Guild Wars 2

Edit: Edited because many people were offended by the word “kids” and “learn to play”. When the first one was meant only to people who non stop complaining with topics “I quit, Ele sucks” and don’t even try to really play it or ask people and learn something about it.
The second one was literally and not meant to be offensive, like I’m doing right now, learning how to play more every day I play.

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I came here in the forums to post my sPvP video, which is nothing special and I’m not a high skilled player, but I made two PvP videos and wanted to share. Then I see so many posts and comments with “I quit” and “Ele sucks” on it.
Wtf is wrong with you guys?

I know that it’s not the right place to post videos, but I think it’s needed right now, since I’m really annoyed with this kind of attitude from some players who I prefer to call kids and I’m actually saying something in the topic too.

Quotes from some uninformed people who give up before trying:

“Im tired of getting heartseekered 5 times and dying. Getting hit by a hundred blades for half my health.”

“I’m done with this game now. I really love the elementalist, I really do. But I can’t stand how every other class just does what they can do, but do it better.” – The same guy who did this comment actually said that Elementalists are better in 5 vs 5 than WvW. Which they are good in both, but in WvW they are awesome with AOE skills.

When I first joined sPvP and got smashed by a Thief, it was ok, I was new and just having fun. Then 5 days later I still got smashed by some other Thief, and I was starting to think “Wtf this OP profession, he deals more damage than me and goes inv! Many times!” but I immediately realized “No, I’m not good enough to know”. And 3 days later after actually LEARNING HOW TO PLAY improving my skills and how the others professions works I was being able to handle them. To handle Rangers with shortbow, Mesmers (the best 1 vs 1 class IMO), Guardians with one trillion heals, Thief’s damage etc.

So here are the videos:

and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCsIj1pvCck (I don’t know why the links are separated like that).

Now, please, learn how to play improve your gameplay and knowledge at least a little bit before raging and discouraging people to make an Elementalist.

Sometimes you are just not good enough as you may think, have you ever watched American Idol?

To resume: If I can play Elementalist and do something with it, you can too. Now imagine professional players.

Elementalist is the most difficult profession to play >IN MY OPINION<, deal with it or quit (too offensive).

I actually agree with most of what you said there.
You have to udnerstand that most of these kids come from the cartoon MMO, you know the one that just introduced Kung-fu Panda.
Mages there were incredibly OP due to the fact the lead designer was humping that class every day.

Elementalists are nothing like that class, they need finesse and know how, not to mention some mental training to remember what does what and where it is located

Other then that, this has to be THE best way ever to put a video out to get some add revenue

I love my Elementalist and I am not changing what so ever, most of the complaints can be filed under whaaaaaaaaaawhwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I can’t 2 shot whaaaaaaaaaa.

I do dislike the 2222222222222 spamming thieves, but that’s ok, I am being just as annoying to everyone else, except I use like 50 spells in 10 sec.
pewpew Staff WvW/DD sPvP Elem <3

Actually, I imagine a lot of people complaining about the elementalist come from GW1, where elementalists were among the top tier when it came to spike damage. Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Thieves being GW2’s only resource-based spike class, they basically stole Elementalist’s spot. Meanwhile GW2 elementalist spike damage comes in the form of more skills to have on cooldown, which is just less satisfying for most people.

I don’t think it’s a GW1 nor WoW problem. People just don’t know how to deal with difficulties. I didn’t too, but I learned after playing many MMOs and using my brain.

They see someone doing beter and automatically think “Wow, this profession is OP” or “Man, my profession sucks” instead of, basically, “I suck, gotta learn”.

Husseini.7413:

I don’t think it’s a GW1 nor WoW problem. People just don’t know how to deal with difficulties. I didn’t too, but I learned after playing many MMOs and using my brain.

They see someone doing beter and automatically think “Wow, this profession is OP” or “Man, my profession sucks” instead of, basically, “I suck, gotta learn”.

Yeah too true, my first MMO was Ultima Online (pre trammel), now THAT was a steep learning curve. ( “Hey that player has a red name?” squish)

It just takes time, this game isnt press 1-2-3 like every other game, it’s more difficult, every situation has a different setup, well unless your a rogue and hit the number 2 over and over again for maximum DPS

Weirwynn.2390:

Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Whoh, whoh buddy. It’s called overcast now, gotta keep up with the times.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Overcast

Weirwynn.2390:

Actually, I imagine a lot of people complaining about the elementalist come from GW1, where elementalists were among the top tier when it came to spike damage. Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Thieves being GW2’s only resource-based spike class, they basically stole Elementalist’s spot. Meanwhile GW2 elementalist spike damage comes in the form of more skills to have on cooldown, which is just less satisfying for most people.

This is an interesting point. I haven’t played GW1 pvp but if the playstyle’s similar, I wonder if a lot of the whining in these forums is as easy as telling them to try a thief instead. I find that works with most people whining about the difference between GW1 and GW2 Mesmers. “If you want a condition spamming class, try necro instead” usually does the trick.

-_- seriously.
first fight ele vs ele and both terrabad.
second fight vs a ranger which starts out by throwing axes on auto attack on you for god knows how long then goes on with zero cc or any dodging at all..

third, worriar which is standing there RIGHT in front of you doing hb and missing completely while your standing still, then goes on to hit out into the air mostly in the opposite direction.

fourth vs a guardian that is build in a way which lets him die in no time flat without ANY dmg at all, htf he can even do that no idea….

how you dare to speak that people should l2p and stop whining i do not get …. .. .

this is just too stupid to even note more off.

To many noobs in first video. Using 100 blades or whirling wrath without CC is stupid, guardians didn’t use teleport and bane signet, warriors without ranged weapon etc, etc. Thats what happens when not bad ele player plays against noobs. Btw, warrior can kill ele just using rifle, 2 skills for ~7-8k damage each and short cooldown.

Shockwave.1230:

Weirwynn.2390:

Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Whoh, whoh buddy. It’s called overcast now, gotta keep up with the times.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Overcast

Technically, my post was in the past tense so it remains true :P You got me there though, I played GW1 back at launch and a couple times since then to do new PvE content, but I never had an elementalist that got very far. Wonder why they changed the name; overcast just makes me think of cloudy skies.

Sarelm.8317:

Weirwynn.2390:

Actually, I imagine a lot of people complaining about the elementalist come from GW1, where elementalists were among the top tier when it came to spike damage. Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Thieves being GW2’s only resource-based spike class, they basically stole Elementalist’s spot. Meanwhile GW2 elementalist spike damage comes in the form of more skills to have on cooldown, which is just less satisfying for most people.

This is an interesting point. I haven’t played GW1 pvp but if the playstyle’s similar, I wonder if a lot of the whining in these forums is as easy as telling them to try a thief instead. I find that works with most people whining about the difference between GW1 and GW2 Mesmers. “If you want a condition spamming class, try necro instead” usually does the trick.

Maybe, maybe not. GW1 Mesmers had conditions they could spam, yes, but they were also much more twitch-based, having many skills (interrupts) that had to be used during an opponent’s skill activation in order to interrupt the skill and do additional effects (extra cooldown, energy loss, damage, etc).

It was an understandable change with GW2, but having all of those boiled down to confusion and stun is a pretty big deal.

Erebus.7568:

how you dare to speak that people should l2p and stop whining i do not get …. .. .

this is just too stupid to even note more off.

This was about earning add revenue, and you gave him your 10cents, not about L2Play etc, lol.

Husseini.7413:

Wtf is wrong with you guys?

Helpful Hint: Calling people ‘kids’ and asking Wtf is wrong with them has never convinced anyone of anything. Not once.

Substantive Reply: Eles have the tools to be competent in the hands of a good player. That same good player would, in almost every circumstance, contribute far more to his team if he played a class that didn’t come out of the box with minimal survivability and didn’t take a half-dozen keypresses (and the associated time and cooldowns) to do anything useful.

Opinion: I like complex classes with difficult learning curves. The traditional tradeoffs for climbing that curve do not appear to exist. Given equal levels of player skill, most other classes will usually be better at darn near anything (with a few specific exceptions, most of them in WvW sieges).

For reference, my ele is 80 and all dressed in orange, except for my jewelry. If I didn’t consider WvW my favorite endgame, I’d have dumped him for my ranger or thief.

People would rather complain than learn.

The elementalist is a great class and a blast to play.

http://xkcd.com/1112/

I’m getting the feeling he might be reading these forums…

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Please, I posted a thread with tips for dungeoneering as an elementalist. And when some guy asked on one of the other threads, I gave him my entire PvP lineup.

EDIT: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/How-s-the-DPS-for-elementalist-Best-Mid-range/first#post211952

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Have you read this thread?

Are you really trying to bring reason and logic into this?

We’re all bad at playing elementalist because we’re WoW Kiddies! There’s no argument against that sort of factual evidence.

Where are we without reason and logic? I’ve never played WoW…. are you being sarcastic…. I’m a little confused by your post.

And Amnon…. I hadn’t meant to include you. Your only post in this topic befuddles me.

DaedalusDragon.3754:

Where are we without reason and logic? I’ve never played WoW…. are you being sarcastic…. I’m a little confused by your post.

And Amnon…. I hadn’t meant to include you. Your only post in this topic befuddles me.

My apologies then, I’ve just been arguing on pretty much every other “Elementalist is underpowered” thread that’s it’s hard to keep track. I don’t believe Eles are weak, I believe they simply take some more practice than others, and perhaps more nimble fingers.

If you master attunement switching, and know what each skill in each attunement does, you’ll be A-OK.

Very sarcastic, yes

Kreit.4709:

To many noobs in first video. Using 100 blades or whirling wrath without CC is stupid, guardians didn’t use teleport and bane signet, warriors without ranged weapon etc, etc. Thats what happens when not bad ele player plays against noobs. Btw, warrior can kill ele just using rifle, 2 skills for ~7-8k damage each and short cooldown.

Watching the necro spam epidemic in a 1v1, constantly applying vulnerability on himself made me want to bash my head against the wall. I swear the OP found the worst players to fight and cherry picked such encounters to make this ‘compilation’ video. That’s the problem with compilations: through editing they can selectively create any kind of representation they choose.

This wasn’t a skill show off and I told you that in the topic and video descritpion it was just to show that we are viable and some people complain for nothing. You don’t talk about skills in a Totalbiscuit video, do you? Because he’s just showing the game. I was just showing some skills and the build. If you can do better then good for you.

The video was against the best players I could find, they are the ones who last longer and gave me more fun. I lost only a few 1 vs 1 (really few) one warrior, two rangers and one mesmer (the same one in the video). I don’t have a team so I play pug games. There was much more 1 vs 1 to put in the video I just thought these were the best ones.

Maybe in your server there are better players and I bet you guys are much better, but I couldn’t find it in this one.

Erebus.7568:

-_- seriously.
first fight ele vs ele and both terrabad.
second fight vs a ranger which starts out by throwing axes on auto attack on you for god knows how long then goes on with zero cc or any dodging at all..

third, worriar which is standing there RIGHT in front of you doing hb and missing completely while your standing still, then goes on to hit out into the air mostly in the opposite direction.

fourth vs a guardian that is build in a way which lets him die in no time flat without ANY dmg at all, htf he can even do that no idea….

how you dare to speak that people should l2p and stop whining i do not get …. .. .

this is just too stupid to even note more off.

First of all I never said it was a skill show off, on the contrary, I said it wasn’t, and that there’s many people better, much better. But if these guys are complaining about how OP thiefs are etc. Then they don’t even know what I know, so the post is still valid. Imagine you a professional player showing off your skills then? They would never regret making an Elementalist. You obviously didn’t read the topic neither the video descritpion and jumped right away to call someone bad in the comments, clearly someone who likes to disagree and downvote people.

JoxerNL.3752:

Erebus.7568:

how you dare to speak that people should l2p and stop whining i do not get …. .. .

this is just too stupid to even note more off.

This was about earning add revenue, and you gave him your 10cents, not about L2Play etc, lol.

It’s such a moron comment, not only because I can’t get revenue from this kind of video, but because I didn’t even gave permission to youtube to place ads near it.

Amnon

http://xkcd.com/1112/

I’m getting the feeling he might be reading these forums…

That is great! And I guess you’re right… there are lots of people like that running wild in this forum (hi Erebus!)

I came here in this forum to see if folks needed help with playing their eles but all i see is 200 pages of crying of how bad it is and i got so disappointed.

This forum only makes me angry and frustrated of how stupid can people be. I don’t normally even use forums at all and now i got flasback of what was the reason for me to stop doing so.

Stay bad folks, over and out.

And then when you try to help, people start to arguing about your skills and how bad all your opponents were instead of giving tips and showing why they are better than you.

Well, some people liked it, so I’ll keep making videos as I play and get better.

Husseini.7413:

And then when you try to help, people start to arguing about your skills and how bad all your opponents were instead of giving tips and showing why they are better than you.

Well, some people liked it, so I’ll keep making videos as I play and get better.

Tbh to be fair neither did you, all you said was watch this kitten and learn to play. So the only thing to discuss is how you played and who you fought.

I just left a long-winded and semi-trollish post in another thread lambasting the “L2P WoW kiddies” crowd that can be seen all over this forum, but that is not to say I disagree with Husseini here.

Those saying “I quit, this class blows” are equally annoying as the “L2P” crowd, if not moreso. The Ele class is quite powerful, nuanced in how it plays, and I enjoy it very much. That is not to say it is perfect however, and doesn’t deserve any developer attention (mostly in the area of bug fixes, targetting w/ RTL, etc.).

I think a lot of the whining can be attributed to the less enthusiastic ele player not realizing how to utilize the different attunements. I know for the first 50 or so levels I almost exclusively used staff fire after unlocking all the weapon skills. Fire and Staff are still my favorites but I spent the rest of the levels up to 80 really getting to know the other attunements and weapons, where their strengths and weaknesses were. Pyro at Heart though!

Where do all these “l2p” folks get this notion from that Elementalist is some kind of ELITE profession that not everyone should be able to play with? Why the hell not? Why are Mesmers allowed to perform well at average level then? They are just as “hard to master” as Elementalists are. Why shouldn’t an average player be able to pick it up and play it just like any other? Seriously. If you want some additional personal challenge – go PvP with no gear. Average players should not be subjected to per-determined dis-balance in gameplay.

Op you are very rude, so i am not going to be nice here.
You video is really bad, they have no idea what they are doing, and you are not doing much better. It does not convence anyone in anyway, it just explained that there are people who do not know what to do and you can take advantage over them.

I think this thread and most other has forgot one thing, the game is built for fun and entertainment, does it really matter wether ele is powerful or not? If it gets people the fun gameplay, then it is ok to be suck ( which i believe it is also the reason why there is still ele around ). For me, I die a lot when I play ele, but i am ok with it. You may say i am not doing it right, but THIS IS A GAME, I HAD FUN, so I am ok with it.

I believe this same thing should apply to you, be a good ele does not rewards you anything for real, you do not need to prove anything, anyone had fun with ele should keep their ele, anyone not feel that way should re-roll or quite. WASTE YOUR TIME ON SOMETHING YOU DO NOT LIKE MAKE NO SENCE.

short version: If you like ele and have fun, keep it. Otherwise quite or Re-Roll, Anet most likely not going to fix it soon if at all.

Weirwynn.2390:

Actually, I imagine a lot of people complaining about the elementalist come from GW1, where elementalists were among the top tier when it came to spike damage. Their class mechanics involved huge pools of energy and ‘exhaustion’ which temporarily lost you max energy for some of the more powerful spells.

Thieves being GW2’s only resource-based spike class, they basically stole Elementalist’s spot. Meanwhile GW2 elementalist spike damage comes in the form of more skills to have on cooldown, which is just less satisfying for most people.

No man, I’m a GW1 ele and I’m “fighting” to make sure Anet doesn’t repeat the mistake of GW1 where we ended up having brainless KD/invoke spammers everywhere, seriously no …the ele KD earth spammer was so stupid and the invoke spike team 1-2-3 invoke/lightning bolt….pls no.

If anything the complainers have simply used a wizard nuker untill now

Why you guys focus so much in “learn to play” which was not meant to be offensive at all and the word “kids”, because they never stop complaining and discouraging people to even play the game?

I edited the post so you guys don’t feel offended anymore.

Bsquared.3421:

I just left a long-winded and semi-trollish post in another thread lambasting the “L2P WoW kiddies” crowd that can be seen all over this forum, but that is not to say I disagree with Husseini here.

Never said “L2P WoW kiddies”. The “learn to play” wasn’t offensive AT ALL. I even said at some point “then instead of raging I learned how to play and get better”. Btw, learning how to play doesn’t mean be the best player in the world, just at least don’t die every single time I thief target you. And you guys are focusing way too much in the word “kid”, I just said that I’ll call people who only complain and don’t even try to get better kids, because they are taking the fun from others by complaining nonstop in the forums.

And where you see me talking about WoW in the post? :\

XodoK.8734:

Where do all these “l2p” folks get this notion from that Elementalist is some kind of ELITE profession that not everyone should be able to play with? Why the hell not? Why are Mesmers allowed to perform well at average level then? They are just as “hard to master” as Elementalists are.

First of all, I didn’t said “L2P” I said “learn to play” which I meant literally, and for the people who are just complaining and don’t even know what traits they are using.

Secondly IN MY OPINION Elementalist is the most difficult class to play with. It’s not just my opinion. I’m not saying the other professions are easy, but Elementalist is the hardest one.

Veenix.5248:

Husseini.7413:

And then when you try to help, people start to arguing about your skills and how bad all your opponents were instead of giving tips and showing why they are better than you.

Well, some people liked it, so I’ll keep making videos as I play and get better.

Tbh to be fair neither did you, all you said was watch this kitten and learn to play. So the only thing to discuss is how you played and who you fought.

I don’t think I did. The “learn to play” was not meant to be offensive. Otherwise I would never have said “If I can play Elementalist and do something with it, you can too. Now imagine professional players.” And in the video description “Did many improvements, my build is 200% better, still not used to use elite skills” bla bla bla.

What’s wrong with you people? I was just trying to show to the people having problem with the class that it’s normal and if you keep playing you are going to see how wrong you were. That’s all I trully meant.

Husseini.7413:

Never said “L2P WoW kiddies”. The “learn to play” wasn’t offensive AT ALL. I even said at some point “then instead of raging I learned how to play and get better”. Btw, learning how to play doesn’t mean be the best player in the world, just at least don’t die every single time I thief target you. And you guys are focusing way too much in the word “kid”, I just said that I’ll call people who only complain and don’t even try to get better kids, because they are taking the fun from others by complaining nonstop in the forums.

And where you see me talking about WoW in the post? :\

I apologize, cause my post didn’t make it clear, but my post wasn’t necessarily directed at you Husseini.

But make no mistake, there are a plethora of folks on this board who use “L2P WoW kiddies” everytime someone offers an opinion that the class could use some developer love…

What’s wrong with you people? I was just trying to show to the people having problem with the class that it’s normal and if you keep playing you are going to see how wrong you were. That’s all I trully meant.

I completely agree with this sentiment and basically share in your experience. First go ‘round I got wiped ridiculously fast. Went out and learned some more weapon combo’s, tried out D/D and S/D (rather than staff), moved around some hotkeys (and invested in a G700 mouse, on sale at Bestbuy for $59.99, free advertising!!) read the wikipage on others classes skills, etc., and found I did a lot better (huh, imagine that?!?).

The “I quit, this class blows” crowd will never make that kind of effort and consequently will never achieve the desired results. But I’m not so egocentric to sit on this message board and belittle those voicing legitimate concerns about the class (not that you were necessarily doing so either, this comment is directed at others).

Bsquared.3421:

Husseini.7413:

Never said “L2P WoW kiddies”. The “learn to play” wasn’t offensive AT ALL. I even said at some point “then instead of raging I learned how to play and get better”. Btw, learning how to play doesn’t mean be the best player in the world, just at least don’t die every single time I thief target you. And you guys are focusing way too much in the word “kid”, I just said that I’ll call people who only complain and don’t even try to get better kids, because they are taking the fun from others by complaining nonstop in the forums.

And where you see me talking about WoW in the post? :\

I apologize, cause my post didn’t make it clear, but my post wasn’t necessarily directed at you Husseini.

But make no mistake, there are a plethora of folks on this board who use “L2P WoW kiddies” everytime someone offers an opinion that the class could use some developer love…

No doubt, the first comment here did that, hahaha. Sorry if I misunderstood you, many people called me that and said focused in the “learn to play” phrase in the post.

And indeed, many people are egocentric like some of the comments in here. I never tried to be egocentric in the post but some people saw it. It’s hard to choose the right words to show what you are really thinking through the computer, mainly if english is not your native language.

many people called me that and said focused in the “learn to play” phrase in the post.

I try to avoid the dreaded “learn to play” phrase when giving advice to people on gaming forums cause it evokes the “L2P noob” thought from folks who hear it like akittenPavlovian dog whistle.

Try “practice with the class,” or “analyze your strategy,” etc., because it makes them think that perhaps they could be doing better rather than evoking the feeling like their being insulted, even if that is not your intention.

mainly if english is not your native language.

what?!? English is not your native language, what are you doing on our forums then?!?

/gasp

:)

Husseini.7413:

Why you guys focus so much in “learn to play” which was not meant to be offensive at all and the word “kids”, because they never stop complaining and discouraging people to even play the game?

When you are ~30 yo guy and some forum paladin calls you “kid” – this is offense. Not only kids can be dissatisfied.
As for elementalist: I like elemental mages, elementalist play style, but… but he is terrible. Terrible survivability (or damage in survival spec), more terrible auto-attack and even more terrible downed state. Plus huge cooldowns for main weapon skills (other classes have ~10 seconds, but not 30-40) and weapon range stuck in combat (pain for d/d spec), because some “smart” guy made conjured weapon with charges, and thats strange (engineer’s kits are more powerful and without cooldown).
Some ppl like elementalist as he is now… and some ppl like pain (they called masochists).

I’m more sadistic than masochistic and still enjoy the Elementalist!

Bsquared.3421:

many people called me that and said focused in the “learn to play” phrase in the post.

I try to avoid the dreaded “learn to play” phrase when giving advice to people on gaming forums cause it evokes the “L2P noob” thought from folks who hear it like akittenPavlovian dog whistle.

Try “practice with the class,” or “analyze your strategy,” etc., because it makes them think that perhaps they could be doing better rather than evoking the feeling like their being insulted, even if that is not your intention.

mainly if english is not your native language.

what?!? English is not your native language, what are you doing on our forums then?!?

/gasp

:)

Hahaha, thanks, yep I’ll avoid using it because some ppl really got mad at it o.o

Kreit.4709:

Husseini.7413:

Why you guys focus so much in “learn to play” which was not meant to be offensive at all and the word “kids”, because they never stop complaining and discouraging people to even play the game?

When you are ~30 yo guy and some forum paladin calls you “kid” – this is offense. Not only kids can be dissatisfied.
As for elementalist: I like elemental mages, elementalist play style, but… but he is terrible. Terrible survivability (or damage in survival spec), more terrible auto-attack and even more terrible downed state. Plus huge cooldowns for main weapon skills (other classes have ~10 seconds, but not 30-40) and weapon range stuck in combat (pain for d/d spec), because some “smart” guy made conjured weapon with charges, and thats strange (engineer’s kits are more powerful and without cooldown).
Some ppl like elementalist as he is now… and some ppl like pain (they called masochists).

Yeah I changed it, I just meant to people who are being annoying and rude in the forums, not to the guys who are only in doubt about the class.

I’m really liking Elementalists as they are right now, still need to play some tournaments to maybe change my mind.

Playing tournaments won’t change your mind. If you like elementalist gameplay — and I do, too — you’ll like it there, too.

What might change your mind? Play another class to high level, gear them up and notice the power gaps in many situations. Anyone with the skill and time to get good at ele’s could become great with a more capable class. Ele’s don’t have a higher ceiling. Ele’s have a lower floor.

Wow, that video was something.. especially the warrior trying to HB with no stun/KB setup.

I don’t really think beating bad players makes the point you were looking to make.

I think i know you husseini from games of worst quality,could be wrong though at least you got the same temper…

and ele is not completely broken as people like to say but between a kitten downed state and lackluster elite skills we sure got some issues and Oghier is rigth try other class,ele feels like some kind of handicap mode compared to most of then…

You have to admit, heartseeker is a bit imba in PVP regardless of any ele problems like magnetic grasp locking you up when you hit an anthill.