Guild Wars 2

If im correct everyone has there own healing skills in this game.
there own choices in defense or offense, to mix and match what they need.

why does anet think we need support in this game at all, what for?

they watched too much league of legends lately?

And even if they did, everyone hates to play support there…
Just why?

you clearly know nothing about support

reikken.4961:

you clearly know nothing about support

Then enlighten me. Because i refuse to be a monk.

Going full support ele is borderline pointless, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that ele is a “support” class from. My burning speeds hit as hard as my thief’s backstabs do. Ele is definitely not solely support.

Talindra.4958:

well strong support makes a team stronger…

Yeah but how am i supposed to do that with a staff? stand on the sidelines and cast a few combos to give ppl some extra might?

i mean, if id be replaced for a guardian or warrior theyd get more dps out of them, so why get an ele ‘support’ at all. I just dont get it.

Quakeman.9378:

Going full support ele is borderline pointless, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that ele is a “support” class from. My burning speeds hit as hard as my thief’s backstabs do. Ele is definitely not solely support.

Simply said they didnt buff staff and the AoE im doing is just too low to be even considered good.

what other reason is there for a staff user except the forced into support?

ErazorZ.5209:

Quakeman.9378:

Going full support ele is borderline pointless, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that ele is a “support” class from. My burning speeds hit as hard as my thief’s backstabs do. Ele is definitely not solely support.

Simply said they didnt buff staff and the AoE im doing is just too low to be even considered good.

what other reason is there for a staff user except the forced into support?

OH my bad thought you were talking about ele in general. In WvW at least, I’ve only used staff in large groups with full zerker gear on simply for the massive aoe damage. Meteor storm hurts like hell when you have 100% crit dmg and around 3.2k attack. But- you die beyond fast. I do see your point though, staff is pretty weak. It is okay for supporting, but the good support skills are on uber long cds, so doesn’t work quite too well. Staff definitely has issues. However it is fun massacring large groups of people with meteor storm I have to say. I think staff was probably designed to be more of a support weapon, and I see how unsatisfied you are with being forced into that role, it’s pretty stupid in many ways.

Quakeman.9378:

ErazorZ.5209:

Quakeman.9378:

Going full support ele is borderline pointless, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that ele is a “support” class from. My burning speeds hit as hard as my thief’s backstabs do. Ele is definitely not solely support.

Simply said they didnt buff staff and the AoE im doing is just too low to be even considered good.

what other reason is there for a staff user except the forced into support?

OH my bad thought you were talking about ele in general. In WvW at least, I’ve only used staff in large groups with full zerker gear on simply for the massive aoe damage. Meteor storm hurts like hell when you have 100% crit dmg and around 3.2k attack. But- you die beyond fast. I do see your point though, staff is pretty weak. It is okay for supporting, but the good support skills are on uber long cds, so doesn’t work quite too well. Staff definitely has issues. However it is fun massacring large groups of people with meteor storm I have to say. I think staff was probably designed to be more of a support weapon, and I see how unsatisfied you are with being forced into that role, it’s pretty stupid in many ways.

meteor shower is the only skill used as a staff user to do dmg, but in wvw people can just walk around it, or not even being hit once since the entire ‘aoe’ isnt constant on the entire patch of ground you cast it on.

Staff achieves some of the highest dps in the entire game by camping 2 skills… please stop complaining about staff dps.

Player Character.9467:

Staff achieves some of the highest dps in the entire game by camping 2 skills… please stop complaining about staff dps.

Wich 2 skills are you talking about meteor shower and?..

Also what use is meteor shower if your not fully glass specced?
And if you are glass specced, what are you supposed to do after that cast?
die?
since there is nothing left for you to do, there is no quick combinations that make you do any OTHER decent type of damage, hell 1 on water probably has the lowest dps in the entire game.

You cannot run away because you are a slow class.
You cannot tank because you have no healthpool.
i dont get it? so we are supposed to just.. cast 5 all day long in the background?

And i also really wonder in what game mode your stating fire staff 5 has the highest DPS, because im 100% sure in wvw ppl just dont walk into it and if they do, they will get hit by maybe 1 meteor. its not an instant cast, instant kill. its not a fast paced dps with definite results, its a gimmicky slowcast spell to zone out ppl in wvw.

vs meta bosses it hits everything for sure, but what good is that when theres a zerg behind you anyway?

Talindra.4958:

guys it gives people who love to play staff a better option you dont have to play with if you dont like it. I personally like s/d ; d/d, d/f a lot more than staff.. but i do play staff when i need to in some situations. it really highly depends on player’s playstyle. not everyone can play the way you play your ele xD
i like to engage in action, some likes to stand further away to do their pew pew :P so u know its not a bad thing esp they improve the fast ground target thingy.. which i will try out and then provide my feedbacks later.

I am a sole staff user, ive mastered pretty much every skill to death on my staff since its the only thing i use to wvw, to dungeons, to metabosses and events, to running around in orr mining, pretty much everything. (this is because i used to use staff all day everyday in gw1 sentiment, playing spikey roles was the best!)

and i can tell you that my damage is nowhere near what hard tricks i try to pull of with constant might +6 close to any type of warrior dps.
I cant spike and i cant survive. So whats the point in trying?

In wvw i never get to actually kill someone cuz he just outruns me and my dps cant even come close to hitting something actually lethal.

If i chase beyond a tower i just…. die. to anything due to no survivability, since i have no health and no speed… even with the 1,5 faster speed thing it will most likely not get me anywhere further then .. those few meters further from the tower.

i just dont get it what im supposed to do anymore…

My warrior doesn’t hit remotely close to anything my ele outputs even unbuffed. Either you’re blind or bad at math, or possibly both.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

My warrior doesn’t hit remotely close to anything my ele outputs even unbuffed. Either you’re blind or bad at math, or possibly both.

can you screenshot that then?
because id LOVE to see an ele do more dps then a warrior.

both full zerker pls. no meteor shower afkers.
because srsly, full ascended ZERKER trinket make me hit 900/1700? with my 1.

and my cassuall warrior roommate actually NO ascended gear outdpses on any mob he comes across. with 2k/3k hits each. +100blades wich do about 10K dmg each time they can be activated, every 5 seconds.

And just FYI, ill beat you in ANY 1v1 ele vs ele match with staff. 100% sure.

Oh and i will report back after the patch has hit,
If ele actually has a surprisingly good few buffs (like conjure weapon buffing, throwing away and remaining to keep the buffs) added it might just tip me into believe anet does really care for the ele and wants to balance it instead of put it in a closet and forget about its entire fantasy lore existance.

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

Staff achieves some of the highest dps in the entire game by camping 2 skills… please stop complaining about staff dps.

Wich 2 skills are you talking about meteor shower and?..

Lava font & fireball already out dps anything else. Cast lava font on anybody downed especially if people are reviving for instant bags. Meteor is only for large pve targets or blobbed zergs making predictable movements.

ErazorZ.5209:

Also what use is meteor shower if your not fully glass specced?

What use is any damaging skill if you’re not fully glass specced? Same logic right there.

ErazorZ.5209:

And if you are glass specced, what are you supposed to do after that cast?
die?

You’re supposed to learn to live.

ErazorZ.5209:

hell 1 on water probably has the lowest dps in the entire game.

Why are you in water for anything other than heals and frozen ground which have longer cooldowns than the timer to go BACK to water after you switch off it?

ErazorZ.5209:

You cannot run away because you are a slow class.

You have swiftness, necros don’t, why are you complaining?

ErazorZ.5209:

You cannot tank because you have no healthpool.

So stop trying to tank in a game where the primary damage mitigation is not standing in front of Server _____’s stupid hammer train that charges in straight lines.

ErazorZ.5209:

And i also really wonder in what game mode your stating fire staff 5 has the highest DPS

i didn’t, ur just smoking something

they will get hit by maybe 1 meteor

ya, zergs running through doors totally only have 1 person get hit by 1 meteor and that’s ALL that it does

ErazorZ.5209:

zone out ppl in wvw.

and we all know ground control is such a weak thing to have, that’s why wells and marks aren’t used at all – oh wait nvm

ErazorZ.5209:

but what good is that when theres a zerg behind you anyway?

Why are you fighting somebody with a zerg coming up behind you? o.O

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

Staff achieves some of the highest dps in the entire game by camping 2 skills… please stop complaining about staff dps.

Wich 2 skills are you talking about meteor shower and?..

Also what use is meteor shower if your not fully glass specced?
And if you are glass specced, what are you supposed to do after that cast?
die?
since there is nothing left for you to do, there is no quick combinations that make you do any OTHER decent type of damage, hell 1 on water probably has the lowest dps in the entire game.

You cannot run away because you are a slow class.
You cannot tank because you have no healthpool.
i dont get it? so we are supposed to just.. cast 5 all day long in the background?

And i also really wonder in what game mode your stating fire staff 5 has the highest DPS, because im 100% sure in wvw ppl just dont walk into it and if they do, they will get hit by maybe 1 meteor. its not an instant cast, instant kill. its not a fast paced dps with definite results, its a gimmicky slowcast spell to zone out ppl in wvw.

vs meta bosses it hits everything for sure, but what good is that when theres a zerg behind you anyway?

Lava font & fireball already out dps anything else. Cast lava font on anybody downed especially if people are reviving for instant bags. Meteor is only for large pve targets or blobbed zergs making predictable movements.

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Guanglai Kangyi is right. You should scour his posts and find the lavafont build he made. It really does do fantastic damage. Problem for me is I normally LFG so I find myself actually succeeding more often by rolling my tried and true 0/20/0/20/30 staff build. But if you have a good group and the right gear, that staff build puts out really great damage.

To answer the OP’s question: If you run with the same group of people and they are all competent, then there isn’t a reason for more support (in PvE). If you run LFG like me, sometimes you have to carry alot more slack and you can’t do that if you are full glass and getting focused by the mobs.

In PvP, extra support = better bunkering. We all know how good bunkering is in a pvp game that encourages staying in one spot.

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

Pretty useless without timestamps.

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

Staff achieves some of the highest dps in the entire game by camping 2 skills… please stop complaining about staff dps.

Wich 2 skills are you talking about meteor shower and?..

Lava font & fireball already out dps anything else. Cast lava font on anybody downed especially if people are reviving for instant bags. Meteor is only for large pve targets or blobbed zergs making predictable movements.

ErazorZ.5209:

Also what use is meteor shower if your not fully glass specced?

What use is any damaging skill if you’re not fully glass specced? Same logic right there.

ErazorZ.5209:

And if you are glass specced, what are you supposed to do after that cast?
die?

You’re supposed to learn to live.

ErazorZ.5209:

hell 1 on water probably has the lowest dps in the entire game.

Why are you in water for anything other than heals and frozen ground which have longer cooldowns than the timer to go BACK to water after you switch off it?

ErazorZ.5209:

You cannot run away because you are a slow class.

You have swiftness, necros don’t, why are you complaining?

ErazorZ.5209:

You cannot tank because you have no healthpool.

So stop trying to tank in a game where the primary damage mitigation is not standing in front of Server _____’s stupid hammer train that charges in straight lines.

ErazorZ.5209:

And i also really wonder in what game mode your stating fire staff 5 has the highest DPS

i didn’t, ur just smoking something

they will get hit by maybe 1 meteor

ya, zergs running through doors totally only have 1 person get hit by 1 meteor and that’s ALL that it does

ErazorZ.5209:

zone out ppl in wvw.

and we all know ground control is such a weak thing to have, that’s why wells and marks aren’t used at all – oh wait nvm

ErazorZ.5209:

but what good is that when theres a zerg behind you anyway?

Why are you fighting somebody with a zerg coming up behind you? o.O

Just started tinkering a bit more with my traits, fact is and remains you cannot, have high damage output whilst having ANY survivability, wich also insta nullifies going glass cannon in the first place, traitwise.

your implying swiftness is anything worthwhile having when you cant outrun any class, im not a condi spamming class either with deathshroud. to have twice the life. or fear everything when i condi spam everything surrounding me whilst staying safe.

I either do massive dmg with 1 or 2 hits because thats howlong ill live vs anything with NO survivability or i dont do ANY damage at all to have the least survivability in pvp/wvw

In the end the elementalist if you want to actually be somewhat alive a LOW dps class. with NO survivability and NO health.

Right now im trying to think of the best Roaming staff build there is, but there just isnt enough dps or survivability.. its one or the other and both seem to not work to its full extent as other classes can.

also, who is so bad to stay in a fire field? or in a meteor shower… suddenly all taht ‘dps numbers gaming’, goes to 0 and your staff is still doing no dps.

There is no staying alive when you have no traits in healing.

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ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

I was mistaken however in the Dps department due to never having tested BAD traiting.

atleast, thats what id call it if your gonna die to the first deer your gonna aggro accidently.

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Very easily? last time i checked both of them required ATLEAST a cooldown of 45 seconds and 75 seconds, Yeah really good… roaming, and worst of all lightning flash (the kitten cooldown) doesnt break stun, and mist form only breaks stun when its cast not when being active. so 1 stun and your autogibbed 1 slow and your auto gibbed, hell, 1 full proc 100 blade and your dead.

ele in that sense for being SUCH a glasscannon should be able to 1 hit kill spike after doing an insane combo, of using all attunements, but ofcourse thats impossible if your full zerker cuz if you go out of precious fire, all your ‘attack’ is gone and worse, because your full zerker traited you cant even heal up if you dont get 1 hit.

Best you can do is CC and HOPE he doesnt have stunbreakers on him cuz then ur dead anyways

Erazorz stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

Wait, you’re qq’ing about getting roaming balanced? Why would you ever expect roaming 1v1 to be balanced?

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Was that some kind of bad joke? The mobility and stability king, the warrior, can run from anything.

And this is just mere survival not EVEN trying to 1v1 and kill the warrior.

Full glass cannon staff needs either a healing buff or an option to actually be safe whilst casting, like an armor of earth buff.

emikochan.8504:

Erazorz stop making excuses for your lack of skill.

there is 0 skill in running full glass cannon since 1 hit is dead.

Player Character.9467:

Wait, you’re qq’ing about getting roaming balanced? Why would you ever expect roaming 1v1 to be balanced?

i wouldnt expect it to be balanced i dont mind fighting someone 1v1 and needing MORE skill to actually kill someone, but sadly this is not the case. sadly there is SUCH a huge gap between ele and warrior that there is NO way to kill a warrior effectively EVER except if he doesnt know howto play ofcourse.

Avatara.1042:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Was that some kind of bad joke? The mobility and stability king, the warrior, can run from anything.

In wvw warrior is at melee range from the enemy zerg, the ele can easily sit up to 1200 range, they never have to frontline and are only that exposed if they suck at positioning. Also nobody is running away from you with a hammer.

Threads like this are why zergs with a dozen elementalists can melt the enemy zerg and then the matchup thread is filled with ‘omg you guys have so many necros’ cuz of course that’s where those aoes came from. Obviously that’s who was hitting you for 8-13k per meteor.

Player Character.9467:

Avatara.1042:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Was that some kind of bad joke? The mobility and stability king, the warrior, can run from anything.

In wvw warrior is at melee range from the enemy zerg, the ele can easily sit up to 1200 range, they never have to frontline and are only that exposed if they suck at positioning. Also nobody is running away from you with a hammer.

You are still completely wrong.

Player Character.9467:

Threads like this are why zergs with a dozen elementalists can melt the enemy zerg and then the matchup thread is filled with ‘omg you guys have so many necros’ cuz of course that’s where those aoes came from. Obviously that’s who was hitting you for 8-13k per meteor.

i laughed 8/13k per meteor in wvw? please.
also anyone thinking meteor shower looks even remotely to a condi, your forgetting that only ppl like you who Akitten meteor showers are hit that badly. (ppl who dont realise that a red circle with red firey balls is an actuall attack)

also if you have a zerg filled with eles just charge in and see them ALL flee due to NO defences. maybe arrowcart up and see them all drop like flies? idk..

Staff Ele support should be on par with Guardian support.

Cleansing conditions, granting boons to allies, area denial, etc.

Avatara.1042:

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Avatara.1042:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

just tested it out, its about 3k dmg with lavafont and fireball, 100blade is still higher dps…

Same runes, sigil, amulets/gems(zerker), both have fury. Warrior at full adrenaline running 30/0/0/10/30, ele running 30/20/10/10/0. Nobody else nearby because I just did this to help out your bad testing.

Oh and warrior had 2 more stacks of might (ele 2 blast finishers for 6 + fury, warrior fgj/signet).

so you relly on dying instantly when ANYTHING comes close to you, hence no reall speccing except full glascannon, wich means you will die before you even get your stuff out?

unlike a warrior going full zerk glass warrior etc. because ofcourse he has heavy armor + huge hp pool eventho hes going full glass.

Ele can mist form and lightning flash very easily, also throw static behind themself. Warrior can try to run and hope it isn’t cc’ed/soft cc’ed from getting back to friendlies.

Was that some kind of bad joke? The mobility and stability king, the warrior, can run from anything.

In wvw warrior is at melee range from the enemy zerg, the ele can easily sit up to 1200 range, they never have to frontline and are only that exposed if they suck at positioning. Also nobody is running away from you with a hammer.

You are still completely wrong.

You are still talking about a very specific spec of warrior, and running from a 1v1 against somebody without boon strip. D/d ele can outrun stun warrior, hell a properly speced SBow thief outruns the greatsword sword/warhorn ‘all i can do is run away so why do you have an issue with that anyway?’ warrior and if you have an issue with that warrior then you should have an issue with almost all thief builds as the class is 80% based on resetting fights until you’re still on cooldowns.

Oh sorry its better if you condi spam them with 1 necro cuz they will all go down aswell,
Or while we are at it, lets make thiefs d/p invisible bumrush them for insta kills..

if i ever cast a meteor shower and 1 person is hit he isntantly dodges out, and focus fires me since he knows im a low health target seeing the dmg the shower did. (and he knows what dodgerolling is)

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

Threads like this are why zergs with a dozen elementalists can melt the enemy zerg and then the matchup thread is filled with ‘omg you guys have so many necros’ cuz of course that’s where those aoes came from. Obviously that’s who was hitting you for 8-13k per meteor.

i laughed 8/13k per meteor in wvw? please.
also anyone thinking meteor shower looks even remotely to a condi, your forgetting that only ppl like you who Akitten meteor showers are hit that badly. (ppl who dont realise that a red circle with red firey balls is an actuall attack)

Plz ask CL what happened when they came to mag’s watergate, I’ll give you a hint, the fight lasted 2 seconds for their 30+ group.

ErazorZ.5209:

also if you have a zerg filled with eles just charge in and see them ALL flee due to NO defences. maybe arrowcart up and see them all drop like flies? idk..

filled? what, are you t8 and you have 15 people on the map? and you’re going to open field arrowcart (lol open field siege)? while people can drop aoes on you from 1200 range and just keep walking out of the incredibly visible red circles that intentionally give you enough time to walk out of them before anything happens?

Player Character.9467:

ErazorZ.5209:

Player Character.9467:

Threads like this are why zergs with a dozen elementalists can melt the enemy zerg and then the matchup thread is filled with ‘omg you guys have so many necros’ cuz of course that’s where those aoes came from. Obviously that’s who was hitting you for 8-13k per meteor.

i laughed 8/13k per meteor in wvw? please.
also anyone thinking meteor shower looks even remotely to a condi, your forgetting that only ppl like you who Akitten meteor showers are hit that badly. (ppl who dont realise that a red circle with red firey balls is an actuall attack)

Plz ask CL what happened when they came to mag’s watergate, I’ll give you a hint, the fight lasted 2 seconds for their 30+ group.

ErazorZ.5209:

also if you have a zerg filled with eles just charge in and see them ALL flee due to NO defences. maybe arrowcart up and see them all drop like flies? idk..

filled? what, are you t8 and you have 15 people on the map? and you’re going to open field arrowcart (lol open field siege)? while people can drop aoes on you from 1200 range and just keep walking out of the incredibly visible red circles that intentionally give you enough time to walk out of them before anything happens?

so all the eles died within 2 seconds because im pretty sure the casting time of meteor shower is like 3,75 sec
Also you cant, i repeat you CANT move when casting meteor shower. its a ZONING skill not a killing skill.

Um.. I think we’re getting off track here lol.
To answer the OP, support does thing like provide boons, clear conditions, (additional) cc’s, and reviving. Think bunker in pvp, may times when the berserker bursted our berserker, it often leaves them in the state of long cool down, rendering them less functional. And if the support can revive them every time, it’s a no win situation for the opposing.

Also I’m pretty sure most support build will use cleric, and that can be identify as a tanker stats, and any skills/attacks they take leave more room for the DPS to breathe.

Furthermore, some healing skills are better than the other, and some utility skills are better than the other. Like Guardian’s stability skill has a low cool down relative to elementalist’s stabilty skill. But ele has a trait that gives stability when attuned to earth. It’s not completely unfair, because guardian would have to trait their shout too.

Lol I started laughing when someone posted “roaming” + “staff ele”. Why would anyone roam with a staff when almost all staff skills are better used in zergs? The whole point of ele aoes is to force enemy zergs into lose/lose situations where they have to choose between more people dying, or ressing that nub on the floor, or building that particular ram and eating a full meteor + lava font.

there is 0 skill in running full glass cannon since 1 hit is dead.

The other guy must be as glass as you. So 1 hit him first?

ele in that sense for being SUCH a glasscannon should be able to 1 hit kill spike after doing an insane combo, of using all attunements,

You must have not have heard of s/d arcane burst builds which has been around for…a year.

Also you cant, i repeat you CANT move when casting meteor shower. its a ZONING skill not a killing skill.

so lightning flash.

ErazorZ.5209:

If im correct everyone has there own healing skills in this game.
there own choices in defense or offense, to mix and match what they need.

why does anet think we need support in this game at all, what for?

they watched too much league of legends lately?

And even if they did, everyone hates to play support there…
Just why?

I am gonna the rest of the post since there are many. Well. PRO! And they seems to know what they are talking about.

For starter, I hate staff ele. They are just too slow since I play PvE content most of the time unless I need badges.

Also you will be so glad to find that there are many players who will gladly play support thinking that they can keep the whole party alive. I am talking about PvE content here.

But to answer your question, I have seen many elementalist who play staff in wvw. I am not sure about pvp since the last I seen 1 is using d/d was a couple of months ago. Anyway as you stated, anybody can be in any role. The only support you need to do is ress and provide field.

This is my 2 cent about ele staff:
In wvw, you will probably will never see ele staff running alone. Even if they do, they probably has conjure weapon. The great things about staff ele is they have tons of combo field. Espcially water, dropping at the right location and if your guildies or servers know what to do. Everyone will spam blast on top of it and you will have team full hp in no time. Also don’t count on fire to deal massive damage. Their lava font is good in preventing ress and meteor is good for zoning since you drop 24 meteor in 3.75 sec in 360 degree. The area is prety decent but no way in hell you can count on this to chase away 30 players (unless the enemy guardian is too noob). You also great mechanic of escape which is air 4. But the downside is capped to 5 allies. And pls don think about running zerk gear withe ele stuff in wvw. It’s total waste unless you planning to head to frontline with conjure weapon. If not I recommend get full pvt.

However if you are ele and running dungeon with me, if you running with staff and has no conjure to compensate your lack of dps, I will be kitten sure to kick you out.

However if you are ele and running dungeon with me, if you running with staff and has no conjure to compensate your lack of dps, I will be kitten sure to kick you out.

Boy, you sound like a delight to play with.

And pls don think about running zerk gear withe ele stuff in wvw. It’s total waste unless you planning to head to frontline with conjure weapon. If not I recommend get full pvt.

So your recommendation is for full zerker eles to go frontline with a….conjured weapon? Where they’ll go toe to toe with hammer guardian/warriors? Okie I’ll try that.

ErazorZ.5209:

And just FYI, ill beat you in ANY 1v1 ele vs ele match with staff. 100% sure.

It’s a weapon optimized for group fights, not solo fights. So congrats on being able to beat a staff ele with a 1v1 build. No seriously, must be hard.

Jacks.5367:

However if you are ele and running dungeon with me, if you running with staff and has no conjure to compensate your lack of dps, I will be kitten sure to kick you out.

Good, because I don’t want to carry you. You obviously have a lot to learn about the game in general if you think dps is the ultimate answer. You sound like the dude that went all crazy on me because I dared to go for the gate controller on my staff ele, and then took 20 seconds instead of 10 to take it out. HOW DARE I?!

ThiBash, I love your sig!

ErazorZ, just because you haven’t learned how to be successful with a staff ele doesn’t mean the weapon/profession is broken.

I run full zerker gear + trinkets on my staff ele. I run dungeons. A lot. I am almost always in melee range of the bosses. How do I survive? I DODGE. I use fire 4 to EVADE and air 3 to INTERRUPT. I use FIELDS and FINISHERS when appropriate.

Play smarter and you can survive as a staff blastin’ glass cannon.

Cassiel.8762:

And pls don think about running zerk gear withe ele stuff in wvw. It’s total waste unless you planning to head to frontline with conjure weapon. If not I recommend get full pvt.

So your recommendation is for full zerker eles to go frontline with a….conjured weapon? Where they’ll go toe to toe with hammer guardian/warriors? Okie I’ll try that.

He also thinks staff eles can’t dps in dungeons, so… lol

Da Beetus.1275:

I run full zerker gear + trinkets on my staff ele. I run dungeons. A lot. I am almost always in melee range of the bosses. How do I survive? I DODGE. I use fire 4 to EVADE and air 3 to INTERRUPT. I use FIELDS and FINISHERS when appropriate.

Play smarter and you can survive as a staff blastin’ glass cannon.

Dungeons are not exactly difficult.

I’ll take some screenshots/make small videos of what MS does to groups in WvW when used properly tomorrow if there’s still doubt in this thread.

As far as the original post in this thread goes, every class has it’s strengths in some role over others. Ele simply fills the role of both DPS and heals in the form of combo’s the strongest out of the 8 classes. Anet felt the Support side of Ele’s could use some attention in line with quality of life improvements and, frankly, they’re right. If you see a few minor changes as a decision being made for you, you need to get more perspective on how this game works.

support as a role is almost pointless in this game… it was told we will have 3 different roles instead of classic tank/dmg/heal, it should have been dmg/support/control…

at this point, only dmg is always viable… control is viable if you have very good access to it and can shut someone down (warrior outshines everyone else here) or in big team fights (staff ele begins to be viable here)… but support? i dont see many points of full support build in this game, support is often misinterpreted as control, but thats not what it is, control is offensive and affect enemies, support is both offensive and defensive and affect allies… yes you can do some minor aoe heal, give some boons etc, but i cant imagine heavy support oriented build, which is viable in this game :/ support is only secondary mechanic here which adds some team benefit to dmg specced and balanced builds…

PS: one of the best support is heavy might stack, swiftness stack, fury stack, even protection or regen stack, but thats usually done by not-support specced players, thats only secondary effect of their build to be more team oriented

PPS: what ele need to be good support? easier way is elemental attunement trait and learn to stack might with scepter or dagger or stack swiftness with staff, thats almost all… if you want be more support oriented, maybe rock solid for stability or persisting flames for more fury… or aurashare build is what is probably the most support oriented build ele can achieve but dont forget that you cant live only with support, thats why support isnt a full-featured role