so unimaginative. They look like they were designed 1 hour before the stream. Merge them and design a new minor. This alone shows how much thoughts they put into tempest or rather how much thoughts they put into its last failed iteration. It’s mind boggling how anyone would consider that a ready product.

rotten.9753:

It’s correct but why minor master and grandmaster are so unimaginative. They look like they were designed 1 hour before the stream. Merge them and design a new minor. This alone shows how much thoughts they put into tempest or rather how much thoughts they put into its last failed iteration. It’s mind boggling how anyone would consider that a ready product.

I think its more of a byproduct of the the old traits system where you could have minor and not go comply down the full line. In a lot of ways you could remove all minor traits from all lines and just say this line get this when you go down it with out needing to chain it with 3 minors. So the balances is with the ideal that overloads give you swiftness and protection not that your getting the added effect of the 2 boons.

A completely new specialisation line suffers from the old trait system? Should I even respond to that?

Jski.6180:

@ Snow White.1842
You really should not compare spec to spec only compare spec to the base spec. Your far better to talk about base spec compared to other base spec. I mean you could say a staff gurd dose less dmg then a glass d/d thf but it dose not mean any thing.

You seem to misunderstand
Just to clarify for you. there is no “base spec” what your thinking of is “Profession” specs are the trait lines in a profession. So comparing specs with each other is talking about within the profession. the actual term for the tempest is “Elite specialization”

Argol Vazin.3061:

You seem to misunderstand
Just to clarify for you. there is no “base spec” what your thinking of is “Profession” specs are the trait lines in a profession. So comparing specs with each other is talking about within the profession. the actual term for the tempest is “Elite specialization”

It’s pointless, believe me.

Argol Vazin.3061:

Jski.6180:

@ Snow White.1842
You really should not compare spec to spec only compare spec to the base spec. Your far better to talk about base spec compared to other base spec. I mean you could say a staff gurd dose less dmg then a glass d/d thf but it dose not mean any thing.

You seem to misunderstand
Just to clarify for you. there is no “base spec” what your thinking of is “Profession” specs are the trait lines in a profession. So comparing specs with each other is talking about within the profession. the actual term for the tempest is “Elite specialization”

I was coming from the point of view that say Ele is what all other specialization from ele will be bast on making ele some what of a base specialization. So i imagine that every new spec for ele is going to be very related to having atuments in one way or another. So the elite specialization both remove and build on the existing classes making them more of a base but at the same time able to stand on the same level as elite specialization.

Jski.6180:

rotten.9753:

It’s correct but why minor master and grandmaster are so unimaginative. They look like they were designed 1 hour before the stream. Merge them and design a new minor. This alone shows how much thoughts they put into tempest or rather how much thoughts they put into its last failed iteration. It’s mind boggling how anyone would consider that a ready product.

I think its more of a byproduct of the the old traits system where you could have minor and not go comply down the full line. In a lot of ways you could remove all minor traits from all lines and just say this line get this when you go down it with out needing to chain it with 3 minors. So the balances is with the ideal that overloads give you swiftness and protection not that your getting the added effect of the 2 boons.

The only point of minor traits now seem to be while leveling, when it makes sense for some passive bonuses to be unlocked at certain tiers. I guess we’ll unlock the elite spec the same way but since they are locked until level 80 the setup doesn’t make any sense because you’ll unlock the whole thing in one go anyway.

The biggest offense of the tempest minor traits though is that they only specifically enhance the elite spec mechanic, nothing else. All the other elite specs have master and grandmaster minors that interact with the whole class.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Jski.6180:

rotten.9753:

It’s correct but why minor master and grandmaster are so unimaginative. They look like they were designed 1 hour before the stream. Merge them and design a new minor. This alone shows how much thoughts they put into tempest or rather how much thoughts they put into its last failed iteration. It’s mind boggling how anyone would consider that a ready product.

I think its more of a byproduct of the the old traits system where you could have minor and not go comply down the full line. In a lot of ways you could remove all minor traits from all lines and just say this line get this when you go down it with out needing to chain it with 3 minors. So the balances is with the ideal that overloads give you swiftness and protection not that your getting the added effect of the 2 boons.

The only point of minor traits now seem to be while leveling, when it makes sense for some passive bonuses to be unlocked at certain tiers. I guess we’ll unlock the elite spec the same way but since they are locked until level 80 the setup doesn’t make any sense because you’ll unlock the whole thing in one go anyway.

The biggest offense of the tempest minor traits though is that they only specifically enhance the elite spec mechanic, nothing else. All the other elite specs have master and grandmaster minors that interact with the whole class.

You could remove all minors traits from elite spec and just make going into that elite spec build in what the minor traits had though it would look odd and be a bit confusing. I think that why they are leaving the minors in for elite spec to keep things in a stander way of how it looks vs the other base “class” lines. So getting swiftness and protection from overloads are part of the overload effect not add ons that where last min put in.